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WOMBAI · 30-11-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

The UN has stated its concern about the whole issue asking Switzerland to take it back as it goes against the Human rights. Furthermore, Switzerland has been warned a few days ago but the referendum still went ahead.

I don't know what to think really. Switzerland has always been in a special position in the world, probably the most neutral country so it's rather surprising this went through as they are known for peaceful and calm people.
I kinda agree with them because they don't want minarets to invade their beautiful environment (I've been several times there and to me, Switzerland is one of the most beautiful country) but at the same time, they can't prevent people from praying. S yeah, tough choice.

Nobody is stopping them from praying - just not allowing them to do so as publicly as they would like. As it is not an Islamic country - they should respect that!

WOMBAI · 30-11-2009, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

The UN has stated its concern about the whole issue asking Switzerland to take it back as it goes against the Human rights. Furthermore, Switzerland has been warned a few days ago but the referendum still went ahead.

I don't know what to think really. Switzerland has always been in a special position in the world, probably the most neutral country so it's rather surprising this went through as they are known for peaceful and calm people.
I kinda agree with them because they don't want minarets to invade their beautiful environment (I've been several times there and to me, Switzerland is one of the most beautiful country) but at the same time, they can't prevent people from praying. S yeah, tough choice.

Nobody is preventing them from praying - they are just not allowing them to do it as publicly as they want to. As it is not an Islamic country - they should respect that!

Crimson Dynamo · 30-11-2009, 04:11 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...y-Vatican.html

Pope gets involved.

Crimson Dynamo · 30-11-2009, 04:19 PM

Its all that big Lion's fault from Lion Witch Wardrobe, he bloody started the religion yet has little to say about it.

Stu · 30-11-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its all that big Lion's fault from Lion Witch Wardrobe, he bloody started the religion yet has little to say about it.

You leave Aslan out of this

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Crimson Dynamo · 30-11-2009, 05:00 PM

"As well as providing a visual cue to a Muslim community, the main function of the minaret is to provide a vantage point from which the call to prayer (adhan) is made."

I think the issue is to do with the height and the dominance in the skyline. The aim in Islamic countries is to be the tallest and most dominant thing on the skyline as it is the most important.

We have this with Churches in the UK, or used to.

I can get the problem with this.

WOMBAI · 30-11-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"As well as providing a visual cue to a Muslim community, the main function of the minaret is to provide a vantage point from which the call to prayer (adhan) is made."

I think the issue is to do with the height and the dominance in the skyline. The aim in Islamic countries is to be the tallest and most dominant thing on the skyline as it is the most important.

We have this with Churches in the UK, or used to.

I can get the problem with this.

In the end - it is about control! None of the above surprises me at all! All the more reason not to allow it!

Crimson Dynamo · 30-11-2009, 05:26 PM

If MacDonald's tried it, well can you imagine?

arista · 01-12-2009, 09:56 AM

New Labour fear Public Votes
Very True.

andyman · 01-12-2009, 10:00 AM

The Conservaties also fear the public vote..

InOne · 01-12-2009, 03:34 PM

Is this meant to be a new thread LT?

Crimson Dynamo · 01-12-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Is this meant to be a new thread LT?

no, just part of this. It links in to the way Islam is PR'd in the world

ie badly

InOne · 01-12-2009, 03:39 PM

Well it is stupid really. I quite liked this comment on the link.

They accused her of not being a proper Muslim and supporting the deaths of civilians in Afghanistan. They are the people who also protest against our soldiers.
When are we going to wake up. These people are no more British than their relatives still living in Pakistan. They hate everything about this country, other than the benefits they get here.

- Peter, Bournemouth, 01/12/2009 10:38

Crimson Dynamo · 01-12-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Well it is stupid really. I quite liked this comment on the link.

They accused her of not being a proper Muslim and supporting the deaths of civilians in Afghanistan. They are the people who also protest against our soldiers.
When are we going to wake up. These people are no more British than their relatives still living in Pakistan. They hate everything about this country, other than the benefits they get here.

- Peter, Bournemouth, 01/12/2009 10:38

Yes, it would certainly seem that way

InOne · 01-12-2009, 03:53 PM

It is that way. People are just too PC to admit it

InOne · 01-12-2009, 04:08 PM

More sensible talk.

