[Angus]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Is Gordon Brown really that bad i mean all he is doing is being the fall guy for Tony Blair.

Now personally he was the worst prime minsiter in my eyes, a supposed christian and ex-cnd member taking us into Iraq etc. Education for all - was only there to keep youngsters off the dole and run up student debt while getting a degree in some wonderful made up subjects like media studies. He runs the country into the ground then walks away and leaves poor one eye to take all the flak.

Then again there was Neville Chamberlain, a complete knob if you ask me , waving his bit of paper around declaring "peace in our time!" What a tool.

Well it was Gordon Brown, Peter Mandelson and Alastair Darling, Blair's henchmen who were complicit in deceiving us into waging an illegal war in Iraq; throwing open our borders with no controls to stop criminals and terrorists entering our country; imposing political correctness on us so that we are now barely allowed to express an opinion in case it "offends" someone; bringing this country to the brink of bankruptcy since Brown's policy, when he was chancellor, was to throw more money at everything, borrowing up to the hilt, so that it will take decades for this country to repay the billions it owes; and rewarding incompetent bankers with tax payers' money, etc etc. Now Brown has decided to cut back on defence spending, which means the forces are ill equipped to defend themselves never mind actually fight, whilst he continues to send our soldiers to fight in wars that are futile because he is still trying to climb up America's backside, except that Blair is still firmly lodged up there.

THAT Gordon Brown? Not bad???!!! Just give him another four years in power and watch him finish off the job of grinding this country into the ground.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well it was Gordon Brown, Peter Mandelson and Alastair Darling, Blair's henchmen who were complicit in deceiving us into waging an illegal war in Iraq; throwing open our borders with no controls to stop criminals and terrorists entering our country; imposing political correctness on us so that we are now barely allowed to express an opinion in case it "offends" someone; bringing this country to the brink of bankruptcy since Brown's policy, when he was chancellor, was to throw more money at everything, borrowing up to the hilt, so that it will take decades for this country to repay the billions it owes; and rewarding incompetent bankers with tax payers' money, etc etc. Now Brown has decided to cut back on defence spending, which means the forces are ill equipped to defend themselves never mind actually fight, whilst he continues to send our soldiers to fight in wars that are futile because he is still trying to climb up America's backside, except that Blair is still firmly lodged up there.

THAT Gordon Brown? Not bad???!!! Just give him another four years in power and watch him finish off the job of grinding this country into the ground.

He may have been Chancellor but TB still had the final say. As for the Iraq War, it was in the end Tony's decision. Amusing really because as PM his mandate for involving the British Armed Forces in conflict was for defence, so amazingly a reason for invasion for defence appeared, now it appears there were a few kinks in the truth. His mandate was exceeded regardless of how he now states we did the right thing removing Saddam. He was advised without a reason for securing defence of our realm it was illegal.

If it was up to me personally I wouldnt give Gordon Brown four more minutes in power.

[NettoSuperstar!]

If your gonna pull the rug under a large section of the population, at least have the decency to invest in education training and skills for the people in the mess you left behind! At Least Blair had a go at that!...This recession...Thatchers fault! Everything wrong with society... Thatchers fault!...she'd even steal milk from a bairn that one!

[arista]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

If your gonna pull the rug under a large section of the population, at least have the decency to invest in education training and skills for the people in the mess you left behind! At Least Blair had a go at that!

Evil Warmonger Blair should be in Prison.

He is 100% Guilty of giving the World a Falsehood.


Utter Fact.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by arista

Evil Warmonger Blair should be in Prison.

He is 100% Guilty of giving the World a Falsehood.


Utter Fact.

Well I dont agree with going to war in Iraq at that time no

[arista]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Well I dont agree with going to war in Iraq at that time no

Yes it was a Illegal Invasion
that will Finish New Labour Forever.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

If your gonna pull the rug under a large section of the population, at least have the decency to invest in education training and skills for the people in the mess you left behind! At Least Blair had a go at that!...This recession...Thatchers fault! Everything wrong with society... Thatchers fault!...she'd even steal milk from a bairn that one!

How did Blair have a go at investing in education, training and skills? The very first thing that New Labour did when they got into power was to scrap the Assisted Places scheme which offered underprivileged children fully funded education at private schools, thereby making private education the preserve only of the priviliged and rich again. A cynical move by a New Labour government whose majority of MPs attended private schools themselves yet they wanted to deny that opportunity to any one else's child.

For a government that intends to fight the next election on the class issue, for those that dont know, here's the full list of all the labour mps who attended private schools and are oh sOOOO representative of the working class eh? Labour voters who still believe that BS are living in the past.

