[Novo]

Won't stop the Union jack being proudly displayed in Glorious Ibrox

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by NovoBaratheon

Won't stop the Union jack being proudly displayed in Glorious Ibrox

That will never stop us brother.

GSTQ

[Novo]

All the Scottish clubs should apply to play in the English football league quickly, or we should just offer them a place to put the final nail in the SNPs coffin

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by NovoBaratheon

All the Scottish clubs should apply to play in the English football league quickly, or we should just offer them a place to put the final nail in the SNPs coffin

We don't want you fam

[Lee.]

Keep a hold of that nail until next Thursday Andy Then we'll see where it's to be hammered

[daniel-lewis-1985]

If that's what they want then that's what they should get.

I do not believe however if say 51% of the Scots wanted to become independent and succeeded. Its unfair on the other half of the country who want to stay united.

This really should be a vote where if 80% of the population wants to become independent then fair enough and not as it currently is about to reward half the nation and punish the other half apposed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

If that's what they want then that's what they should get.

I do not believe however if say 51% of the Scots wanted to become independent and succeeded. Its unfair on the other half of the country who want to stay united.

This really should be a vote where if 80% of the population wants to become independent then fair enough and not as it currently is about to reward half the nation and punish the other half apposed.

welcome to democracy

[Z]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

welcome to democracy

Specifically, welcome to the number one problem with "first past the post" voting - where as long as you're the majority winner, it doesn't matter how many people are against. I find it shocking that we have general elections where a party can be dubbed the winner with less than 40% of the popular vote, never mind less than 50%!

6 days to go and I still haven't made my mind up. The one good thing to come out of all of this is I've never in my life encountered so many people so interested in politics, ever.

[arista]

Youtube video

Just Recorded this



Love the BBC Scotland Sign in the background
you get it more clear towards the end.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

Youtube video

Just Recorded this



Love the BBC Scotland Sign in the background
you get it more clear towards the end.

aristatibb7

[user104658]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

I do not believe however if say 51% of the Scots wanted to become independent and succeeded. Its unfair on the other half of the country who want to stay united.

But then how is that not unfair on the half that voted to separate?

[Novo]

Don't leave us to Rot in the Wastelands

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://gallery.mailchimp.com/3d8f58..._points_1_.pdf


regarding RBS

have a butchers

[jaxie]

I have to say the one thing that irritates me a bit about the whole referendum is that should a yes vote go ahead then the divorce will greatly impact the other countries in the union in many ways social, economic, defense, not to mention the possibility of having to have a passport to go to Scotland, but none of us get a say? That seems incredibly unfair to me.

[Beastie]

They will definitely be staying.

[Angelika]

The sensible option is to stay.

[Anaesthesia]

To fully resolve / prepare for all the issues that would arise from devolution it would take at least 10 years. Not saying I wouldn't support an independent Scotland, I just think the sensible vote, right now, would be a resounding NO.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

To fully resolve / prepare for all the issues that would arise from devolution it would take at least 10 years. Not saying I wouldn't support an independent Scotland, I just think the sensible vote, right now, would be a resounding NO.

I agree with that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I have to say the one thing that irritates me a bit about the whole referendum is that should a yes vote go ahead then the divorce will greatly impact the other countries in the union in many ways social, economic, defense, not to mention the possibility of having to have a passport to go to Scotland, but none of us get a say? That seems incredibly unfair to me.

To suggest that a smaller nation wishing to split from a (much) larger one should be able to be forced to stay at the whim of said larger nation, for their own benefit, sounds a whole lot like tyranny. I'm not saying that Scotland will vote for independence, the truth is it's unlikely, but in these scenarios the decision MUST always be in the hands of smaller separating group. They must decide to stay, or to leave. To say that the more powerful entity should be able to force the union to remain is terrifying and a million miles from anything resembling democracy. Voters are outnumbered 10/1 by the larger nation.

