[Matt]

He's got a good voice, no doubt about that, but as Red says, I dislike his style.

[CassetteFinger]

Originally posted by Red Moon

But does he have the best singing style?

Yeah its different and he sounds good.

[Captain.Remy]

It's different because we haven't listen something like that before but after all, the X Factor is all about revealing new talents and new styles.

[Red Moon]

The X Factor is a talent show contested by aspiring pop singers. When was opera pop music?

Well, you have to go back to the 19th century and in particular the last part of 19th century century and then I think you would find it starting to compete against the popular music of the musical halls and losing.

Well done to Rhydian for bring the style to the masses but I beg to differ that his style of music is what the X Factor is about.

[Redmond]

Opera sells a lot, it's not my personal taste but I don't see why X Factor shouldn't cater for that taste. It's boring X-Factor because most of the acts are too similar, all singing safe songs, all have their half-arsed sob stories and fall nicely into that 'pop music' category which is just plain dull, that's why I've never watched this show fully before, but Rhydian is something different, he definitely can sing but also he's an all round showman, he can put on a great performance as well as sing. Nikki has a good voice but what else? A stupid sob story, I don't see how you could market her, Rhydian falls right into a specific market one that X Factor doesn't usually cater for so he would be an interesting winner. And then the only other good singer is Beverly.

The rest are crap really, they're the type of singers that if you saw in a pub on the karaoke machine you'd probably say "they have an alright voice"..but you wouldn't say "I NEED to hear more of this person, they NEED to make albums!". They're just alright singers, nothing special to them.

[MarkWaldorf]

G4 were opera based and went on to sell quite a lot of records.

[XxShortyxX]

At the end if the day, they can't edit him to make him look argant and big headed, he does that all by himself with what he says, he thinks he is god's gift, he is with out any doubt the best male singer, but I think Niki is better then him, plus she has a nicer personality.

[Mrluvaluva]

Rhydian is nauseating. He only has 1 style, and that is for appearing in musicals. He would be great in "The Phantom of the Opera" or something like that. He does not have the X-Factor and I really cannot see him winning the competition at all.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by BigBrothersLittlePod
Opera sells a lot, it's not my personal taste but I don't see why X Factor shouldn't cater for that taste.

The problem with that is it opens up all kinds bags of worms. We could end up with Country Singers, Jazz Singers, Tribal Singers, Folk Singers and so on. Eventually the show degrades to a simple singing talent show rather than a search for the next popular star.

Originally posted by XxShortyxX
At the end if the day, they can't edit him to make him look argant and big headed, he does that all by himself with what he says, he thinks he is god's gift, he is with out any doubt the best male singer, but I think Niki is better then him, plus she has a nicer personality.

I must agree he said the things they showed us. It a typical case of someone seeing themselves on the small screen and not liking what they saw.

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Rhydian is nauseating. He only has 1 style, and that is for appearing in musicals. He would be great in "The Phantom of the Opera" or something like that. He does not have the X-Factor and I really cannot see him winning the competition at all.

He can't win the show because he sings the wrong style of music for the show. I can see him going far but his not really a X Factor contestant as such. He not what they are really looking for.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Red Moon

The problem with that is it opens up all kinds bags of worms. We could end up with Country Singers, Jazz Singers, Tribal Singers, Folk Singers and so on. Eventually the show degrades to a simple singing talent show rather than a search for the next popular star.

But don't you think it's good sometimes to meet some new talents, new styles except the same boring pop star singers who sell only because of the teenagers ?
It would be good to see someone with a different musical universe winning instead of having the same type of young, pretty, nice and boring winners.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by sunshine30
But don't you think it's good sometimes to meet some new talents, new styles except the same boring pop star singers who sell only because of the teenagers ?
It would be good to see someone with a different musical universe winning instead of having the same type of young, pretty, nice and boring winners.

But aren't there other shows out there for that. For example Rhydian could have auditioned for one of the Musical type talent shows or Britains' got Talent and I'm sure if he had waited long enough a Opera talent show would have come along.

I trying to think back to when he joined the show, didn't he say he could sing other types of music other than Opera and he wanted to do the show to prove that? If he did he hasn't proved it yet. He is still singing Opera arrangements of popular songs.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Red Moon
But aren't there other shows out there for that. For example Rhydian could have auditioned for one of the Musical type talent shows or Britains' got Talent and I'm sure if he had waited long enough a Opera talent show would have come along.

I trying to think back to when he joined the show, didn't he say he could sing other types of music other than Opera and he wanted to do the show to prove that? If he did he hasn't proved it yet. He is still singing Opera arrangements of popular songs.

So for you, the X Factor is only about nice and dull pop singer who will sing only for teenagers between 10 and 15 y-o ? That's a special point of view but why not.
I always thought that some shows like the X Factor can bring new universes, new styles and not to repeat the same thing all the time.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by sunshine30
So for you, the X Factor is only about nice and dull pop singer who will sing only for teenagers between 10 and 15 y-o ? That's a special point of view but why not.

I always thought that some shows like the X Factor can bring new universes, new styles and not to repeat the same thing all the time.

I would say there is enough variation within popular music to find new talent the show is looking for.

Ultimately the show isn't about finding people with particular styles. If it was then people would be able to sing what they like and we wouldn't have the themes each week. What it is about is finding all round singers that can then be given original material that suits their voice best while allowing them to develop their own style.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Red Moon

I would say there is enough variation within popular music to find new talent the show is looking for.

Ultimately the show isn't about finding people with particular styles. If it was then people would be able to sing what they like and we wouldn't have the themes each week. What it is about is finding all round singers that can then be given original material that suits their voice best while allowing them to develop their own style.

