[Lee.]

Originally Posted by michael21

the whole of the uk should get to vote as it we affect some outside scotland i say feck off scotland england don't need you

They're certainly acting like they need us

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Lee.

They're certainly acting like they need us

Exactly. If holding onto the Scottish land and people (only 5 million) is so important to England, then does it not follow that Scotland must be a net gain for the UK as a whole? If the loss would genuinely weaken England on the global stage... it's the only thing that makes sense. It simply CANNOT be about the people - 5 million is a significant number but not a HUGE dent in the UK's overall population - it HAS to be about everything else that Scotland has to offer. And if what Scotland has to offer is that important to a country of 60 million - consider... what must it be worth per-head to our own 5 million?

It's just a shame that this didn't come post-industrialisation. Just imagine how rich Scotland would be now if it had been independent before ANY of the oil had been claimed...

[arista]

Alex is live on Bloomberg
talking with the press of the world

[Nedusa]

Apparently when the total amount of Monies spent on welfare, benefits,NHS etc is divided into the total number of people in the UK, there are some interesting figures.

People living in Scotland receive on average Ł1,200 per annum per person more than their English conterparts. This extra money goes to fund free prescriptions,free further education and free old age care for all Scottish people.

So they already get a far better deal already and the current Govt is bending over backwards to offer them more to vote No and stay in the Union.

Why ??

Is it a case of keeping the UK punching above it's weight on the World stage, maybe Scotland should leave the Union.

But why would they want to if they have such a good deal, a deal that will only improve after the next round of "Devolution".




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[Northern Monkey]

Lol.Royal Bank of Scotland is planning to base itself in London in the event of a 'Yes' vote.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If England could vote for independence then, would you vote for England to become independent from the rest of the UK?

what the hell are you talking about i saying england should also get to vote in the scotland independence referendum which is what this thread is about

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by michael21

what the hell are you talking about i saying england should also get to vote in the scotland independence referendum which is what this thread is about

why should England get to vote on another countries independence?

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

why should England get to vote on another countries independence?

because as it stands both come under the UK so seem fair all should be able to vote

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by michael21

because as it stands both come under the UK so seem fair all should be able to vote

No it doesn't, Scotland should decide their own future

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No it doesn't, Scotland should decide their own future

so are you saying the vote does not affect england in anyway

[Kyle]

Michael it's not our decision. Think of Scotland like you would think of your bird...or sock in your case. If she wants to leave just let her go mate.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Michael it's not our decision. Think of Scotland like you would think of your bird...or sock. If she wants to leave just let her go mate.

i want scotland to go it be more fun then

the diggers need to be on stand by

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by michael21

so are you saying the vote does not affect england in anyway

Of course it affects England but England forced Scotland to become part of the UK in the first place so it should be Scotlands choice now whether they want to stay or not, don't you think?

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Of course it affects England but England forced Scotland to become part of the UK in the first place so it should be Scotlands choice now whether they want to stay or not, don't you think?

i did not no that when did this happen

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by michael21

i did not no that when did this happen

1707

[michael21]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

1707

time have move on and we have internet now

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by michael21

time have move on and we have internet now

I wish you had your own talk show Michael I really do.

[Novo]

Won't stop the Union jack being proudly displayed in Glorious Ibrox

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Lol.Royal Bank of Scotland is planning to base itself in London in the event of a 'Yes' vote.

Lloyds are also thinking of moving to London in a 'Yes' vote.Lol,Don't think they've thought this through properly have they?All the businesses are gonna piss of to England.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by NovoBaratheon

Won't stop the Union jack being proudly displayed in Glorious Ibrox

That will never stop us brother.

GSTQ

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Apparently when the total amount of Monies spent on welfare, benefits,NHS etc is divided into the total number of people in the UK, there are some interesting figures.

People living in Scotland receive on average Ł1,200 per annum per person more than their English conterparts. This extra money goes to fund free prescriptions,free further education and free old age care for all Scottish people.

So they already get a far better deal already and the current Govt is bending over backwards to offer them more to vote No and stay in the Union.

Why ??

Is it a case of keeping the UK punching above it's weight on the World stage, maybe Scotland should leave the Union.

But why would they want to if they have such a good deal, a deal that will only improve after the next round of "Devolution".

What you failed to mention is that during that year when Scotland received Ł1200 more public spending per head, is that we actually generated Ł1700 more of tax per head.


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Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Lol.Royal Bank of Scotland is planning to base itself in London in the event of a 'Yes' vote.

More scaremongering. The RBS May or may not re-register it's head office in London.. This would be a paper only excercises and operations would not be moved, not would jobs be lost or moved down south.

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Lloyds are also thinking of moving to London in a 'Yes' vote.Lol,Don't think they've thought this through properly have they?All the businesses are gonna piss of to England.

More scaremongering again. The head office for lloyds bank is already situated in London, and has been for 100 years.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Lloyds are also thinking of moving to London in a 'Yes' vote.Lol,Don't think they've thought this through properly have they?All the businesses are gonna piss of to England.

This is a misrepresentation. They have all mentioned "considerations", but of course they'll be considering their position. In reality, it will likely come down to what happens in the few years immediately following independence at which point these large businesses will be able to assess what's best for them financially. Relocating and restaffing is a HUGE expense. None of them are realistically going to do it unless there are even bigger financial implications in staying. Essentially... it'll come down to Scotland offering them sweet enough incentives to stay, which they almost certainly will.

There's a very good reason that many large UK businesses base themselves out of Dublin, Jersey, etc...

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Of course it affects England but England forced Scotland to become part of the UK in the first place so it should be Scotlands choice now whether they want to stay or not, don't you think?

Originally Posted by michael21

i did not no that when did this happen

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

1707

[Novo]

All the Scottish clubs should apply to play in the English football league quickly, or we should just offer them a place to put the final nail in the SNPs coffin

[Lee.]

Keep a hold of that nail until next Thursday Andy Then we'll see where it's to be hammered