[Vicky.]

Payne was the last one to see Maddie alive (except her parents) at about 6.30pm ish. The visit lasted 30 minutes according to him, 30 seconds according to kate. And was totally written out of the reconstruction so it seems it didnt happen at all now

The doctor who checked on the kids was Matthew Oldfield. He said he saw the twins, but didnt actually see Maddie. But since everything was quiet he though it was fine.

[fingers]

I am still of the opinion that Maddie died from an overdose of a sedative to keep her asleep while her parents enjoyed the high life.

[arista]

Originally Posted by fingers

I am still of the opinion that Maddie died from an overdose of a sedative to keep her asleep while her parents enjoyed the high life.

OK


The body is in what place ?

[fingers]

Originally Posted by arista

OK


The body is in what place ?

Don't ask me, ask Gerry.

[Kazanne]

For anyone interested this is interesting too
http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t83...-now-on-page-1

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

For anyone interested this is interesting too
http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t83...-now-on-page-1

Yes, the 'new' suspect is NOT new. Was just pretty much ignored by the parents for years. I think she did acknowledge it in her book but she swears that the smith sighting was the same person as Jane Tanners man. Despite there being nearly an hour between the sightings and such

I suspect the reason it was kept quiet is because Smith said that he was 60-80% sure the guy he saw was Gerry...though he has changed his mind since, after a visit from their spokesperson

Cant believe the times has been allowed to run with that story actually..they should expect to be sued shortly I imagine.

A statement released by the Find Madeleine fund said that “all information privately gathered during the search for Madeleine has been fully acted upon where necessary” and had been passed to Scotland Yard.

Hmm..yeah sure..

[fingers]

This is a 112 page PDF file free to download, purporting to tell the true story of Medeleine's disappearance.

> http://freepdfhosting.com/9099bef539.pdf

[Kizzy]

It says file cannot be loaded on here grrr!
If anyone reads it cut and paste any interesting bits here please.
Have to say it's crazy that gerry blames press intrusion for hampering the case, then withholds eyewitness accounts?....

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It says file cannot be loaded on here grrr!
If anyone reads it cut and paste any interesting bits here please.
Have to say it's crazy that gerry blames press intrusion for hampering the case, then withholds eyewitness accounts?....

Kizzy what platform are you using?

http://get.adobe.com/uk/reader/

[fingers]

Try this one Kizzy

> http://www.promptfile.com/l/DB5589D447-C1102BCE3A it's a PDF file and you need a PDF reader to see it, Jesus has posted a link to a reader.

[chuff me dizzy]

EXACTLY what I said had happened which some laughed at ,eat your words folks ....... http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...cle1332785.ece

[Josy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

EXACTLY what I said had happened which some laughed at ,eat your words folks ....... http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...cle1332785.ece

Can you stop making such inflammatory posts in here please, members are having a discussion and are learning new things about this case it's not some kind of competition to get one up one people because you think you know more than others.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Can you stop making such inflammatory posts in here please, members are having a discussion and are learning new things about this case it's not some kind of competition to get one up one people because you think you know more than others.

I would say I told you so too!

There were some rather rude objections to chuffs views earlier in the thread.
So she's been vindicated as far as I can see.

[Kizzy]

It's ok i'm on a mobile thing will have a look when i'm on a PC though

[Vicky.]

I wonder how (other) people who donated to the fund feel that their money was used to hush up vital leads rather than follow all leads as promised..

[Kizzy]

The full article is in the comments in the link posted by fingers chuff

[user104658]

The press have been all over this like flies around ****e for the last month or so, despite there being nothing genuinely new... And a lot of the press attention has gone from being "pro McCann", the generally indifferent, to McCann-skeptical.

My opinion? the mass press has started to realise that it was being hoodwinked by a "simple" story all those years ago, that there's clearly more to it than meets the eye, and they're now slowly softening up the public for more "revelations" to keep outrage to a minimum.

[Vicky.]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ed-report.html

Telegraph running with this now too. Interesting parts..

But the report was sidelined for five years by Gerry and Kate McCann because it was critical of people involved and would have caused a distraction if made public, The Sunday Times reported.

