[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oddly the same victim who was paid off

20 million wasn't it? hush money

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Has anyone changed their stance one way or the other since watching?

My mum thought he was guilty and after watching she thinks he was innocent.

[Kazanne]

I feel even more now that he is innocent ,lets see what tonight has to offer.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Can people stop using the the jury found him innocent as a reason to think he's not a pedo, a jury acquitted OJ ffs

So are you really advocating we all ignore anything that Jackson had substantiated to back up his denial.
In a court of law.

While accepting all the unsubstantiated words of just this pair now.

I think you'll find justice does not work like that, and I for one thank all powers that be it doesn't

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

You know deliberately misinterpreting others posts to raise an argument is trolling, right?

I don't believe the guy was abused to begin with but prodded by his parents to say so to gain money off of Jackson and his reappearance now is to heighten his profile to get acting jobs. My opinion.

"One of the guys accusing him again is clearly just trying to raise his profile."

You are claiming a middle aged man is pretending to be horrifically abused as a child by a paedophile in a 3 hour world release documentary to "raise his profile"???

are you quite sure?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm not sure how it works I can only go by what is out there ,it seems the jury thought the families were not so trustworthy

In 2011, Universal Pictures released a documentary directed by David Gest, Michael Jackson: The Life of an Icon, arguing that Jackson was innocent.
In 2017, the documentary series The Jury Speaks (2017) covered the trial with four members of the jury. Some reported receiving anonymous threats, and one said someone had loosened the wheels on her car. All said they would acquit Jackson again, even in the wake of later allegations. One juror said: "It was pretty obvious that there were ulterior motives on behalf of the family , there wasn't a shred of evidence that was able to show us or give us any doubt in voting guilty."

So for me there are too many things that don't add up and until there is some solid evidence I will continue to be a fan ,being weird , eccentric and liking kids does not equal paedophile . just my opinion , no one has to like it.

Sorry, thought you were on about these from last night. These men cannot get compensation or anything because of the statute of limitations. Hence, 'doing it for the cash' doesn't really stand up. Nor really, does 'doing it for the fame'..name me one celeb who is famous because they were abused?

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"One of the guys accusing him again is clearly just trying to raise his profile."

You are claiming a middle aged man is pretending to be horrifically abused as a child by a paedophile in a 3 hour world release documentary to "raise his profile"???

are you quite sure?

Just as you are claiming Jackson a paedophile with zero proof eh?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So for me there are too many things that don't add up and until there is some solid evidence I will continue to be a fan ,being weird , eccentric and liking kids does not equal paedophile . just my opinion , no one has to like it.

Also, 'solid evidence' is extremely unlikely after so long. Fair few witnesses, and many kids saying the same though. Circumstantial evidence is pretty overwhelming.

I will also remain a fan of his music. Seems daft to pretend otherwise just because I think he was dodgy as hell

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

You know deliberately misinterpreting others posts to raise an argument is trolling, right?

I don't believe the guy was abused to begin with but prodded by his parents to say so to gain money off of Jackson and his reappearance now is to heighten his profile to get acting jobs. My opinion.

? These are different kids, to the ones who were paid off.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

20 million wasn't it? hush money

The police began an investigation into Chandler, and found that he was $68,400 behind in his child support payments, despite being well-paid as a dentist. On November 8, police searched the Jackson family home, Hayvenhurst, but found nothing of importance. They increased their efforts after no supporting evidence was found, and after questioning almost 30 children and their families, all of whom said Jackson had done nothing wrong. Officers flew to the Philippines to interview two ex-housekeepers who had sold a molestation story to the tabloids but decided it lacked credibility. Several parents also complained of aggressive investigative techniques by the police; for example, they claimed the police frightened their children with lies such as "we have nude photos of you", and told parents their children had been molested even though their children had denied it.
According to internal reports from the LA County DCFS at the time, Chandler's story remained largely consistent but dates, places, times and some details were inconsistent. According to reports, the DCFS had investigated Jackson beginning in August 1993 with the Chandler allegation and again in 2003. The LAPD and DCFS found no credible evidence of abuse or sexual misconduct. On the day the allegations were made public, August 24, Jackson began the third leg of his Dangerous World Tour, in Bangkok. That same day, Jackson's investigator held a press conference accusing Chandler of trying to extort $20 million. He did not mention that Jackson had made several counter-offers. On August 25, Jackson's young friends Brett Barnes and Wade Robson held a press conference in which they stated that they had slept in the same bed as Jackson, but nothing sexual in nature had occurred. Jackson's family held another press conference, saying it was their "unequivocal belief" that Michael was a victim of an attempt to take advantage of his fame and wealth.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Has anyone changed their stance one way or the other since watching?

