[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Amy was one of those artistes(most are anyway) who divide opinion,some really liked her, some liked her a bit, some weren't bothered and some didn't like her or her music.

I liked lots of her songs, she wasn't an artiste I would choose to see live, but I could have been encouraged to have gone to a concert of hers.
A lot of her songs,especially listening to them now,have a deeper meaning to them because of the lyrics,it's almost like she was pouring out her feelings and thoughts into those lyrics.

I would guess this thread has a long life to it since there still a lot of questions to be answered as to her untimely death.Until we have those answers the only real facts we know are she had a drink problem, a drugs problem and that she has died at only 27.

The tribute thread has less posts because those who have made a tribute to her have done so and with little more than the one post it took to do that, this thread is a discussion thread and has many points thrown backwards and forwards as to the issues so will clearly have a great many more posts.

She divided opinion but she did have talent, there was likely more to come too,she clearly wasn't the hard case some thought she was, clearly from all reports she was really quite vulnerable.
It is sad she died at 27 but her music will live on, she wasn't my kind of singer or performer but some of her songs are really great and I hope in time that is her lasting memory for people,her music, not the very wild and traumatic build up,mostly self inflicted, to the end of her young life.

To be honest I doubt many folk care. She had some good songs but as an artist she was pretty crap. COuld do no media and no promo. Her concerts were awful and she chose vile men to couple up with.


Life moves on.

[InOne]

People are pretty fickle really tbh. One day the see her as a junky the next a legend

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by InOne

People are pretty fickle really tbh. One day the see her as a junky the next a legend

Its the power of death. She was not a legend just a unlucky (ironically) sad little girl. Legends are people like Dolly Parton, Barbara Streisand - those that have been at the top for decades and survived.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Boothy

Yes. We also had Rock music in the 60s. Your point is?



You're getting desperate when you start having a pop at the genre of her music.

I remember a time when "pop" (and "rock") music moved on, sometimes at a seemingly ferocious pace - now it seems to be stuck in a rut and forever looking back .....

[Omah]

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf...leased_1237480

Amy Winehouse's forthcoming album was to be about her tumultuous drug-addled relationship and divorce with Blake Fielder-civil, and it is to get a posthumous release, the Daily Mail has reported. Fielder-Civil, 33, was imprisoned for 7 months following an attack on a pub landlord, and his marriage to Amy Winehouse ended after just 2 years in 2009. A spokesperson for Winehouse's family said: "Amy always had a notebook on her and would write down lyrics and ideas,' he said. 'People who have heard the new songs say that they are very, very good and that they are as autobiographical as ever.The period after 2006 was when Amy went through the most emotional upheaval, with Blake going to prison and then their divorce."

A source told the Daily Mail that most of the tracks were just demos, where Amy had laid down a backing track and had written some lyrics, and the songs would be completed using Amy's vocals or contributions from friends. It is slated for release next year, with all proceeds going to a charity set up by Amy's father Mitch to help people struggling with addiction. Since her death last week, the album Back to Black has topped the iTunes charts in 17 different countries.

Will this be the retro-reggae album or a regression to retro-jazz ?

[Omah]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/...#ixzz1ThuCpZTR

The troubled singer had started the process of becoming a mum to 10-year-old Dannika Augustine, who she met on the idyllic Caribbean island.

Amy had booked her ticket to visit the schoolgirl next week. The child’s grandmother revealed the singer had already hired lawyers for the adoption, but her plans were cut short by her sudden death last week aged just 27.

Pretty Dannika was living in *poverty with her single mum, who was *struggling to feed her, when Amy took her under her wing during one of her many stays on the island over the last two years.

Frankly, I am appalled at such irresponsibility from all the parties concerned .....

[Omah]

http://www.people.co.uk/celebs-tv/ce...2039-23309026/

ONE of Amy Winehouse’s closest friends has told how the singer’s last dream was to marry her boyfriend and have children.

The tragic star had wanted nothing more than to settle down and be a housewife to her film-maker boyfriend Reg Traviss, 35, says Aisleyne Horgan-Wallace.

And the Back to Black singer was *happier than ever before, according to ex Big Brother contestant Aisleyne.

In stark contrast to the star’s public hell-raising drink-and-drugs image, Aisleyne revealed how Amy…

LOVED watching Channel 4’s teatime word game Countdown.