But an artist is someone who has his/her own universe and style. It's like an athlete, do you imagine an athlete who practices football, practicing swimming just for the public ? That's not possible.
Some people are umcortable about singing something they aren't like, Rhydian recognises himself in opera, so why he should sing something else ?

[Redmond]

Originally posted by XxShortyxX
At the end if the day, they can't edit him to make him look argant and big headed, he does that all by himself with what he says, he thinks he is god's gift, he is with out any doubt the best male singer, but I think Niki is better then him, plus she has a nicer personality.

Well you have little understanding of how television works then. Since the live show has started have you heard Rhydian say anything too arrogant? Has he said anything different from what the other contestants have said? The answer is No. Sharon tried to embarrass him the first week by getting him to show his chest, but he took it well, said he'd take the judges comments on board and that was it, pretty much how everyone else acted. Same this week. If you want to see a cocky contestant then look at Emily who started back-chatting Simon this week.

And this is how editing works, as said by Charlie Brooker in his Guardian article this week:

The producer asks Rhydian, "Do you think you could be as big as Michael Jackson?"
Rhydian says..."Yes"
Then the producer says, "Okay but can you make that into a sentence?"
Rhydian then says, "I think I can be bigger than Michael Jackson". And then they only show that last line.


And to Red Moon who thinks there is variation on this show then you must be watching something different. Everyone one of those acts apart from Rhydian and Same Difference are all practically carbon copies of each other and of past contestants. Same dull pop songs, "I Will Survive" and "If You Don't Know Me By Now", nothing special at all, no variation, just a bunch of over-hyped pub singers.

[XxShortyxX]

Actually, before the live shows he was bery arragant, and very big headed, that's why so people don't like him.

[Mrluvaluva]

Pass me the shotgun.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : BigBrothersLittlePod
And to Red Moon who thinks there is variation on this show then you must be watching something different. Everyone one of those acts apart from Rhydian and Same Difference are all practically carbon copies of each other and of past contestants. Same dull pop songs, "I Will Survive" and "If You Don't Know Me By Now", nothing special at all, no variation, just a bunch of over-hyped pub singers.

Thanks for that, Rhydian brings novelty and a new musical universe. The others are all the same. It's time to shake it up and to discover some new talents.

[12bigbrother12]

From now on im going to call Rhydian a new name, Rhidiot

[Mrluvaluva]

Rhydiannoying.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Mrluvaluva
Rhydiannoying.

You are so mean, you can't deny that he has a great voice and a true talent. Not like the *cough* cheesy Same Difference or *cough* Alisha.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by sunshine30

You are so mean, you can't deny that he has a great voice and a true talent. Not like the *cough* cheesy Same Difference or *cough* Alisha.

As I said, he would be great in a musical. He is very theatrical. I just don't like him and I cannot stand Same Difference either. They are like 90's manufactured rubbish and are so out of date. I cannot see Rydian winning and having a charting record. Why is that mean?

[Wasted]

Mrluvaluva has a point, Rhydian is one of my favourites but I know I will never be buying any of his records if he releases any. I support him because he does have a great voice and the standards this year are very poor. None of them are appealing to me, and opera doesn't appeal to me.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by sunshine30
But an artist is someone who has his/her own universe and style. It's like an athlete, do you imagine an athlete who practices football, practicing swimming just for the public ? That's not possible.

Some people are umcortable about singing something they aren't like, Rhydian recognises himself in opera, so why he should sing something else ?

These people aren't artists yet. They are raw talent that the show hopes to mould into artists after the end of the show if they win by giving them a recording contract and the facilities to become an artist in there own right.

If they were artist already they would be allowed to sing what they liked each week and which would include original material. They are nothing more than apprentices who are being coached and taught the art of performance.

As for Rhydian, I can't wait to he sings something else other than songs rearranged for his operatic voice. He has a fine voice, a lot of stage presence and probably the best male singer in the competition by miles. The problem I have with him in this show is that the show wasn't designed originally for classically trained singers and I think he will have limited success in the the pop world.

Originally posted by BigBrothersLittlePod
And to Red Moon who thinks there is variation on this show then you must be watching something different. Everyone one of those acts apart from Rhydian and Same Difference are all practically carbon copies of each other and of past contestants. Same dull pop songs, "I Will Survive" and "If You Don't Know Me By Now", nothing special at all, no variation, just a bunch of over-hyped pub singers.

I can assure you I'm watching the same show as everyone else.

The Singers don't pick the pop songs or the themes of each show. They are picked in the case of the songs by the Judges and in the case of the themes by the Producers. Yes a lot of the singers do sound the same and a lot of them are rubbish too, but that is the sound the Judges are looking for and that is why they picked them. If you had very different Judges then you might get a different group of singers.

But remember that the Judges are looking for are singers which might have popular appeal and just like the charts which is full of similar sounding songs like Leona's new single the X Factor is full of people that sing in a similar way. They are not looking for original artists just good singers which will get them a return on the million pound recording contract.

Unfortunately dull pop songs are popular just look at the number one song this week.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Mrluvaluva

As I said, he would be great in a musical. He is very theatrical. I just don't like him and I cannot stand Same Difference either. They are like 90's manufactured rubbish and are so out of date. I cannot see Rydian winning and having a charting record. Why is that mean?

That was a joke ! But calling him annoying is a little bit too stronger. I didn't say he should win but he shouldn't be slagged off only because he's not a boring and dull pop singer. He's different and he's a true artist.