•Ed Balls (Morley and Outwood)
•Hugh Bayley (City of York)
•Hilary Benn (Leeds Central)
•Bob Blizzard (Waveney)
•Chris Bryant (Rhondda)
•Stephen Byers (North Tyneside)
•Charles Clarke (Norwich South)
•Ann Clwyd (Cynon Valley)
•Jim Cousins (Newcastle-upon-Tyne Central)
•Alistair Darling (Edinburgh South West)
•Quentin Davies (Grantham and Stamford)
•Louise Ellman (Liverpool Riverside)
•Natascha Engel (North East Derbyshire)
•Mark Fisher (Stoke-on-Trent Central)
•Barry Gardiner (Brent North)
•Linda Gilroy (Plymouth Sutton)
•Paul Goggins (Wythenshawe and Sale East)
•Peter Hain (Neath)
•Patrick Hall (Bedford and Kempston)
•Fabian Hamilton (Leeds North East)
•Harriet Harman (Camberwell and Peckham)
•John Healey (Wentworth)
•Margaret Hodge (Barking)
•Geoff Hoon (Ashfield)
•Lindsay Hoyle (Chorley)
•Tessa Jowell (Dulwich and West Norwood)
•Sally Keeble (Northampton North)
•Ruth Kelly (Bolton West)
•Jim Knight (South Dorset)
•Ivan Lewis (South Bury)
•Martin Linton (Battersea)
•Ian Lucas (Wrexham)
•Denis MacShane (Rotherham)
•Fiona Mactaggart (Slough)
•Judy Mallaber (Amber Valley)
•John Mann (Bassetlaw)
•Rob Marris (Wolverhampton South West)
•Gordon Marsden (Blackpool South)
•Bob Marshall-Andrews (Medway)
•Michael Meacher (Oldham West and Royton)
•Chris Mole (Ipswich)
•Julie Morgan (Cardiff North)
•Doug Naysmith (Bristol North West)
•Nick Palmer (Broxtowe)
•Gordon Prentice (Pendle)
•James Purnell (Stalybridge and Hyde)
•Nick Raynsford (Greenwich and Woolwich)
•Geoffrey Robinson (Coventry North West)
•Andrew Slaughter (Ealing, Acton and Shepherd's Bush)
•John Spellar (Warley)
•Phyllis Starkey (Milton Keynes South West)
•Howard Stoate (Dartford)
•Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East)
•Mark Todd (South Derbyshire)
•Kitty Ussher (Burnley)
•Keith Vaz (Leicester East)
•Malcolm Wicks (Croydon North)
•Michael Wills (Swindon North)
•Rosie Winterton (Doncaster Central)
•Shaun Woodward (St Helens South)


As regards the recession, this has followed 10 years of Brown's stint as chancellor, not a good legacy is it. At least Thatcher enabled thousands to buy their own property (Right to Buy), and offered the Assisted Places Scheme for underprivileged children. As for the recession, Brown created it during his dire stint as Chancellor, and is now engineering a false recovery to bolster his election chances. He treats the electorate as if they are idiots, but most of us can see through the labour spin machine.

Since New Labour came to power, we have seen a return of the unofficial strikes, official strikes, wildcat strikes etc, that have plagued our economy during the previous five decades. I am not against Unions but they have to understand that their workers are not superior to any others and if there is no more money in the pot then they should be pleased they, at least, HAVE a job. Thatcher was instrumental in curbing the power of the Unions who held the public to ransom too often. Under New Labour, the Unions, who significantly fund the party, have grown arrogant and greedy again. Recent examples are Royal Mail and British Airways, whose members are quite happy to disrupt people's lives and expect us to sympathise with their cause.

Thatcher may have been a lot of things, good and bad, but at the time she was in power SHE was actually the best man for the job, and the Tories have paid the price of ousting her as leader by being unable to put forward a viable leader of the party for some time. Thatcher was the daughter of a grocer, and had to be twice as good as the men in order to progress in politics (we're talking forty years ago when women were still being overlooked for all the top jobs). Cameron is far from perfect, but I'd take him over an unelected Brown who, along with his cohorts, has proven himself to be not up to the job.

[bbfan1991]

Gordon Brown is so boring, I can't stand him... useless.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by angus58

How did Blair have a go at investing in education, training and skills? The very first thing that New Labour did when they got into power was to scrap the Assisted Places scheme which offered underprivileged children fully funded education at private schools, thereby making private education the preserve only of the priviliged and rich again. A cynical move by a New Labour government whose majority of MPs attended private schools themselves yet they wanted to deny that opportunity to any one else's child.

