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Rory · 21-10-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick

The whole of America is a ****ing joke!

Thats a joke Everyone in the world will get seeing as Americans seem to have pissed a country of one way or another!

And to the person who said Irelands 'Claim to fame is Bono and U2'

That just proves how you think every country Wants to be 'Famous' in the way America is,

Countries like Ireland and England arent as self centered and In your face, as America is!

Thats why Ireland dosent need to have Hundreds of Superstars and Cheesy Movies to be a good country!

Just look at that thread posted yesterday about Ireland being the best Country to live in, Is America even on the Top 10?

Nope,

Like some other American said in this thread..

"As the Good Old saying goes, When America Sneezes the Whole World gets a cold"

Its not a GOOD OLD Saying, but I find it funny how Americans take that as a compliment, that proves how America think there the only country in the world just because they have alot of people!

The definition of an ignorant member right here.

"That just proves how you think every country Wants to be 'Famous' in the way America is" - That's quite a stretch there. You're analyzing my words too much; "fame" doesn't mean simply in the entertainment industry, it means notoriety. Hitler's famous, but I'd hardly call him an entertainer.

"Countries like Ireland and England arent as self centered and In your face, as America is!" - The members in this thread (including yourself) prove you wrong.

"Thats why Ireland dosent need to have Hundreds of Superstars and Cheesy Movies to be a good country!" - But if they could, they'd jump on it like hell.

"Just look at that thread posted yesterday about Ireland being the best Country to live in, Is America even on the Top 10?" - Irish are the farthest thing from self-centered, eh?

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Its not a GOOD OLD Saying, but I find it funny how Americans take that as a compliment, that proves how America think there the only country in the world just because they have alot of people!" - No, we don't think that because we have "alot of people" (grammar mistake there, but I suppose since Ireland's such a great country to live in grammar doesn't matter!), it's because America is the economic center of the world apart from China. I'm not saying our social customs are the greatest, I dislike the Bible Belt as much as anyone else here and I live in it - but economically and politically we are one of the most powerful countries in the world.

Rory · 21-10-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

I'm not getting involved in this argument but did you actually say what I think you said in regard to Ireland?

Yes I did. I was being as ignorant as the Irish are to the Americans in this thread. But they didn't seem to mind.

Stu · 21-10-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rory

Also, to the American-bashing Irish here, I'll bring it back to my earlier point: America has produced some of the world's greatest leaders in politics, civil rights, entertainment, and math/science. America and its culture pervades nearly every aspect of your life everyday in a major way, not only on a humor level. Ireland's claim to fame is Bono and the potato famine.

Just like the great quote says, "When America sneezes the whole world catches a cold."

You DO know most of us don't actually WANT to catch what America spreads and actively resent it?

And you DO you know anything about your own country? The Irish have a huge political and social dynasty in all aspects of American life. A large percentage of Americans claim either German or Irish ancestry. We built quiet a lot of the east coast.

Come to think of it, you Americans are incredibly young. Your all just comprised of transplants from other countries. What is an American? You are US! And you just proved what everybody has been saying in this thread about the sheer ignorance of your country :

The Irish only gave the world Bono & The Potato Famine? I bashed the underbelly of America when acknowledging and respecting it's great achievements and dominant culture. You claim Ireland just gave the world Bono and a Famine.

Read some ****ing Joyce and get back to me.

Wildcat! · 21-10-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ProbeEight

You DO know most of us don't actually WANT to catch what America spreads and actively resent it?

And you DO you know anything about your own country? The Irish have a huge political and social dynasty in all aspects of American life. A large percentage of Americans claim either German or Irish ancestry. We built quiet a lot of the east coast.

Come to think of it, you Americans are incredibly young. Your all just comprised of transplants from other countries. What is an American? You are US! And you just proved what everybody has been saying in this thread about the sheer ignorance of your country :

The Irish only gave the world Bono & The Potato Famine? I bashed the underbelly of America when acknowledging and respecting it's great achievements and dominant culture. You claim Ireland just gave the world Bono and a Famine.

Read some ****ing Joyce and get back to me.

Again, it was a joke. THe irony, of how the Americans dont get British humor.

Rory · 21-10-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ProbeEight

You DO know most of us don't actually WANT to catch what America spreads and actively resent it?

And you DO you know anything about your own country? The Irish have a huge political and social dynasty in all aspects of American life. A large percentage of Americans claim either German or Irish ancestry. We built quiet a lot of the east coast.

