[lostalex]

I bet even Putin could beat him in a head to head election. no polonium required.

[lostalex]

the only question i see, is will cameron get a majority so he can finally drop this pathetic charade of "working" with the libdems.

labor has no chance because scotland will go farther towards SNP, and even libdems will lose because they've been such pathetic lap dogs for cameron. libdems only got their position because the people far left of labour wanted them, but now the've shown themselves as conservative lap dogs, the libdem voters must be completely fed up with Clegg.

I don't see how Cameron is in any kind of danger.

[Kizzy]

Yes when you pull the dinosaurs out of the closet unfortunately the skeletons come with them

[smudgie]

I have voted.
Am I the first Tibbers to declare it?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I have voted.
Am I the first Tibbers to declare it?

Well done Smudgie.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well done Smudgie.

3 Different elections, up to 10 votes

All to be taken seriously and on merit.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

3 Different elections, up to 10 votes

All to be taken seriously and on merit.

We are on opposing sides overall Smudgie but I do sincerely hope your man comes through in your area.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

We are on opposing sides overall Smudgie but I do sincerely hope your man comes through in your area.

Indeed Joey, as long as James does well for us locally I am happy.
Good luck with your candidate too.
We may be on opposing sides this time around, but I really do genuinely admire your passion for politics. If I was to stand I would love someone like you in my corner.

[Livia]

The Trussell Trust, while stating it is apolitical, has a Labour Party member as chairman. Now, if the boot was on the other foot and the chairman of some organisation being discussed was a Tory, people would suspect a manipulation of the figures. As it's a Labour member, all the Labour supporters will think that it's gospel because Labour are not capable of manipulation, are they.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Trussell Trust, while stating it is apolitical, has a Labour Party member as chairman. Now, if the boot was on the other foot and the chairman of some organisation being discussed was a Tory, people would suspect a manipulation of the figures. As it's a Labour member, all the Labour supporters will think that it's gospel because Labour are not capable of manipulation, are they.

Are you then suggesting the figures are manipulated, Trussell Trust has been associated via the chairman and trustees with both parties, how would that affect the recording of service users?

'Are rumours that The Trussell Trust was founded by Conservative councillor Noel Atkins true? Is The Trussell Trust affiliated to the Conservative party?
There are some misleading blogs circulating online that suggest that The Trussell Trust is in some way affiliated to the Conservative Party, which is completely untrue: The Trussell Trust is an a-political charity that receives no government funding.
A former trustee was a Conservative councillor but he was not a founding member (he was in post from 2007 – 2012) and his role as councillor was entirely separate to his role as trustee at The Trussell Trust. The Trussell Trust’s Chairman, Chris Mould, is a member of the Labour Party but this does not mean that The Trussell Trust is affiliated to the Labour Party either. Trustees are appointed to govern charities and have an individual as well as collective responsibility to exercise proper independence in their discharge of those duties – i.e they cannot allow personal political or professional connections to guide them when carrying out duties as trustees.'

http://www.trusselltrust.org/rumour-response

[joeysteele]

They still with respect have the figures to confirm what they are issuing,that cannot be glossed over.

They will need to be keeping records, no matter who their chairman may be or from what political leaning they will be from.

The fact has to remain that the use of foodbanks is going through the roof under this govt; and those organisations spending time with their own efforts and then also the large numbers of volunteers who assist with the issuing of vital items to those in dire need,ought to gain respect not derision for those efforts.

If we had elected a Labour govt; in 2010 and these rises had occurred like this under them I for one would probably not be supporting Labour at this election because of that fact.
I find it absolutely appalling that any govt; can preside over this,do nothing whatsoever about it and then actually not get really slated for their policies that have helped bring this worrying and distressing situation about.

I help out at one when I can, and the numbers rising continuously are for me, really alarming as are the stories and reasons they need to come to them too.
Not just those out of work but people in work too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...96#post7714396

[Crimson Dynamo]

mind you that "joke" Cameron made about AS yesterday

[Kizzy]

I'd be more inclined to believe the mash to the mail

[MTVN]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Is that the same Fiscal Studies that failed to see the worlds largest recession coming?