I have drifted much further towards guilty. But not changed my view as such. Done a fair bit of reading..including all the fansites that go into huge details about how every single person who said anything negative was an extortionist or a thief and whatnot too. The odd person, sure. So many? Nope.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

My mum thought he was guilty and after watching she thinks he was innocent.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I feel even more now that he is innocent ,lets see what tonight has to offer.

I haven't watched it yet, not sure I want to watch 4 hours of it tbh

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

So are you really advocating we all ignore anything that Jackson had substantiated to back up his denial.
In a court of law.

While accepting all the unsubstantiated words of just this pair now.

I think you'll find justice does not work like that, and I for one thank all powers that be it doesn't

Do you believe OJ is innocent?

I have yet to speak to anyone who thinks he is..

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have drifted much further towards guilty. But not changed my view as such. Done a fair bit of reading..including all the fansites that go into huge details about how every single person who said anything negative was an extortionist or a thief and whatnot too. The odd person, sure. So many? Nope.

I heard some guy on a radio phone in this morning say he was 100 per cent sure he was guilty until he watched it and now he thinks they are doing it for cynical reasons, I don't the we will ever get the truth either way

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

? These are different kids, to the ones who were paid off.

But they will get tons of money through this Vicky,the media will be scrambling for them, you should read up on Chandlers dad he was pretty dodgy.

[Kazanne]

Blimey ,this thread will beat all records on Tibb lol

[Amy Jade]

This was a tweet from music executive Clyde Jenkins. This is just some of the stuff this one sided documentary conveniently left out. Anyone can make a documentary and make it look like it’s the whole truth. It’s not.

Tweet����
Wade Robson... you should be ashamed of yourself!!! You and your family befriended the biggest star in the world. I personally recall your mom Joy calling MJJ Music with a sob story about needing money knowing that Michael Jackson loved her and your entire family and would do anything to help her. Michael especially loved you like a son because you dreamed of being a dancer as your mother took you around Australia impersonating who.... Michael Jackson.

Your family moved to the United States leaving your father behind and Michael gave you a record deal as part of a rap duo named QUO! It FAILED!!!

Michael Set you up with his niece Brandi and you guys were together for several years... until you CHEATED with other woman several Times.... she left you!

You still remained in the Jackson Circle.... Why? Because it opened doors for you being associated with Michael Jackson and his family.

That association with Michael Jackson afforded you the opportunity to befriend such artist as Justin Timberlake and Brittany spears... and what did you do...You started working with Justin as a Choreographer and then slept with his girlfriend Brittany Spears and was FIRED. Justin then wrote a song about it called "Cry Me A River". And yet you called Justin your FRIEND!!!

You used your association with Michael Jackson to befriend PRINCE and Mayte.... and what did you do.... You slept with HER!!! Some friend you are!!

You use your association with Michael Jackson to get yourself a gig on a television dance show.... word gets out about your previous disregard and loyalty toward high profile celebrities... and what happens.... you get CUT from that show.

Michael Jackson plans his THIS IS IT concert and you BEG to be the choreographer for the show.... Michael Chooses another Choreographer.... what do you do now that your web of lies are catching up with you and you are now Hollywood damaged goods.... You turn on the one man who looked out for you and your family your ENTIRE life and make up child abuse/molestation allegations that you have emphatically stated for many many years....NEVER HAPPENED!!

Fast forward to today... Michael Jackson is sadly NO LONGER with us. You now beg Michaels Nephew Taj Jackson for VIP access to Michael Jacksons funeral for YOU and your entire family. yet you claim this monster molested you...Sick.

You are now considered a home wrecking, disloyal individual and is essentially blackballed from Hollywood. What do you do? Because You know the world knows you are associated with Michael Jackson.... you use that association once again to change your LIFE LONG STORY to now claim... Michael Jackson molested you. Why? because you are BROKE and your wife is demanding you start making money or she will leave you.