Come to think of it, you Americans are incredibly young. Your all just comprised of transplants from other countries. What is an American? You are US! And you just proved what everybody has been saying in this thread about the sheer ignorance of your country :

The Irish only gave the world Bono & The Potato Famine? I bashed the underbelly of America when acknowledging and respecting it's great achievements and dominant culture. You claim Ireland just gave the world Bono and a Famine.

Read some ****ing Joyce and get back to me.

Maybe you don't understand the meaning of the quote, when America suffers the world does as well. And yes I do know the history of my country, but to be honest, the Irish took just as much part in building America than any other country. I'm not saying that Ireland did nothing, I'm just saying it doesn't deserve recognition over other countries for "building a large part of the east coast". If we're talking in that sense, the English did.

America is a melting pot, but what's funny is that you're basically bashing a culture that your people created. And glad you picked up on the ignorance of my comment, but you were magnifying the "Gawd Bless America" perspective to represent the entire country. I hardly call what you've been saying "acknowledging and respecting its great achievements and dominant culture", but either: a) I'm getting the anti-Americans mixed up in this thread or b) it's "humor" that my silly American mind doesn't understand.

Wildcat! · 21-10-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rory

I hardly call what you've been saying "acknowledging and respecting its great achievements and dominant culture", but either: a) I'm getting the anti-Americans mixed up in this thread or b) it's "humor" that my silly American mind doesn't understand.

Stu · 21-10-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rory

Maybe you don't understand the meaning of the quote, when America suffers the world does as well. And yes I do know the history of my country, but to be honest, the Irish took just as much part in building America than any other country. I'm not saying that Ireland did nothing, I'm just saying it doesn't deserve recognition over other countries for "building a large part of the east coast". If we're talking in that sense, the English did.

America is a melting pot, but what's funny is that you're basically bashing a culture that your people created. And glad you picked up on the ignorance of my comment, but you were magnifying the "Gawd Bless America" perspective to represent the entire country. I hardly call what you've been saying "acknowledging and respecting its great achievements and dominant culture", but either: a) I'm getting the anti-Americans mixed up in this thread or b) it's "humor" that my silly American mind doesn't understand.

Bless, he is trying to communicate.

I say :

''I think most people in this thread are thinking of the typical ''gawd bless America'' American of conservative suburbia. And there politics are rotten to the very core man.''

You say :

''You were magnifying the "Gawd Bless America" perspective to represent the entire country.''

Compare and contrast. I was clearly never blanketing the whole of America. It's your problem that you think I was. And it's your problem that you fought this with reverse ignorance. And it's your problem if you think today's American culture is something the Irish created.

A total of 36,495,800 Americans (more than 12% of total population) reported Irish ancestry in the 2006 American Community Survey.

Bono and the potato famine. Christ, I really do get the American style of humor now.

Rory · 21-10-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ProbeEight

Bless, he is trying to communicate.

I say :

''I think most people in this thread are thinking of the typical ''gawd bless America'' American of conservative suburbia. And there politics are rotten to the very core man.''

You say :

''You were magnifying the "Gawd Bless America" perspective to represent the entire country.''

Compare and contrast. I was clearly never blanketing the whole of America. It's your problem that you think I was. And it's your problem that you fought this with reverse ignorance. And it's your problem if you think today's American culture is something the Irish created.

A total of 36,495,800 Americans (more than 12% of total population) reported Irish ancestry in the 2006 American Community Survey.

Bono and the potato famine. Christ, I really do get the American style of humor now.

Sorry, getting you and your fellow Irishman mixed up in some quotes.

Surely people of Irish ancestry (as well as every other ancestry in the world) are pioneering today's culture, so no need to flash the fact that 12% of Americans claim Irish ancestry.

Wildcat! · 21-10-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ProbeEight

Bless, he is trying to communicate.

This is exactly what I mean!! This type of attitude is what I find deplorable.

*mazedsalv** · 21-10-2009, 08:48 PM

Stereotype LOL

But i completely understand where your coming from.

Wildcat! · 21-10-2009, 08:55 PM

Another thing that irritates me, that the british people say, it was dumbed down for the american audience. WHo the Fcuk says that?
The fact is, they dont find most british shows, or program, because they find it boring. I find most of them boring. YOu guys dont because you are used to it. Go talk to some British who have grown up in the US, and see what they think. GO ask people what their favorite TV shows are, and see what they say, even here in the UK.

I am not American, I have been exposed to their culture, and I have been exposed to the British culture as well. But I call it, how I see, it. At least, over there, I didnt have to deal with snobbery.

