[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

I couldnt give two *****, why would I care?

So you don't care about your country, you just go with the flow?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

So you don't care about your country, you just go with the flow?

What exactly is wrong with our country? Im as welcome at the Diwali celebrations in a predominantly asian area of where I live as my local pub and I celebrate that and I have no fear of it

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

What exactly is wrong with our country? Im as welcome at the Diwali celebrations in a predominantly asian area of where I live as my local pub and I celebrate that and I have no fear of it

There is plenty wrong with it. Not just immigration and that. Maybe it's easier for you being a woman I don't know. Like Mela used to be really mixed, and then the Muslims took it over, never been the same since. It is a certain group of people from a certian part of a country really.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

There is plenty wrong with it. Not just immigration and that. Maybe it's easier for you being a woman I don't know. Like Mela used to be really mixed, and then the Muslims took it over, never been the same since. It is a certain group of people from a certian part of a country really.

Well I dont know what your problem is seriously, Ive always been made to feel welcome by all groups and the Mela here has a great atmosphere. I havent experienced problems with any muslims, Ive been to two muslim weddings and couldnt have been made to feel anymore welcome (and my husband). Sure I see **** on the telly about certain Islamist groups but I have no personal experience apart from one muslim girl at the hospital where I used to work who supposedly laughed about 9/11...(this was told to me by another muslim girl who thought she was well out of order by the way). I dont care who lives next door to me aslong as there decent hardworking nice people.

[WOMBAI]

People are trying to erode this country's identity, culture and values. It is extremely blinkered to deny that. Why is it our country that is expected to make the concessions all the time. When we go to a country like Afghanistan or Iraq we are expected to show respect and abide by their culture's rules - ie women would have to cover themselves. There is no respect for our culture in return.

It wouldn't even be safe for westerners to go there and walk freely. But despite the fact that there is a lot of resentment towards Muslims for 9/11 and our soldiers in this country - they are a lot safer on our streets than we would be on theirs.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Well I dont know what your problem is seriously, Ive always been made to feel welcome by all groups and the Mela here has a great atmosphere. I havent experienced problems with any muslims, Ive been to two muslim weddings and couldnt have been made to feel anymore welcome (and my husband). Sure I see **** on the telly about certain Islamist groups but I have no personal experience apart from one muslim girl at the hospital where I used to work who supposedly laughed about 9/11...(this was told to me by another muslim girl who thought she was well out of order by the way). I dont care who lives next door to me aslong as there decent hardworking nice people.

For me being quite young, it's different. The older generations are all hardworking. But it seems the 3rd generation have no interest in working or doing well for themselves. They will go out looking for trouble. And yes whites do it as well but that is not who we are talking about here. Look at how so many reacted to the Bradford riots? Even their own parents turned them in.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

For me being quite young, it's different. The older generations are all hardworking. But it seems the 3rd generation have no interest in working or doing well for themselves. They will go out looking for trouble. And yes whites do it as well but that is not who we are talking about here. Look at how so many reacted to the Bradford riots? Even their own parents turned them in.

Theres bad on both sides, thankfully a minority. Its wrong to demonize one particular group and blame them for all the countries ills

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

People are trying to erode this country's identity, culture and values. It is extremely blinkered to deny that. Why is it our country that is expected to make the concessions all the time. When we go to a country like Afghanistan or Iraq we are expected to show respect and abide by their culture's rules - ie women would have to cover themselves. There is no respect for our culture in return.

It wouldn't even be safe for westerners to go there and walk freely. But despite the fact that there is a lot of resentment towards Muslims for 9/11 and our soldiers in this country - they are a lot safer on our streets than we would be on theirs.

Lol@when we go to a country like Afghanistan...I wont be going on my holidays there! How are our values and culture being eroded? What concessions are we making? How is our culture not being respected...I hear this all the time and still havent had a satisfactory answer

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Theres bad on both sides, thankfully a minority. Its wrong to demonize one particular group and blame them for all the countries ills

More bothered about the city where I live really. Nothing we can do about the country.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Theres bad on both sides, thankfully a minority. Its wrong to demonize one particular group and blame them for all the countries ills

that is not what the video is saying. You cant watch that video and think all is rosy?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Lol@when we go to a country like Afghanistan...I wont be going on my holidays there! How are our values and culture being eroded? What concessions are we making? How is our culture not being respected...I hear this all the time and still havent had a satisfactory answer

Whether you would choose to go there or not - is besides the point. The point is - you couldn't - not safely.

