[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Jewish lobby groups exist and do their lobbying. How stating that is antisemitic?

Oops you didn't even use 'Israel lobby' there

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Oops you didn't even use 'Israel lobby' there

Bc their attitude to Israeli government policies is varied so they cant be described as israel lobby.

I looked up the term to understand your reservations. I see some see it as antisemitic
So I quote a defence of it
In a 2004 speech, Goldberg said, "There has been an awful lot of talk in the last few years about the rise of the Jewish lobby and the influence of the Jewish lobby. It used to be that you couldn't talk about this sort of thing. When I wrote [the book] Jewish Power in 1996... I was accused by various Jewish lobbyists of inflating and buying into the old myths of international Jewish conspiracies simply by the use of the title."[4] Goldberg disagrees with the sensitivity towards the use of the term, arguing that: "There is such a thing as a Jewish lobby, that the network of organizations that works together to put across what might be called the Jewish community's view on world affairs is not insignificant, it's not an invention, but it is not some sort of all-powerful octopus that it's sometimes portrayed as these days."[4] Mearsheimer and Walt wrote in 2006 that "even the Israeli media refer to America's 'Jewish Lobby'",[21] and stated the following year that "AIPAC and the Conference of Presidents and the Israeli media themselves refer to America's 'Jewish Lobby'."[22]
Wikipedia

[Tom4784]

It's easy to focus on whispers about an enemy then confronting an issue in your backyard. There was a quote that Reaper posted recently from a Rabbi which basically said that focusing on the left allows far right extremism, that can and has affected jews, to thrive.

I personally think Corbyn needs to step down because he's damaged goods at this point and the boomers are doing their typical thing of believing their feelings over facts. I don't think Labour can win under Corbyn but a lot of the character assassination that has taken place against him from people who brush racism on their own side under the rug.

If there is actual evidence of Corbyn being anti-semitic then crucify him for it but at the moment, it just seems like it's the machine in action, the same machine that convinced people to vote against their own interests, that's slowly making out that the NHS is a failing industry in order to sow seeds for privatisation etc.

[Twosugars]

Speaking of terrorism, I had a further look at various groups, prompted by MTVN posts.

Have you all heard of Irgun? Many later prominent Israeli politicians like Begin or Shamir belonged to it and it waged military and terrorist fight for Israel's independence

Two of the operations for which the Irgun is best known are the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946 and the Deir Yassin massacre, carried out together with Lehi on 9 April 1948.

The Irgun has been viewed as a terrorist organization or organization which carried out terrorist acts.[3][4][5][6] Specifically the organization "committed acts of terrorism and assassination against the British, whom it regarded as illegal occupiers, and it was also violently anti-Arab" according to the Encyclopćdia Britannica.[7] In particular the Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by the United Nations, British, and United States governments; in media such as The New York Times newspaper;[8][9] as well as by the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry,[10][11] the 1946 Zionist Congress[12] and the Jewish Agency.[13]
Wikipedia

[arista]

[Twosugars]

IDS, an architect of universal credit, responsible for human misery across the land.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

IDS, an architect of universal credit, responsible for human misery across the land.

Can that Lady beat him?

[Twosugars]

A good post, TSR. agree fully.

[arista]

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by arista

Seriously hoping she loses her job.

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Seriously hoping she loses her job.

She could
be gone as a MP


She is Leader
of Change UK Indie Group
only 3 of or less MP's in that failed group

[Twosugars]

Seriously hoping she keeps her job. Or remains a prominent voice in different capacity. A courageous and thoughtful politician

[The Slim Reaper]

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/op...-corbyn/07/11/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the slim reaper

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Seriously hoping she keeps her job. Or remains a prominent voice in different capacity. A courageous and thoughtful politician

Sure
but she is on the wrong side of the Referendum Vote
so has every chance of going , sadly.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure
but she is on the wrong side of the Referendum Vote
so has every chance of going , sadly.

Wrong side? Then half the country should go too?

So cocky bc of 1.9% majority. Won't do you any good

[arista]

John Woodcock MP and Ian Austin MP
former Labour MP's say they both will be voting for
Boris Johnson.

Ch4HD news reported

So 2 Ex Labour MP's
are voting Conservative.

Ian is on Ch4HD news

[arista]

Hartlepool has Richard Tice of the Brexit Party
running for it.
70% want Brexit , there.


Ch4HD news interview

[Beso]

I pity the party that wins...**** DAT for a laugh.

[Twosugars]

A former Labour MP has confirmed he will run as an independent in the general election after the party withdrew its support for him after he backed protesters in an LGBT teaching row.
The Guardian

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

A former Labour MP has confirmed he will run as an independent in the general election after the party withdrew its support for him after he backed protesters in an LGBT teaching row.
The Guardian

He backed the protestors? **** him.

[arista]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

that's got to be a first in a GE?

[bots]

if Boris ends up with a landslide we are all ****ed