Patrick · 21-10-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Another thing that irritates me, that the british people say, it was dumbed down for the american audience. WHo the Fcuk says that?
The fact is, they dont find most british shows, or program, because they find it boring. I find most of them boring. YOu guys dont because you are used to it. Go talk to some British who have grown up in the US, and see what they think. GO ask people what their favorite TV shows are, and see what they say, even here in the UK.

I am not American, I have been exposed to their culture, and I have been exposed to the British culture as well. But I call it, how I see, it. At least, over there, I didnt have to deal with snobbery.

So your trying to say America arent snobs?

Their the most big headed, people in the world who think no one else matters but them!

And I have seen alot of Americans on Forums like this who love UK shows that they watch on Youtube,

And have complained how they dont get to watch it in USA,

Yet were forced to have their bullshit shoved in our faces,
Its not just TV Shows,

Its everything even on little Advertisments Its like..

"10 Thousand Americans die of Aids a year (Aids is just an example btw) You can help donate..."

Why the **** does the UK need to know how many Americans die a year?

When we have our own problems

Wildcat! · 21-10-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick

So your trying to say America arent snobs?

Their the most big headed, people in the world who think no one else matters but them!

And I have seen alot of Americans on Forums like this who love UK shows that they watch on Youtube,

And have complained how they dont get to watch it in USA,

Yet were forced to have their bullshit shoved in our faces,
Its not just TV Shows,

Its everything even on little Advertisments Its like..

"10 Thousand Americans die of Aids a year (Aids is just an example btw) You can help donate..."

Why the **** does the UK need to know how many Americans die a year?

When we have our own problems

of course you have seen a lot of Americans on youtube complaining about it. Its only natural. Who goes on Youtube to watch UK shows? The people who are interested in the British shows of course. NAturally they will be complaining. But thats a minority of people. There are always exception to the rule. The average audience, doesnt go on Youtube to look for UK shows.

ANd guess what, you have the U TV shows shoved down your throat, because people want to watch them. If people didnt, it wouldnt be on your screen. Same reason why the UK shows arent on TV asede from some specialised networks, because people dont want to watch them.

setanta · 21-10-2009, 08:59 PM

I think it's a cultural thing really. America is a relatively new country and with that comes a certain youthful naivety in how they live their lives and express themselves. They don't have the trials of history that weigh heavily on European's minds and so they refuse to look at the more grey areas of life, and instead ride out in pursuit of their dreams and ideals.

I'm actually rather fond of this trait that can be found in many Americans but it sometimes makes them very rigid in how they approach life, incapable or unwilling to accept or understand other ways of life. They don't like to dwell on the darkness... on the chaos that's lurking within us all, which means that some of our humour and idiosyncrasies are lost on them - bewildering to them even. They're an insular kind of nation really.

Wildcat! · 21-10-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

I think it's a cultural thing really. America is a relatively new country and with that comes a certain youthful naivety in how they live their lives and express themselves. They don't have the trials of history that weigh heavily on European's minds and so they refuse to look at the more grey areas of life, and instead ride out in pursuit of their dreams and ideals.

I'm actually rather fond of this trait that can be found in many Americans but it sometimes makes them very rigid in how they approach life, incapable or unwilling to accept or understand other ways of life. They don't like to dwell on the darkness... on the chaos that's lurking within us all, which means that some of our humour and idiosyncrasies are lost on them - bewildering to them even. They're an insular kind of nation really.

I completely disagree with this. IN fact, I find that americans, are a lot more flexible, when it comes to accepting other ways of life. I felt a lot more comfortable, and accepted over there for my origins, and culture, than I ever did over here. YOu have to comform a lot more in Britain than you do in the US. Granted, when they first meet you in the US, generally, they are pretty ignorant of other people's culture, usually die to lack of exposure. BUt they are very willing to learn, and are a lot more accepting. The fact that its a country of immigrant facilitates that.

setanta · 21-10-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat!

I completely disagree with this. IN fact, I find that americans, are a lot more flexible, when it comes to accepting other ways of life. I felt a lot more comfortable, and accepted over there for my origins, and culture, than I ever did over here. YOu have to comform a lot more in Britain than you do in the US. Granted, when they first meet you in the US, generally, they are pretty ignorant of other people's culture, usually die to lack of exposure. BUt they are very willing to learn, and are a lot more accepting. The fact that its a country of immigrant facilitates that.

I'm generalising here of course but I would disagree with you on this to a certain extent. There's still huge class divisions in America and they're far more draconian in how they hand out punishments, especially towards the lower classes. You were a foreigner to them and so they were obviously more welcoming.

But anyway my main point is in attitudes we're hugely different... in how we live our lives. America is the be all and end all to most Americans. That's very true.