We make consessions all the time - ie allowing them to build Mosques, teaching their religion in our schools, introducing anti-discriminatory laws - the list goes on.

A lot of Muslims are quite vocal about their disapproval of our culture and lifestyle. For instance - they make no secret of the fact they don't approve of the freedoms British women have. If they could force the issue - they would.

Muslim women refuse to remove their full burkas in places like schools and colleges - which causes issues for us - no respect for our culture and laws. But our women would be forced to cover up in their country - whether we wanted to or not - no respect for our wishes.

They always expect us to do the accomodating.

[Tom4784]

Some responses in this thread are absolutely shocking, Have we been invaded by the BNP?

There should be a limit on imigration but not because of mosques or different cultures. All this stuff about 'muslims taking over' is just racist hyperbole, if we compared the number of churches to mosques in the uk by how much would the churches outnumber the mosques?

We're not losing our culture, we're just combining it with others. All this stuff about immigrants 'biting the hand that feeds them' is regugnant because (although I don't like to generalise) most Arabic and asian people i've met are usually nothing but polite and nice, ironically in my experiences I've only ever had or seen white people bullying or intimidating others so what does that say for our brittish culture?

There's good and bad everywhere you go, you can't condemn a race for the actions of a few.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Some responses in this thread are absolutely shocking, Have we been invaded by the BNP? - generalisation and hyperbole.

There should be a limit on imigration but not because of mosques or different cultures. All this stuff about 'muslims taking over' is just racist hyperbole, if we compared the number of churches to mosques in the uk by how much would the churches outnumber the mosques? - that is because we are a Christian country and have been for many hundreds of years

We're not losing our culture, we're just combining it with others. All this stuff about immigrants 'biting the hand that feeds them' is regugnant because (although I don't like to generalise) most Arabic and asian people i've met are usually nothing but polite and nice, ironically in my experiences I've only ever had or seen white people bullying or intimidating others so what does that say for our brittish culture? - i dont think any post has made a point about a persons character and 90% of the UK is white so the chances are far higher

There's good and bad everywhere you go, you can't condemn a race for the actions of a few.

- the thread is about the ghettos in inner city areas?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Some responses in this thread are absolutely shocking, Have we been invaded by the BNP?

There should be a limit on imigration but not because of mosques or different cultures. All this stuff about 'muslims taking over' is just racist hyperbole, if we compared the number of churches to mosques in the uk by how much would the churches outnumber the mosques?

We're not losing our culture, we're just combining it with others. All this stuff about immigrants 'biting the hand that feeds them' is regugnant because (although I don't like to generalise) most Arabic and asian people i've met are usually nothing but polite and nice, ironically in my experiences I've only ever had or seen white people bullying or intimidating others so what does that say for our brittish culture?

There's good and bad everywhere you go, you can't condemn a race for the actions of a few.

Don't try and turn this into a race issue - it is not. It is a Muslim issue.

As for the mosques/churches bit - what a ridiculous point. I should damn well hope there are a lot more churches than mosques - this is Britain. How many churches do you think there are in Afghanistan or Iraq.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

- the thread is about the ghettos in inner city areas?

Yes but I can read between the lines just fine.

So what if buildings like Mosques and such are being made? It's not like all immigrants come to this country to live off the dole, loads have a better work ethic then brittish people. Have you ever wondered why you see a lot of foreign cleaners and stuff? Because they'll do the jobs we look down our nose at. Immigrants more often then not pay their way, why should there not be places for people of different faith to worship? They'd have a long way to catch up before they could even graze the knee of the number of churches there are. They are far from taking over our culture, people have just let themselves be swayed by the Daily Mail and Nick Griffin.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Don't try and turn this into a race issue - it is not. It is a Muslim issue.

As for the mosques/churches bit - what a ridiculous point. I should damn well hope there are a lot more churches than mosques - this is Britain. How many churches do you think there are in Afghanistan or Iraq.

This is Britain you're right, and Britain's meant to be a democracy right? We've got the freedom to follow any faith we want or to make our own life choices so why are we attacking a race because there's a few areas which are largely populated by a certain ethnicity? They are citizens too and have the rights to complain if they feel discriminated against as we do.