LIKED to pop round to her local takeaway for a spicy kebab and chips.

ENJOYED having a cosy cup of tea with her mates and a nap in the afternoon.

LAVISHED her love on up to five kittens.

SANG like an angel while she did the housework.

Aisleyne, 32, who was pals with Amy for three years until her devastating death last week, said: “She would *always tell me that she wanted nothing more than to be a housewife. She wanted to have children and stay at home and look after them.

“The fame didn’t bother her, she didn’t crave that, she was about the love of music. “Whether it was in front of millions or it was just in a local pub, she was just happy performing and what she really wanted was to have a family."

..... and lots more gushing from "bezzy fren" and former "gangsta ho" Aisleyne Horgan-Wallace .....

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

To be honest I doubt many folk care. She had some good songs but as an artist she was pretty crap. COuld do no media and no promo. Her concerts were awful and she chose vile men to couple up with.


Life moves on.

well move on then and stop yapping about her.

And her death has made a worldwide impact; its all over the media and her music is back in dozens of countries top 10 charts. So for you to say that not many folk care is just ignorant BS.

[Omah]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/...e-funeral.html

Aisleyne Horgan-Wallace has admitted that she was banned from friend Amy Winehouse's funeral this week over reports that she encouraged the singer's destructive lifestyle.

The Big Brother contestant was barred from a private service commemorating the 'Back To Black' star on Tuesday after the 27-year-old's parents Mitch and Janis suspected that the pair had partied before her death last Saturday.

However, Horgan-Wallace today insisted that her last meeting with Winehouse had been a low-key affair and claimed that she would never attempt to jeopardise the Grammy-winner's victory over her addictions.

Jeez, what a "meeja-ho" - we haven't heard of her since her "fashion-empire" went t1t$-up then AHW comes craking out of the woodwork claiming a "special" relationship with AW .....

[Omah]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz1TlOHPuoJ

A London drug fixer claims he helped Amy Winehouse buy £1,200 of crack cocaine and heroin the night before she died.

Tony Azzopardi, who is due to be re-interviewed by police today, alleged he helped the late singer buy the Class A narcotics in the early hours of July 23rd - the same day she was found dead in her London home.

The 56-year-old, who was introduced to the tragic star by her ex-husband Blake Fielder-Civil, claimed he wanted her family to 'know the truth about what happened'.

Azzopardi told the Daily Mirror he bumped into the singer in a black cab near The Eagle pub around 11:30pm on July 22nd.

Several people had previously claimed to have seen Amy outisde the Good Mixer bar in Camden that night.

Azzopardi claims Amy asked him to help her buy some drugs and they rode together in the taxi to West Hampstead, where he made a phonecall to a local dealer.

A short time later, he alleges the singer handed over £1,200 for half an ounce each of crack and heroin.

He claims he last saw her when she dropped him off in Archway, North London before heading back to her Camden home.

Hours later, Amy's lifeless body was found by her bodyguard around 4pm.

Despite Azzopardi's claims, police said they found no drug paraphenalia at the singer's house.

[Ammi]

Predictable that every low life scum comes out of the woodwork with their 'exclusive' crap when these tragedies happen, 15 minutes of fame

RIP Amy

[Pyramid*]

Picking up from Omah's last newspaper article:

Despite Azzopardi's claims, police said they found no drug paraphenalia at the singer's house.

She was found by her bodyguard. I'm quite sure that if (IF) she had been taking drugs and OD'd, that there is a very good chance that he removed all the evidence of the drug taking- out of nothing more than loyalty to still try to protect her, even at that stage.

That said, it makes no sense - as surely that would have shown up in the preliminary tests conducted - which all came back inconclusive.

I still think they do know the reason but have chosen not to make it public at the request of her family. I'm quite sure there is no law to state that such information be made public - and if that is the case, I do not blame her parents one bit for keeping that private. Too much of all of their lives has been played out in public.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Picking up from Omah's last newspaper article:



She was found by her bodyguard. I'm quite sure that if (IF) she had been taking drugs and OD'd, that there is a very good chance that he removed all the evidence of the drug taking- out of nothing more than loyalty to still try to protect her, even at that stage.

That said, it makes no sense - as surely that would have shown up in the preliminary tests conducted - which all came back inconclusive.