Will you all stop going about this multiculturalism.There is no such thing.The point multiculturalism is that it is a unicultural phenomenon.You can't go to saudi Arabia and be mulitcultural, for example.There is nothing to celebrate with regards diversity-believing in everything is the same thing as believing in nothing.This is the UK and all people should abide by their laws.We don't want mass immigration, we don't need it and we never asked for it.

- tim wookey, Bristol, 1/12/2009 10:04

Niamh. · 01-12-2009, 04:16 PM

http://www.pewsitter.com/view_news_id_7306.php

InOne · 01-12-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

http://www.pewsitter.com/view_news_id_7306.php

Typical, but build as many Mosque's as you want over here why don't you!!!!

Niamh. · 01-12-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Typical, but build as many Mosque's as you want over here why don't you!!!!

well, yeah. I mean I don't want to be accused of being racist or anything but there does seem to be an enormous set of double standards going on!

InOne · 01-12-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

well, yeah. I mean I don't want to be accused of being racist or anything but there does seem to be an enormous set of double standards going on!

Good job Wildcat or Netto are not here.

It is always double standards with Islam, always will be. It is a milital forceful Religion that lives in the dark ages. Europe for some reason bows down to it. It is good that things like EDL is about really, althogh they get labelled as racists too. When things like that happen it is no wonder people vote BNP.

Wildcat! · 01-12-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

well, yeah. I mean I don't want to be accused of being racist or anything but there does seem to be an enormous set of double standards going on!

Dont make the exception, be the rule. Saudi Arabia is extreme, compared to the rest of the muslim world, as I pointed out about the Churches in Senegal, but here are more for you:

Algeria

Bahrein

Bangladesh

Imdonesia

Iran

Kuwait

Jordan

Kuwait

Lybya

Morocco

Pakistan

Syria

Turkey

United Arab Emirates

I could go on. BUt as you can see, they have big beautiful churches, with no restrictions, and they an built as many as they deem necessary in these muslim countries.
No matter how you spin it, that decision is wrong, and is definitely oression. Thankfully, most of the rest of the world have condemn the referendum, including France, and all the majors western countries. ONly a minority seem to agree, with it, so there is hope.

And BTW, most of the muslims in the world do think that its ridiculous, Saudi Arabia, asks the catholic church to acknowledge Mohamed as a prophet, as their ondition to allow, buliding of churches. The Christians, dont believe in Mohamed, so its stupid to ask them to do so.
Again dont let one intolerant nation, make you become intolerant like they are. If so, youre no better than the Saudis.

Crimson Dynamo · 01-12-2009, 04:45 PM

http://newsrealblog.com/2009/12/01/stop-the-minarets/

"One could also question Goodman’s use of the specious argument put forth by Amnesty International, which characterizes the Swiss vote banning minarets as a “violation of religious freedom.” A curious argument coming from an organization that remains strangely silent on the issue of religious freedom in the Islamic world, where it is forbidden to build a church of any kind in countries such as Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia (where Christians may not even set foot in many areas for fear of being executed)."

http://jonathanturley.org/2009/11/29...doesnt-add-up/

interesting video!

NettoSuperstar! · 03-12-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Dont make the exception, be the rule. Saudi Arabia is extreme, compared to the rest of the muslim world, as I pointed out about the Churches in Senegal, but here are more for you:

Algeria

Bahrein

Bangladesh

Imdonesia

Iran

Kuwait

Jordan

Kuwait

Lybya

Morocco

Pakistan

Syria

Turkey

United Arab Emirates

I could go on. BUt as you can see, they have big beautiful churches, with no restrictions, and they an built as many as they deem necessary in these muslim countries.
No matter how you spin it, that decision is wrong, and is definitely oression. Thankfully, most of the rest of the world have condemn the referendum, including France, and all the majors western countries. ONly a minority seem to agree, with it, so there is hope.

And BTW, most of the muslims in the world do think that its ridiculous, Saudi Arabia, asks the catholic church to acknowledge Mohamed as a prophet, as their ondition to allow, buliding of churches. The Christians, dont believe in Mohamed, so its stupid to ask them to do so.
Again dont let one intolerant nation, make you become intolerant like they are. If so, youre no better than the Saudis.

They wont like facts Wildcat! spoils their hysterical view of things...they wont choose to argue against these points...it'll revert back to deflection and arguing minor points...just like they wont argue against the fact that most muslims do compromise and work with other faiths in this country!