You now convince another broke kid from Michaels past (Pepsi commercial) to join you in a frivolous lawsuit against Michael Jacksons Estate for 100's of Millions of dollars. The courts agree that there is no merit to this lawsuit and dismiss it!!

The Jackson family never fight back when people say disparaging things about their family. Mrs. Jackson once told me when i questioned her about this... she replied "because DIRT sinks and CREAM rises"

Wade knows this to be true as well.... so what does he do? He and James Safechuck concoct a story so salacious, so scandalous so despicable, and presents it to HBO for a one sided EXPLOSIVE televised documentary of LIES... in hopes that the Michael Jackson BILLION DOLLAR ESTATE will settle with you financially to make this documentary go away.

Well that documentary of LIES will air this weekend.... and unlike the Jackson's past... this new generations of Jackson kids are not having it!! they are suing HBO for airing your lying ass!!

I hope when this is all said and done, the estate counter sues YOU in civil court and WIN! I hope it renders you penniless for the rest of your life. Michael Jackson was good to YOU, your mother Joy and your sister Chantel.... and because your gravy train has run out... THIS is how you repay him. You are a sad excuse for a human being!!!

Sorry for this long post... but knowing what i know I just couldn't be silent.

For any of you who thought Michael Jackson was strange... I get it... because there is no one else on earth to compare him to. Yes, there are other child stars who grew up to "blend in" to society...and i get it... But when you are Michael Jackson and the only thing on earth that is more recognizable than you is the yellow "M" at McDonalds..... that in itself is "Strange!"

Anyways.... i say... boycott the documentary... and if you MUST WATCH... know that you now know the basis of the scandalous lies contained within the documentary!

Let that man rest in PEACE!!!

Clyde

(This is from facebook)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I heard some guy on a radio phone in this morning say he was 100 per cent sure he was guilty until he watched it and now he thinks they are doing it for cynical reasons, I don't the we will ever get the truth either way

I don't understand this at all?

OK I get that some simply dont believe the guys, thats up to them.

However, how could anyone think he was guilty, then watch 2 more people tell their story and suddenly think him innocent? what was it that made them think he was guilty before, and why would the program switch that? Genuinely trying to understand it but makes no sense to me!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Just as you are claiming Jackson a paedophile with zero proof eh?

zero proof?

again what you are posting does not make sense in relation to this thread

re-read the thread as you have jumped in too quickly

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't understand this at all?

OK I get that some simply dont believe the guys, thats up to them.

However, how could anyone think he was guilty, then watch 2 more people tell their story and suddenly think him innocent? what was it that made them think he was guilty before, and why would the program switch that? Genuinely trying to understand it but makes no sense to me!

it makes no sense and i dont buy it as truth

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

This was a tweet from music executive Clyde Jenkins. This is just some of the stuff this one sided documentary conveniently left out. Anyone can make a documentary and make it look like it’s the whole truth. It’s not.

Tweet����
Wade Robson... you should be ashamed of yourself!!! You and your family befriended the biggest star in the world. I personally recall your mom Joy calling MJJ Music with a sob story about needing money knowing that Michael Jackson loved her and your entire family and would do anything to help her. Michael especially loved you like a son because you dreamed of being a dancer as your mother took you around Australia impersonating who.... Michael Jackson.

Your family moved to the United States leaving your father behind and Michael gave you a record deal as part of a rap duo named QUO! It FAILED!!!

Michael Set you up with his niece Brandi and you guys were together for several years... until you CHEATED with other woman several Times.... she left you!

You still remained in the Jackson Circle.... Why? Because it opened doors for you being associated with Michael Jackson and his family.

That association with Michael Jackson afforded you the opportunity to befriend such artist as Justin Timberlake and Brittany spears... and what did you do...You started working with Justin as a Choreographer and then slept with his girlfriend Brittany Spears and was FIRED. Justin then wrote a song about it called "Cry Me A River". And yet you called Justin your FRIEND!!!

You used your association with Michael Jackson to befriend PRINCE and Mayte.... and what did you do.... You slept with HER!!! Some friend you are!!

