[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

or son!, sexist kaz

whoops,naughty me sheriff

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by Arrow

''never once did I ever see anything but exemplary conduct towards any of the women''

''lionel was a complete gentlemen to the girls''


So screaming and shouting and pointing your finger towards someone face while moving towards them in aggressive manner would be classed as behaviour of a gentlemen ?


you are aware of this moment as you have said that what you was referencing when you mentioned his bad language


no problems with that from you but jim flirts with a girl who is 30 years old an age that would be considered 'old' by alot of people including myself and jim is bang out of order im confused with your views on things that go on in the house

Fine. We can agree to differ. I am generally treated extremely well by men of all ages, and I would have no problem at all with Lionel's behaviour. Both he and Luisa got annoyed, and he told her what he thought of her using some language which is in current use on TV and everywhere else. That does not mean that he was not behaving like a gentleman, in my view. He kept his hands to himself, and treated all the women appropriately. In contrast, I would absolutely cringe if someone did to me what Jim is doing to Casey, objectifying and humilating me by making reference to my "knockers" or other tasteless/sleazy remarks.

As I say, we can agree to differ. I am entitled to state my opinion, even if it's different from yours or anyone elses.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

whoops,naughty me sheriff

clocked

[Jordan.]

creep

[Z]

Originally Posted by jet

Really?
I wouldn't. I'd be thinking that she's laughing because she feels uncomfortable (notice she rarely banters back at him) and I'd tell the dirty perv to stay away from my daughter.

Casey doesn't seem to have any banter, she's a bit vacuous... but I think that even if she was uncomfortable with what Jim said, she wouldn't have admitted it to anyone, she seems to hate confronting people with how she feels (see: Lee Ryan)

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

creep

who?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

The reason this thread has generated so much controversy here and elsewhere is that Jim is taking Casey aside to offering comfort during vulnerable moments, then using that as an excuse to initiate physical contact and make graphically sexual remarks. She never reciprocates the banter, even though she participated in playful banter with Lee. At times she has looked uncomfortable with Jim's remarks.

Casey cannot really pull Jim up on his behaviour, because of her enormous gratitude for his support. Thus Jim has created a lot of good feeling from Casey, and she feels obliged to tolerate it. To do otherwise might seem petty or ungrateful. His grim expression when she didn't cite him as someone she'd snog or marry resulted in her adding that she'd have an affair with him - the only time she has ever indulged in any bantering comment.

When Jim told her to sit beside him the other night, she refused to do so twice before finally, reluctantly doing so. That kinda says to me that she didn't want to sit beside Jim. I wouldn't either.

I know all his fans say he is a product of his generation, but I have to disagree. I have never come across a man who spoke like that to a woman, unless it was part of playful banter, or he was involved in a physical relationship with her..

Great post.

The part I've highlighted is why I think Casey doesn't like the constant sexual innuendos. There's no back and forth.

[Arrow]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Fine. We can agree to differ. I am generally treated extremely well by men of all ages, and I would have no problem at all with Lionel's behaviour. Both he and Luisa got annoyed, and he told her what he thought of her using some language which is in current use on TV and everywhere else. That does not mean that he was not behaving like a gentleman, in my view. He kept his hands to himself, and treated all the women appropriately. In contrast, I would absolutely cringe if someone did to me what Jim is doing to Casey, objectifying and humilating me by making reference to my "knockers" or other tasteless/sleazy remarks.

As I say, we can agree to differ. I am entitled to state my opinion, even if it's different from yours or anyone elses.

yea this differ of opinions in just going in circles looks like we both cant find a middle ground in which to reach an agreement


The way casey is i see no problem with the way jim acts towards her its the context its said and the person its said to If jim was acting like this with liz i would find it inappropriate

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Great post.

The part I've highlighted is why I think Casey doesn't like the constant sexual innuendos. There's no back and forth.

Imagine if she comes out and says Jim was a sex pest


She thanked him last night for helping her as did Sam I doubt she would have done that if she felt violated.

[Pincho Paxton]

There is a slight problem with his joke...

... his daughter is 10 times better looking than Casey!

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

The reason this thread has generated so much controversy here and elsewhere is that Jim is taking Casey aside to offering comfort during vulnerable moments, then using that as an excuse to initiate physical contact and make graphically sexual remarks. She never reciprocates the banter, even though she participated in playful banter with Lee. At times she has looked uncomfortable with Jim's remarks.

Casey cannot really pull Jim up on his behaviour, because of her enormous gratitude for his support. Thus Jim has created a lot of good feeling from Casey, and she feels obliged to tolerate it. To do otherwise might seem petty or ungrateful. His grim expression when she didn't cite him as someone she'd snog or marry resulted in her adding that she'd have an affair with him - the only time she has ever indulged in any bantering comment.

When Jim told her to sit beside him the other night, she refused to do so twice before finally, reluctantly doing so. That kinda says to me that she didn't want to sit beside Jim. I wouldn't either.

I know all his fans say he is a product of his generation, but I have to disagree. I have never come across a man who spoke like that to a woman, unless it was part of playful banter, or he was involved in a physical relationship with her..

Very well said and I totally agree.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I guess some people just don't get his sense of humour. But i think he's hilarious!

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Imagine if she comes out and says Jim was a sex pest

If she comes out first she could ruin his chances for the win

She thanked him last night for helping her as did Sam I doubt she would have done that if she felt violated.

Violated is a bit strong but I do think she'd prefer that he didn't. She loves the banter, her and Lee were always at it but she never banters back with Jim, apart from last night when he stuck his pet lip out because she didn't choose to marry or snog him.

[Slevin]

i get his jokes and i watch many comedies or whatever that have offensive jokes (doesnt mean i think hes really that funny or should even though i have laughed at some of his one liners before) but i thought he was going on a bit much with the tits jokes. i was even thinking can he joke about something else with her.