I mean, would you say the same of EU membership? Let's say the government of the UK and 80% of the population (50+ million) want to leave the European Union... but oh wait, the other 445 million people in Europe get to vote, too, and having the UK in Europe is good For Europe so... tough?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To suggest that a smaller nation wishing to split from a (much) larger one should be able to be forced to stay at the whim of said larger nation, for their own benefit, sounds a whole lot like tyranny. I'm not saying that Scotland will vote for independence, the truth is it's unlikely, but in these scenarios the decision MUST always be in the hands of smaller separating group. They must decide to stay, or to leave. To say that the more powerful entity should be able to force the union to remain is terrifying and a million miles from anything resembling democracy. Voters are outnumbered 10/1 by the larger nation.

I mean, would you say the same of EU membership? Let's say the government of the UK and 80% of the population (50+ million) want to leave the European Union... but oh wait, the other 445 million people in Europe get to vote, too, and having the UK in Europe is good For Europe so... tough?

But that is not what I said at all is it?

What I said was that my future and many others is also being decided and I find it unfair that I have no say at all whatsoever. You have no way of knowing that the union would be 'forced' if the rest of the UK had a vote because we don't get a say, there is no way to know how we would vote. Of course the people of Scotland have the right to decide their own future but you can't say the rest of us don't have some rights when things effect us either. How would the people of Scotland feel if we all had a vote about something that dramatically changed their country and left them out?

[bots]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I have to say the one thing that irritates me a bit about the whole referendum is that should a yes vote go ahead then the divorce will greatly impact the other countries in the union in many ways social, economic, defense, not to mention the possibility of having to have a passport to go to Scotland, but none of us get a say? That seems incredibly unfair to me.

Not wishing to stir it too much but .....

If the UK government had acknowledged and rewarded Scotland appropriately for the contribution that it brings to the union, we wouldn't be in this situation now. Whether right or wrong, the perception for many, many years amongst Scots has been that Scotland has been the poor cousin and that the UK is not inclusive enough of the people that it represents.

As a Scot living in England, I would love to have had a vote, after all it is my country that is affected. But, I'm not living there, that was my choice, it should be up to the people actually living in Scotland that choose its future direction.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Not wishing to stir it too much but .....

If the UK government had acknowledged and rewarded Scotland appropriately for the contribution that it brings to the union, we wouldn't be in this situation now. Whether right or wrong, the perception for many, many years amongst Scots has been that Scotland has been the poor cousin and that the UK is not inclusive enough of the people that it represents.

As a Scot living in England, I would love to have had a vote, after all it is my country that is affected. But, I'm not living there, that was my choice, it should be up to the people actually living in Scotland that choose its future direction.

Spot on. If there is a 'no' vote, I really hope the main parties of Westminster have at the very least learned that and take that on board too and stop using Scotland as a dumping ground and a experiment as to really unpleasant social policies too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Not wishing to stir it too much but .....

If the UK government had acknowledged and rewarded Scotland appropriately for the contribution that it brings to the union, we wouldn't be in this situation now. Whether right or wrong, the perception for many, many years amongst Scots has been that Scotland has been the poor cousin and that the UK is not inclusive enough of the people that it represents.

As a Scot living in England, I would love to have had a vote, after all it is my country that is affected. But, I'm not living there, that was my choice, it should be up to the people actually living in Scotland that choose its future direction.

There are large pockets of social disadvantage across the union, the British government has mismanaged recent sell offs that could have been used to fund projects to improve these... Instead the welfare reforms put the faces of those already down due to unemployment or incapacity into the dirt, and stood on them.
Am I surprised the union is fragmenting? No.
However do I think that either will function effectively independently? No.

It'll be like separating siamese twins with a machete.

[Josy]

Everyone I know are taking their own pens with them to the polling stations because they are insisting pencils are used for the votes, the majority isn't willing to take a chance of having their votes tampered with, which basically says neither side is trusted.

They may even reject votes done in pen.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Josy

Everyone I know are taking their own pens with them to the polling stations because they are insisting pencils are used for the votes, the majority isn't willing to take a chance of having their votes tampered with, which basically says neither side is trusted.

They may even reject votes done in pen.

The idea of that mistrust makes me sad.