You use your association with Michael Jackson to get yourself a gig on a television dance show.... word gets out about your previous disregard and loyalty toward high profile celebrities... and what happens.... you get CUT from that show.

Michael Jackson plans his THIS IS IT concert and you BEG to be the choreographer for the show.... Michael Chooses another Choreographer.... what do you do now that your web of lies are catching up with you and you are now Hollywood damaged goods.... You turn on the one man who looked out for you and your family your ENTIRE life and make up child abuse/molestation allegations that you have emphatically stated for many many years....NEVER HAPPENED!!

Fast forward to today... Michael Jackson is sadly NO LONGER with us. You now beg Michaels Nephew Taj Jackson for VIP access to Michael Jacksons funeral for YOU and your entire family. yet you claim this monster molested you...Sick.

You are now considered a home wrecking, disloyal individual and is essentially blackballed from Hollywood. What do you do? Because You know the world knows you are associated with Michael Jackson.... you use that association once again to change your LIFE LONG STORY to now claim... Michael Jackson molested you. Why? because you are BROKE and your wife is demanding you start making money or she will leave you.

You now convince another broke kid from Michaels past (Pepsi commercial) to join you in a frivolous lawsuit against Michael Jacksons Estate for 100's of Millions of dollars. The courts agree that there is no merit to this lawsuit and dismiss it!!

The Jackson family never fight back when people say disparaging things about their family. Mrs. Jackson once told me when i questioned her about this... she replied "because DIRT sinks and CREAM rises"

Wade knows this to be true as well.... so what does he do? He and James Safechuck concoct a story so salacious, so scandalous so despicable, and presents it to HBO for a one sided EXPLOSIVE televised documentary of LIES... in hopes that the Michael Jackson BILLION DOLLAR ESTATE will settle with you financially to make this documentary go away.

Well that documentary of LIES will air this weekend.... and unlike the Jackson's past... this new generations of Jackson kids are not having it!! they are suing HBO for airing your lying ass!!

I hope when this is all said and done, the estate counter sues YOU in civil court and WIN! I hope it renders you penniless for the rest of your life. Michael Jackson was good to YOU, your mother Joy and your sister Chantel.... and because your gravy train has run out... THIS is how you repay him. You are a sad excuse for a human being!!!

Sorry for this long post... but knowing what i know I just couldn't be silent.

For any of you who thought Michael Jackson was strange... I get it... because there is no one else on earth to compare him to. Yes, there are other child stars who grew up to "blend in" to society...and i get it... But when you are Michael Jackson and the only thing on earth that is more recognizable than you is the yellow "M" at McDonalds..... that in itself is "Strange!"

Anyways.... i say... boycott the documentary... and if you MUST WATCH... know that you now know the basis of the scandalous lies contained within the documentary!

Let that man rest in PEACE!!!

Clyde

(This is from facebook)

Yes ,it was VERY one sided.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But they will get tons of money through this Vicky,the media will be scrambling for them, you should read up on Chandlers dad he was pretty dodgy.

I have read the MJ fan sites.

Regardless of what Chandlers dad was or was not, there was not only Chandler.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't understand this at all?

OK I get that some simply dont believe the guys, thats up to them.

However, how could anyone think he was guilty, then watch 2 more people tell their story and suddenly think him innocent? what was it that made them think he was guilty before, and why would the program switch that? Genuinely trying to understand it but makes no sense to me!

Quite a few people ringing in felt the documentary was one sided and dramatised for effect, of course there was a balance of views but that one stood out for me

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Quite a few people ringing in felt the documentary was one sided and dramatised for effect, of course there was a balance of views but that one stood out for me

of course it was one sided that was what it was about

about the side of the victims

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Quite a few people ringing in felt the documentary was one sided and dramatised for effect, of course there was a balance of views but that one stood out for me

Well yes, that makes sense.

But saying that because a biased documentary was made, you suddenly think he is innocent rather than guilty is plain, bizarre and makes no sense?

I believe the Royal family had a hand in Dianas death. If a documentary came out tomorrow, of a friend of the family saying that they overheard conversations discussing how best to get rid of Diana and I disbelieved this person that they heard such a conversation and thought the documantery was biased...I don't see why this would make me think suddenly the total opposite? If that makes any sense, probably not explaining myself well at all