We can't be a democracy and not extend the same rights to all our citizens due to religion.

The thing with Afghanistan and Iraq is that religion is basically written into law there while we have a lot more freedom to choose our faiths if any. I applaud the fact that Britian's becoming more multi-cultured each day, there's a lot of things we can learn from other cultures as are things they could learn from ours.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is Britain you're right, and Britain's meant to be a democracy right? We've got the freedom to follow any faith we want or to make our own life choices so why are we attacking a race because there's a few areas which are largely populated by a certain ethnicity? They are citizens too and have the rights to complain if they feel discriminated against as we do.

We can't be a democracy and not extend the same rights to all our citizens due to religion.

The thing with Afghanistan and Iraq is that religion is basically written into law there while we have a lot more freedom to choose our faiths if any. I applaud the fact that Britian's becoming more multi-cultured each day, there's a lot of things we can learn from other cultures as are things they could learn from ours.

a few areas?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Lol@antidiscrimanatory laws like thats a bad thing

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is Britain you're right, and Britain's meant to be a democracy right? We've got the freedom to follow any faith we want or to make our own life choices so why are we attacking a race because there's a few areas which are largely populated by a certain ethnicity? They are citizens too and have the rights to complain if they feel discriminated against as we do.

We can't be a democracy and not extend the same rights to all our citizens due to religion.

The thing with Afghanistan and Iraq is that religion is basically written into law there while we have a lot more freedom to choose our faiths if any. I applaud the fact that Britian's becoming more multi-cultured each day, there's a lot of things we can learn from other cultures as are things they could learn from ours.

Because quite a few of those Muslims are preaching hate against us on our own streets carrying out acts of terrorism against us - despite the fact that we do bend over backwards to accommodate them into our society. They are also killing our troops - or hadn't you noticed? A lot of the Taliban members over there are home grown - recruited from our own streets. You may be able to overlook that - but I am not.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Whether you would choose to go there or not - is besides the point. The point is - you couldn't - not safely.

We make consessions all the time - ie allowing them to build Mosques, teaching their religion in our schools, introducing anti-discriminatory laws - the list goes on.

A lot of Muslims are quite vocal about their disapproval of our culture and lifestyle. For instance - they make no secret of the fact they don't approve of the freedoms British women have. If they could force the issue - they would.

Muslim women refuse to remove their full burkas in places like schools and colleges - which causes issues for us - no respect for our culture and laws. But our women would be forced to cover up in their country - whether we wanted to or not - no respect for our wishes.

They always expect us to do the accomodating.

The "concessions" your talking about are all part of being a democracy and what makes me proud to be British and whether or not other countries run things that way makes no odds. A minority of muslims voice their disapproval, how does it really affect us? It doesnt really, and as for women wearing Burkhas, then whatever floats there boat. Theres been one issue I can think of where a woman wasnt allowed to teach with her Burkha on and thats fair enough in a situation like that. These issues are blown all out of proportion and dont really affect us in reality.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that is not what the video is saying. You cant watch that video and think all is rosy?

Whats your problem with the video?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

The "concessions" your talking about are all part of being a democracy and what makes me proud to be British and whether or not other countries run things that way makes no odds. A minority of muslims voice their disapproval, how does it really affect us? It doesnt really, and as for women wearing Burkhas, then whatever floats there boat. Theres been one issue I can think of where a woman wasnt allowed to teach with her Burkha on and thats fair enough in a situation like that. These issues are blown all out of proportion and dont really affect us in reality.

If we loose our identity - you can kiss goodbye to democracy. You may change your stance if you loose your liberty and all the freedoms of choice and rights of protection you are used to.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Whats your problem with the video?

It clearly shows that many parts of London are ghettos with no identity, just camps of immigrants. Its not diversity it is a terrible immigration policy that has been left to rot.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

If we loose our identity - you can kiss goodbye to democracy. You may change your stance if you loose your liberty and all the freedoms of choice and rights of protection you are used to.

Lol ok, for one most muslims in this country dont oppose democracy. There is no need to feel threatened, its mass hysteria with no foundation...time and time again this happens throughout history and still we dont learn

[Crimson Dynamo]

The problem is when you have a go at this mess (and like in this thread) people start howling that you are saying the people are bad and no one yet has done that