[Parmy]

Can I guess that you believe the law has the final say joey, no matter what any off us think because the law has spoken and that is final?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Can I guess that you believe the law has the final say joey, no matter what any off us think because the law has spoken and that is final?

The law is very important to me yes and I accept mistakes are made of course.

However this was a jury trial, with a formidable prosecutor in court cross examining MJ.
Years of investigation from police etc.

Which resulted in all charges being given not guilty verdicts.

This was where accusers and accused got their say and were challenged and questioned as to all elements of the charges.

These 2 have sat talking to a camera.
Not challenged as to their claims, no court environment, never likely to be.

Plus the person accused long dead and not able to contradict or put his side to their claims.
Made after near decades of knowing him

So on this yes, I the law had its way with MJ and investigated him thoroughly, charged him and tried him.

That can't be done now and this pair know thst too.

So yes, on this the law had its say on MJ.
From a full extensive trial.

As for final say, this pair claimed their final say over a decade ago was MJ was innocent.
Not then supporting others claiming MJ abused them.

Now they are making claims like them, with a money claim pending too.
Well after MJ has died, and they knew he'd left nothing to them in his estate.

Yes, on this I think and believe the law was right.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The law is very important to me yes and I accept mistakes are made of course.

However this was a jury trial, with a formidable prosecutor in court cross examining MJ.
Years of investigation from police etc.

Which resulted in all charges being given not guilty verdicts.

This was where accusers and accused got their say and were challenged and questioned as to all elements of the charges.

These 2 have sat talking to a camera.
Not challenged as to their claims, no court environment, never likely to be.

Plus the person accused long dead and not able to contradict or put his side to their claims.
Made after near decades of knowing him

So on this yes, I the law had its way with MJ and investigated him thoroughly, charged him and tried him.

That can't be done now and this pair know thst too.

So yes, on this the law had its say on MJ.
From a full extensive trial.

As for final say, this pair claimed their final say over a decade ago was MJ was innocent.
Not then supporting others claiming MJ abused them.

Now they are making claims like them, with a money claim pending too.
Well after MJ has died, and they knew he'd left nothing to them in his estate.

Yes, on this I think and believe the law was right.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The law is very important to me yes and I accept mistakes are made of course.

However this was a jury trial, with a formidable prosecutor in court cross examining MJ.
Years of investigation from police etc.

Which resulted in all charges being given not guilty verdicts.

This was where accusers and accused got their say and were challenged and questioned as to all elements of the charges.

These 2 have sat talking to a camera.
Not challenged as to their claims, no court environment, never likely to be.

Plus the person accused long dead and not able to contradict or put his side to their claims.
Made after near decades of knowing him

So on this yes, I the law had its way with MJ and investigated him thoroughly, charged him and tried him.

That can't be done now and this pair know thst too.

So yes, on this the law had its say on MJ.
From a full extensive trial.

As for final say, this pair claimed their final say over a decade ago was MJ was innocent.
Not then supporting others claiming MJ abused them.

Now they are making claims like them, with a money claim pending too.
Well after MJ has died, and they knew he'd left nothing to them in his estate.

Yes, on this I think and believe the law was right.

Michael Jackson is dead, and I don't care. So I appreciate and understand your view and reasoning on this one, but can I maybe lean you slightly to my argument about the last few years and the metoo movement and the high profile cases surrounding that.

Maybe these messed up, because that is what they are. Maybe these messed up young men, thrust into the limelight, into their dream you could say......maybe now..after the last couple of years have thankfully been able to feel strong enough to speak up, on camera for no money.

[Parmy]

Imagine him running amok with them all in his Jim jams....**** sake..money does indeed talk.

[Parmy]

Kiss cuddle or tickle..

[Parmy]

Is it safe to trust the law though?...people have been hung for simply shouting let him have it chris, in the uk...and that's before we mention what innocent people have been hung in the USA.

And why isn't elvis being dug up for dna testing?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Is it safe to trust the law though?...people have been hung for simply shouting let him have it chris, in the uk...and that's before we mention what innocent people have been hung in the USA.

And why isn't elvis being dug up for dna testing?

Now you leave Elvis alone

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Now you leave Elvis alone

Elvis Married Priscilla when she was 14 years old but i guess that's ok??

