[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I have to say I really want to believe and feel for these two,just pix like this make it kinda hard.


The McCanns in a rare moment of emotional sincerity shortly after the "abduction" of their daughter.

This is the kind of crap that really gets to me... This photo does not not suggest nor prove anything! It's simply horrible insinuation.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

This is the kind of crap that really gets to me... This photo does not not suggest nor prove anything! It's simply horrible insinuation.

Do you have children Lee ?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Do you have children Lee ?

Yes 2. Why?

[Marsh.]

That has no relevance to the photograph whether she has children.

It's a split second photograph with no context.

We've gone from it being about supposed facts, to a photograph of them.

[Kizzy]

I think the point was would you or I be capable of this 14 days after the abduction of our children, I honestly don't think I would.
That's how I see it anyway.

[Vicky.]

Yeah, hanging everything on a photo is a bit daft. Yes its been reported that they were unusually upbeat very very soon after she disappeared, BUT some people cope differently.

You cannot expect anyone to never smile again, no matter what horrible thing they have had thrown at them.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think the point was would you or I be capable of this 14 days after the abduction of our children, I honestly don't think I would.
That's how I see it anyway.

Capable of what? Walking?

[Kizzy]

Looking so relaxed and happy, that's the vibe I get from the pic anyway.
Everyones interpretation will differ though won't it?

[Marsh.]

Yeah, but all that from a split second photo? Not fair to judge.

Like making someone look bladdered when you catch them half blinking.

If your argument is that they are guilty, and you think what you've provided are cold hard facts (even though they don't really stack up), then pictures like this just prove that deep down you know that you don't have the facts.

If I post a pic of them crying taken a couple of days after the "abduction", then that must prove their innocence by this logic.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Looking so relaxed and happy, that's the vibe I get from the pic anyway.
Everyones interpretation will differ though won't it?

Somebody could be shouting good wishes to them, they may be mid conversation, Kate could be squinting at the sun, it's just a photograph taken in a split second.

[Ammi]

..wasn't that a big part of the speculations in the first place and also what the Portugese didn't like, that they didn't 'look' upset enough, so that would assume then that they possibly knew more about her disappearance....I always thought it seemed bizarre that there must be some kind of human template of how parents should 'look' in that situation....

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..wasn't that a big part of the speculations in the first place and also what the Portugese didn't like, that they didn't 'look' upset enough, so that would assume then that they possibly knew more about her disappearance....I always thought it seemed bizarre that there must be some kind of human template of how parents should 'look' in that situation....

Yes, and I'd find it even more odd if they looked this "normal" after having something to do with their daughters death, then managing to conceal a dead body so well that it's never been found.

[Kizzy]

I have said it's down to personal interpretation, and that it was only my view... I appreciate it's not widely accepted.
The facts that don't 'stack up' confuse me, as said many times links provided are not meant to 'prove' anything... They're just information on the situation as it was given at the time by those directly involved.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have said it's down to personal interpretation, and that it was only my view... I appreciate it's not widely accepted.
The facts that don't 'stack up' confuse me, as said many times links provided are not meant to 'prove' anything... They're just information on the situation as it was given at the time by those directly involved.

Same for me Kizzy,I am not saying they have done anything wrong BUT I cannot dismiss a lot of things that are there in black and white and even some shades of grey,I posted the pic simply because it is strange to me that someone who had lost a child could even raise the strength to walkabout,plus it is not the only picture like this on the net.there are quite a lot!!!,I just find that reaction weird,I am not asking anyone else to feel the same,we all have our opinions and mine is total confusion and this reaction to ME is totally alien.

[chuff me dizzy]

If only people would come off of playing silly quizzes and take a day or 2 to read the police files ,witness statement as thousands of people have, they would see the larger picture, but some folk are more then happy to plod on believe the red tops and not giving a flying one for an innocent child ,as long they are ok ,sod the rest, gladly thats not my attitude or thousands of others, since Crimewatch aired 7 days ago,one group alone that I am in has had 11,000 new members who HAVE read files etc ,and are now also fighting for justice for Maddie

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have said it's down to personal interpretation, and that it was only my view... I appreciate it's not widely accepted.
The facts that don't 'stack up' confuse me, as said many times links provided are not meant to 'prove' anything... They're just information on the situation as it was given at the time by those directly involved.