I still think they do know the reason but have chosen not to make it public at the request of her family. I'm quite sure there is no law to state that such information be made public - and if that is the case, I do not blame her parents one bit for keeping that private. Too much of all of their lives has been played out in public.

I agree, I don't see the benefit of every last detail being reported,, it changes nothing. Amy is dead and her family are grieving, if she died with £1200 of cocaine in her body, well what is knowing that going to change, we all know she lead a destructive lifestyle so what do details matter escept to her poor family who now have to suffer every detail of her life picked over, as if losing her isn't bad enough for them

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Picking up from Omah's last newspaper article:



She was found by her bodyguard. I'm quite sure that if (IF) she had been taking drugs and OD'd, that there is a very good chance that he removed all the evidence of the drug taking- out of nothing more than loyalty to still try to protect her, even at that stage.

That said, it makes no sense - as surely that would have shown up in the preliminary tests conducted - which all came back inconclusive.

I still think they do know the reason but have chosen not to make it public at the request of her family. I'm quite sure there is no law to state that such information be made public - and if that is the case, I do not blame her parents one bit for keeping that private. Too much of all of their lives has been played out in public.

Firstly, that's a wild accusation to make about the body guard, and then it's cancelled out by your second paragraph.

Perhaps the Winehouse family has had a look at what some people have said about their daughter on the Internet. Maybe they don't want to add fuel to an already blazing fire. I'm off this thread now... a lot of you are a little too gleeful, a little too thrilled by the salaciousness of it all. And that's weird.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by rhino

I agree, I don't see the benefit of every last detail being reported,, it changes nothing. Amy is dead and her family are grieving, if she died with £1200 of cocaine in her body, well what is knowing that going to change, we all know she lead a destructive lifestyle so what do details matter escept to her poor family who now have to suffer every detail of her life picked over, as if losing her isn't bad enough for them

Well, when there's a conflict in the reporting of an event that is of public interest, I like to know which version is (at least close to) the truth - I don't believe in so-called icons, myths and legends .....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Omah

Well, when there's a conflict in the reporting of an event that is of public interest, I like to know which version is (at least close to) the truth - I don't believe in so-called icons, myths and legends .....

I don't see it's of public interest, ah the cause of Amy's death is going to have a direct effect on the Country or perhaps even the world so we all need to know this information, it's of national importance. No it only serves to make her family suffer, and attempt to dirty her memory. As for icons, myths, legends, well that's up to any individual as to what her music and place in the industry meant, that's not up for negotiation

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Livia

Firstly, that's a wild accusation to make about the body guard, and then it's cancelled out by your second paragraph.

Perhaps the Winehouse family has had a look at what some people have said about their daughter on the Internet. Maybe they don't want to add fuel to an already blazing fire. I'm off this thread now... a lot of you are a little too gleeful, a little too thrilled by the salaciousness of it all. And that's weird.

Wild accusation huh? See you've not been paying much attention since last week as it had been reported (note: reported, I'm going on as much info as you - so you can can the supercillious attitude right now). It's a point of discussion- not some wild accusation - unless I'm mistaken, this is a public forum, not a court of law.

Tough luck if you don't like some of what's being said - she chose to live her life in the spotlight - and most of the last several years being a total mess in public - with or without her boyfriends/husband and hangers on - to pretend otherwise is nothing less than shutting yourself off from the truth.

I get the feeling that her parents wouldn't need to check the internet to see what people are saying: it's hardly like she turned to drink and drugs in the last month. Time you took the rose tinted glasses off and looked at the world with clear vision.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by rhino

I don't see it's of public interest

I do .....

A quick search on Google gives 74,700,000 results for "Amy Winehouse death" so I guess a few more people are interested, too .....

Originally Posted by rhino

As for icons, myths, legends, well that's up to any individual as to what her music and place in the industry meant

Of course, others may choose to believe in icons, myths and legends .....

Incidentally, I have already pointed out that this "general interest" thread has attracted far more attention than the "tribute" thread .....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Omah

I do .....

A quick search on Google gives 74,700,000 results for "Amy Winehouse death" so I guess a few more people are interested, too .....



Of course, others may choose to believe in icons, myths and legends .....