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Elvis Married Priscilla when she was 14 years old but i guess that's ok??

No, both are really, really wrong.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

No, both are really, really wrong.

And yet Elvis is still seen as the KING of rock and roll

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Elvis Married Priscilla when she was 14 years old but i guess that's ok??

Of course it is Goldheart,also Jerry Lee Lewis,I did hear something about Elvis but I will leave that little surprise until I know more.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Of course it is Goldheart,also Jerry Lee Lewis,I did hear something about Elvis but I will leave that little surprise until I know more.

Jerry Lee Lewis, married his cousin, she was 13

To wrongs don’t make a right.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Of course it is Goldheart,also Jerry Lee Lewis,I did hear something about Elvis but I will leave that little surprise until I know more.

I bet Roman Polanski will be praised as well.

I was just as surprised by Elvis as well , I guess when you have a relationship & MARRY a minor then it's ok ?? . Jerry Lee Lewis is even worse ,he lied about her age and said she was 15 which would of still been weird but yeah she was actually 13 !!!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Elvis Married Priscilla when she was 14 years old but i guess that's ok??

22 to be exact,NOT 14

https://priscilla.elvispresley.com.au

[Parmy]

Elvis was my hero growing up, when i look at him i dont see sex case..I sat today in a cafe in romford decorated with elvis memorabilia....laughing into my poached eggs on toast.nodding at my work mate kev, "aye, he was another one, good music though"

[Parmy]

But my granny still loves cliff(the uks elvis)....rip minnie.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

But my granny still loves cliff(the uks elvis)....rip minnie.

Unless i've missed something Cliff never married a minor , plus one of his accusers was a convicted rapist

[Parmy]

O

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Unless i've missed something Cliff never married a minor , plus one of his accusers was a convicted rapist

Eh..what the heck. .I'm on about his lip...no wasn't really. .listen..the BBC covered up.for Saville. .the royals covered up for Saville. ..cliffs names been involved...ask yourself why? Why clif, of all people

[Parmy]

Not excusing a rapist but im not surprised if he was one of the boys passed around in those days.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Not excusing a rapist but im not surprised if he was one of the boys passed around in those days.

Actually it sounds exactly like you ARE excusing him.
The guy is known to be a rapist with severe schizophrenia , he's about as credible as a paper roof in a snow blizzard .

Once again Cliff was treated like a criminal and his home was raided and he was investigated and he was proved INNOCENT! . That's how the law works, if we suddenly go against that then what's the point ??? .

Also the BBC never covered for Cliff , they treated him like crap , however yes they covered for Saville which was disgusting.

[thesheriff443]

Would an innocent man give 21 million to a blackmailer?

After being blackmailed would you continue to have kids sleep at your house?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Would an innocent man give 21 million to a blackmailer?

After being blackmailed would you continue to have kids sleep at your house?

Yeah lets all ignore a huge chunk of facts shall we like how Evan Chandler was a sleazy con artist who was recorded on tape!!! talking about getting everything he can out of MJ .

Jordy never said he was abused until his dad drugged him to lie . In 2005 Jody was nowhere to be seen to testify . So if it wasn't just about money on the familie's side why didn't they testify again??? .

And if you do your research you'll realise in some of these cases they could still report MJ to the authorities despite "huge pay outs" , but once they got their money they conveniently forgot everything and moved on.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah lets all ignore a huge chunk of facts shall we like how Evan Chandler was a sleazy con artist who was recorded on tape!!! talking about getting everything he can out of MJ .

Jordy never said he was abused until his dad drugged him to lie . In 2005 Jody was nowhere to be seen to testify . So if it wasn't just about money on the familie's side why didn't they testify again??? .

And if you do your research you'll realise in some of these cases they could still report MJ to the authorities despite "huge pay outs" , but once they got their money they conveniently forgot everything and moved on.

So if these people are con artist’s and blackmailers why on Earth would you pay them?

And you say despite him giving them the money they could still report him!, even more of a reason to go to the cops and report them.

Don’t tell me to do research when the golden rule is, you should never give in to blackmailers.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Would an innocent man give 21 million to a blackmailer?

After being blackmailed would you continue to have kids sleep at your house?

By handing over the £21m he admitted guilt IMO