The team of hand-picked former MI5 agents was hired by the McCanns in the spring of 2008, 10 months after their daughter disappeared from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz.

A report they produced was “hypercritical” of the McCanns and their friends and the authors were threatened with legal action if it were ever published, the paper reported.

SY had to actually contact the author too..

[MTVN]

Been vindicated in what, the article might cause a bit of suspicion but it still doesn't prove anything and is not unexplainable

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Been vindicated in what, the article might cause a bit of suspicion but it still doesn't prove anything and is not unexplainable

Can you think of an explanation of why they would willingly conceal valuable info like that if they were serious about finding their daughter? Genuinely curious.

They have had E-fits of the prime suspect for the past 5 years. They have shoved E-fits of Jane Tanners sighting down our throats at every opportunity..ITS STILL ON THEIR SITE (10 days later) DESPITE SY SAYING HE IS INNOCENT. http://www.findmadeleine.com/campaig...ed_people.html

They said they were following all leads, yet buried this.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Can you think of an explanation of why they would willingly conceal valuable info like that if they were serious about finding their daughter? Genuinely curious.

They have had E-fits of the prime suspect for the past 5 years. They have shoved E-fits of Jane Tanners sighting down our throats at every opportunity..ITS STILL ON THEIR SITE (10 days later) DESPITE SY SAYING HE IS INNOCENT.

They said they were following all leads, yet buried this.

The Sunday Times article offers some explanations:

So why was such a “crucial” piece of evidence kept under lock and key?

The relationship between the fund and Oakley was already souring by the time the report was submitted — and its findings could only have made matters worse.

As well as questioning parts of the McCanns’ evidence, it contained sensitive information about Madeleine’s sleeping patterns and raised the highly sensitive possibility that she could have died in an accident after leaving the apartment herself from one of two unsecured doors.

There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.

The McCanns were also understandably wary of Oakley after allegations that the chairman, Kevin Halligen, failed to pass on money paid by the fund to Exton’s team. Halligen denies this. He was later convicted of fraud in an unrelated case in the US.

The McCann fund source said the Oakley report was passed on to new private investigators after the contract ended, but that the firm’s work was considered “contaminated” by the financial dispute.

He said the fund wanted to continue to pursue information about the man seen by Tanner, and it would have been too expensive to investigate both sightings in full — so the Smith E-Fits were not publicised. It was also considered necessary to threaten legal action against the authors.

“[The report] was hypercritical of the people involved . . . It just wouldn’t be conducive to the investigation to have that report publicly declared because . . . the newspapers would have been all over it. And it would have been completely distracting,” said the source.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Can you think of an explanation of why they would willingly conceal valuable info like that if they were serious about finding their daughter? Genuinely curious.

They have had E-fits of the prime suspect for the past 5 years. They have shoved E-fits of Jane Tanners sighting down our throats at every opportunity..ITS STILL ON THEIR SITE (10 days later) DESPITE SY SAYING HE IS INNOCENT. http://www.findmadeleine.com/campaig...ed_people.html

They said they were following all leads, yet buried this.

McCanns made Maddie a ward of court DAYS after her demise (not expecting her home?) By doing this her medical records can never be shown and McCanns get to see all paperwork from the case ,why would anyone go to these lenghts? whats in her medical records they have got to keep hidden ?Under ward of court law Maddie medical records will not be available to see until 2052 ,a bit drastic in an "abduction "case dont you think ?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

McCanns made Maddie a ward of court DAYS after her demise (not expecting her home?) By doing this her medical records can never be shown and McCanns get to see all paperwork from the case ,why would anyone go to these lenghts? whats in her medical records they have got to keep hidden ?Under ward of court law Maddie medical records will not be available to see until 2052 ,a bit drastic in an "abduction "case dont you think ?

Really good point Chuff,I for one thankyou for bringing so much of this to light,I never knew half of what happened in this case,so many unanswered questions.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Really good point Chuff,I for one thankyou for bringing so much of this to light,I never knew half of what happened in this case,so many unanswered questions.

Lots more to come Kaz ,Today they have dug up another dead Patsy ,everytime the heat gets hot they drag out another