[MTVN]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well the BBC do set up the links so if they go off it must be more to do with them than at the other end.

Anyway,Labour MPs don't worry about being cut off, they just walk off if they don't want to continue,as Chukka Ummunah did with Dermot Murnaghan.

Chris leslie was at the time still doing, marginally only just, better than Gauke was.

The truth is it is a daft line of questioning,the voters are not getting the full details and none of them are going to eevr give the full answers before the elections is over.
That is why I am happy neither main party will get an overall majority,despite supprting strongly one of them.

The answers given now could likely be irrelevant if neither get an overall majority and are made to 'really' think again on some main issues.
That is the sad state of UK politics at this time.

I loved Andrew Neill's response however,especially when at the end, he said something like, 'well we are coming to the end of our time but it doesn't matter as I'm not getting anywhere'.

No one will either, this side of the election.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well the BBC do set up the links so if they go off it must be more to do with them than at the other end.

Anyway,Labour MPs don't worry about being cut off, they just walk off if they don't want to continue,as Chukka Ummunah did with Dermot Murnaghan.

Chris leslie was at the time still doing, marginally only just, better than Gauke was.

The truth is it is a daft line of questioning,the voters are not getting the full details and none of them are going to eevr give the full answers before the elections is over.
That is why I am happy neither main party will get an overall majority,despite supprting strongly one of them.

The answers given now could likely be irrelevant if neither get an overall majority and are made to 'really' think again on some main issues.
That is the sad state of UK politics at this time.

I loved Andrew Neill's response however,especially when at the end, he said something like, 'well we are coming to the end of our time but it doesn't matter as I'm not getting anywhere'.

No one will either, this side of the election.

It's a shoddy situation for sure, the electorate has very little idea of the precise plans of every parties and none of them are being clear with their figures. It's little wonder that they all seem to crumble under pressure from Neil because none of the parties are willing to be clear about their claims.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's a shoddy situation for sure, the electorate has very little idea of the precise plans of every parties and none of them are being clear with their figures. It's little wonder that they all seem to crumble under pressure from Neil because none of the parties are willing to be clear about their claims.

I think he just tries to get one of them to slip up and let something out, however I think this is how it will be to polling day now.
No voter being made any the wiser at all and that is really not a good thing.

I am personally not too bothered as to the cutting of the deficit as I am of the view it should be done more slowly so as to limit the amount of cuts needed to do so quicker.

I do however have to add, I think it really way out of order, to have announced 12 billion of cuts to welfare,only say where 2 billion will be made,then to add that they will not be touching pensions or pensioners extra's in anyway at all.
Which then only leaves jobseekers,which is a pittance anyway now and then the sick and disabled benefits that can be hit.
To leave those groups in people in limbo as to what they intend to do to their entitlements until after the election is over,I find that beyond belief.

[bots]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's a shoddy situation for sure, the electorate has very little idea of the precise plans of every parties and none of them are being clear with their figures. It's little wonder that they all seem to crumble under pressure from Neil because none of the parties are willing to be clear about their claims.

The problem that the main 2 parties have is that if they told the truth about the scale of the cuts/tax rises required to remove the deficit in the time scale they have committed to, no sane person in the country would vote for them. So they then have a choice to live in la la land like some of the other parties or decline to go in to specifics. The reality is that the deficit will still be with us in 5 years time, as neither would dare do what's necessary. They have made a point this election about how dedicated they are to the economy, and to now say the deficit will still be here would make them look stupid.

[Kizzy]

All parties are being pressed for figures, except the conservatives who are allowed to continually pluck figures from the air without question.

[Jøsh]

I just heard E4 is closing on election day from 7am til 7pm.

[Kizzy]

[Livia]

Didn't see much of Gordon Brown defending his record five years ago. But then, it's hard to defend the indefensible.