I really didn't want to quote you here, but as you've indirectly quoted me, then I sort of have to really. Your post above seems reasonable enough. Just personal opinion no advancement of your own views, etc etc.

Lets ask Kizzy from the previous page what she thinks about the evidence:

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Or, if you look at it another way; Facts...
All links provided on this thread by interested parties are to evidence as presented as part of the case, not heresay or opinion.
Specific information such as witness statements and evidence found at the time and or since.
It is easy to suggest opinions are wrong when it relates to speculation, but when commenting on the actual testimony of those involved it's different I would say.

Right, so the links in this thread are not meant to prove anything, but they are evidence, and not heresay?

Well that's wrong as well. Just by picking apart one piece of the facts on display from those links, which is easily done with the dogs, for example, then the whole thing is called into question. They aren't facts. It's an internet trolling group that get together to hound the McCanns, because they are convinced of their guilt. Chuff has made that perfectly clear in this thread already. When you click the links, they aren't people who are just throwing interesting things about the case into the public arena for s**ts and giggles, they're doing it to try and provide "evidence" for the guilt of the McCanns

Witness statements are notoriously unreliable because of the way the human brain works to recall information, and especially in times of great stress. There are no solid facts to be found in this case other than a child is missing, that's it. So speculating about photo's and the grieving process with hints and double entendre is really neither here nor there.

[chuff me dizzy]

For the first time in over 6 years I think the press is finally waking up to what happened, this is from the Mirror, read all the comments and see how many "likes" they got ,and the rare thing is usually within half an hour of comments being allowed they are all removed and comments not allowed ,it give me hope that finally someone is opening their eyes and letting talk about the police side of the case too, hoping this is the breakthrough we have waited for http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/vile-tr...mccann-2472668

And when articles about 9/11 appear, it's the "truthers" that bombard the comments sections as well.

[the truth]

why haven't they been at ;least investigated by social services for neglecting their babies abroad FOR YEARS

[the truth]

Have they financially gained from the various monies raised in the maddie campaign?

[the truth]

how can we justify spending millions on them and not on other missing children?
why too have these endless documentaries not mentioned madeleine had a mark on one eye , it may also be a different color?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I really didn't want to quote you here, but as you've indirectly quoted me, then I sort of have to really. Your post above seems reasonable enough. Just personal opinion no advancement of your own views, etc etc.

Lets ask Kizzy from the previous page what she thinks about the evidence:



Right, so the links in this thread are not meant to prove anything, but they are evidence, and not heresay?

Well that's wrong as well. Just by picking apart one piece of the facts on display from those links, which is easily done with the dogs, for example, then the whole thing is called into question. They aren't facts. It's an internet trolling group that get together to hound the McCanns, because they are convinced of their guilt. Chuff has made that perfectly clear in this thread already. When you click the links, they aren't people who are just throwing interesting things about the case into the public arena for s**ts and giggles, they're doing it to try and provide "evidence" for the guilt of the McCanns

Witness statements are notoriously unreliable because of the way the human brain works to recall information, and especially in times of great stress. There are no solid facts to be found in this case other than a child is missing, that's it. So speculating about photo's and the grieving process with hints and double entendre is really neither here nor there.

As you must know I do not usually answer your rubbish ,but this time I will make an exception ,Can you please tell me what Maddie groups you have been on ,and what give you the right to call people trolls ?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

For the first time in over 6 years I think the press is finally waking up to what happened, this is from the Mirror, read all the comments and see how many "likes" they got ,and the rare thing is usually within half an hour of comments being allowed they are all removed and comments not allowed ,it give me hope that finally someone is opening their eyes and letting talk about the police side of the case too, hoping this is the breakthrough we have waited for http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/vile-tr...mccann-2472668

you don't know jack, the same as everyone else,
if there was enough proof to prove what happened it would of been out by now, even if it was for or against the mccanns

there is no cover up, just not enough hard evidence.

let the professionals do their jobs, not the bloody internet police putting two and two together coming up with five.