Incidentally, I have already pointed out that this "general interest" thread has attracted far more attention than the "tribute" thread .....

ehm ok, well there's really nopoint in the public crying 'outrage' at phone hacking and the means the press use to gain every grubby, dirty little detail of every high profile story then, as it's their obsession with needing to know everything, whether it is their right or not is why this happens. I'm not disagreeing that it's a high profile story just the pointlessness of raking over fiction and fact, it will change nothing for us, nothing for Amy, but it will hurt her loved ones unecessarily

[Marc]

People need to stop bickering in here. It's getting tired.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by rhino

I don't see it's of public interest, ah the cause of Amy's death is going to have a direct effect on the Country or perhaps even the world so we all need to know this information, it's of national importance. No it only serves to make her family suffer, and attempt to dirty her memory. As for icons, myths, legends, well that's up to any individual as to what her music and place in the industry meant, that's not up for negotiation

That's the thing though. Whilst there is no need for the public to be informed of the ins and outs - because Amy led such a public life, and in the way that she did over the past years (for it has been that, and not her music/record sales that have kept her in the public eye) - that naturally leads to public interest -whether rightly so or not.

It is the very way in which she - and her father with his 'tv show' and riding on her coat tails, lent themselves to being in the spotlight - that has contributed in no small way in the interest now.

Of course I agree, that it is entirely personal matter as to whether she is regarded as an icon/legend etc: just as it is a personal matter as to whether she is regarded otherwise - and discussion shouldn't be stifled because not all opinions marry up.

If anything, as sad as this is for her parents and those who knew her personally - the one good thing (if it could ever be called that) - is Mitch's idea (reportedly - in case I'm accused of wild allegations!) of using monies from a poss 3rd album of unpublished songs to fund an addictions/rehab centre or suchlike. and in that case, the publicity surrounding her death will aid promotion of such a worthwhile cause.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

That's the thing though. Whilst there is no need for the public to be informed of the ins and outs - because Amy led such a public life, and in the way that she did over the past years (for it has been that, and not her music/record sales that have kept her in the public eye) - that naturally leads to public interest -whether rightly so or not.

Exactly, when was the "public" NOT interested in the sudden deaths of high profile "celebrities" .....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

That's the thing though. Whilst there is no need for the public to be informed of the ins and outs - because Amy led such a public life, and in the way that she did over the past years (for it has been that, and not her music/record sales that have kept her in the public eye) - that naturally leads to public interest -whether rightly so or not.

It is the very way in which she - and her father with his 'tv show' and riding on her coat tails, lent themselves to being in the spotlight - that has contributed in no small way in the interest now.

Of course I agree, that it is entirely personal matter as to whether she is regarded as an icon/legend etc: just as it is a personal matter as to whether she is regarded otherwise - and discussion shouldn't be stifled because not all opinions marry up.

If anything, as sad as this is for her parents and those who knew her personally - the one good thing (if it could ever be called that) - is Mitch's idea (reportedly - in case I'm accused of wild allegations!) of using monies from a poss 3rd album of unpublished songs to fund an addictions/rehab centre or suchlike. and in that case, the publicity surrounding her death will aid promotion of such a worthwhile cause.

I have had no respect for her father in the past, however he now as a lifetime to reflect over his actions and to whether this contributed or not to his daughters destructive lifestyle. As parents we will always find a way to blame everything on ourselves what we should/shouldn't/could have done, and I am sure this will haunt him forever. As to Amy's lifestyle, well whatever to blame, she has paid the ultimate price, with that the public/press should draw a line under the negative aspect and as you say concentrate on the positive of possibly helping other young people going the same direction. Like Jade Goddy's illness and death did for other females awareness. There is every point in drawing from the positive and none in drawing from the negative.
The public's obsession with dirt and scandal, whether true or not, I don't think they really care, is why the press stoop so low to gain their stories. So there's really no point in them then complaining that its not ethical

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

Exactly, when was the "public" NOT interested in the sudden deaths of high profile "celebrities" .....

Not quite sure why you've put "celebrities" in inverted commas. I think it's fair to say that Amy was more than a celebrity - let's be fair here Omah.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Omah

Exactly, when was the "public" NOT interested in the sudden deaths of high profile "celebrities" .....

I was very interested and stunned to hear of Amy's death, its all the stupid sh*** that inevitably follows that is pointless and this obsession of scandal and gossip. And tbh it wouldn't matter if she were Mother Teresa, bad stuff would inferred because people need to feed their lives with the knowledge that the rich, famous etc are all suffering disfunctional wrecks, it makes them feel better