For a government that intends to fight the next election on the class issue, for those that dont know, here's the full list of all the labour mps who attended private schools and are oh sOOOO representative of the working class eh? Labour voters who still believe that BS are living in the past.

•Ed Balls (Morley and Outwood)
•Hugh Bayley (City of York)
•Hilary Benn (Leeds Central)
•Bob Blizzard (Waveney)
•Chris Bryant (Rhondda)
•Stephen Byers (North Tyneside)
•Charles Clarke (Norwich South)
•Ann Clwyd (Cynon Valley)
•Jim Cousins (Newcastle-upon-Tyne Central)
•Alistair Darling (Edinburgh South West)
•Quentin Davies (Grantham and Stamford)
•Louise Ellman (Liverpool Riverside)
•Natascha Engel (North East Derbyshire)
•Mark Fisher (Stoke-on-Trent Central)
•Barry Gardiner (Brent North)
•Linda Gilroy (Plymouth Sutton)
•Paul Goggins (Wythenshawe and Sale East)
•Peter Hain (Neath)
•Patrick Hall (Bedford and Kempston)
•Fabian Hamilton (Leeds North East)
•Harriet Harman (Camberwell and Peckham)
•John Healey (Wentworth)
•Margaret Hodge (Barking)
•Geoff Hoon (Ashfield)
•Lindsay Hoyle (Chorley)
•Tessa Jowell (Dulwich and West Norwood)
•Sally Keeble (Northampton North)
•Ruth Kelly (Bolton West)
•Jim Knight (South Dorset)
•Ivan Lewis (South Bury)
•Martin Linton (Battersea)
•Ian Lucas (Wrexham)
•Denis MacShane (Rotherham)
•Fiona Mactaggart (Slough)
•Judy Mallaber (Amber Valley)
•John Mann (Bassetlaw)
•Rob Marris (Wolverhampton South West)
•Gordon Marsden (Blackpool South)
•Bob Marshall-Andrews (Medway)
•Michael Meacher (Oldham West and Royton)
•Chris Mole (Ipswich)
•Julie Morgan (Cardiff North)
•Doug Naysmith (Bristol North West)
•Nick Palmer (Broxtowe)
•Gordon Prentice (Pendle)
•James Purnell (Stalybridge and Hyde)
•Nick Raynsford (Greenwich and Woolwich)
•Geoffrey Robinson (Coventry North West)
•Andrew Slaughter (Ealing, Acton and Shepherd's Bush)
•John Spellar (Warley)
•Phyllis Starkey (Milton Keynes South West)
•Howard Stoate (Dartford)
•Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East)
•Mark Todd (South Derbyshire)
•Kitty Ussher (Burnley)
•Keith Vaz (Leicester East)
•Malcolm Wicks (Croydon North)
•Michael Wills (Swindon North)
•Rosie Winterton (Doncaster Central)
•Shaun Woodward (St Helens South)


As regards the recession, this has followed 10 years of Brown's stint as chancellor, not a good legacy is it. At least Thatcher enabled thousands to buy their own property (Right to Buy), and offered the Assisted Places Scheme for underprivileged children. As for the recession, Brown created it during his dire stint as Chancellor, and is now engineering a false recovery to bolster his election chances. He treats the electorate as if they are idiots, but most of us can see through the labour spin machine.

Since New Labour came to power, we have seen a return of the unofficial strikes, official strikes, wildcat strikes etc, that have plagued our economy during the previous five decades. I am not against Unions but they have to understand that their workers are not superior to any others and if there is no more money in the pot then they should be pleased they, at least, HAVE a job. Thatcher was instrumental in curbing the power of the Unions who held the public to ransom too often. Under New Labour, the Unions, who significantly fund the party, have grown arrogant and greedy again. Recent examples are Royal Mail and British Airways, whose members are quite happy to disrupt people's lives and expect us to sympathise with their cause.

Thatcher may have been a lot of things, good and bad, but at the time she was in power SHE was actually the best man for the job, and the Tories have paid the price of ousting her as leader by being unable to put forward a viable leader of the party for some time. Thatcher was the daughter of a grocer, and had to be twice as good as the men in order to progress in politics (we're talking forty years ago when women were still being overlooked for all the top jobs). Cameron is far from perfect, but I'd take him over an unelected Brown who, along with his cohorts, has proven himself to be not up to the job.

Oh yeh the few token places for the working classes to go to posh school! (actually most places went to middle class kids who couldnt quite afford private) Great scheme that! If Thatcher had her way she'd have completely left the state system to rot and created a two tier system one for the privileged and left the working/middle classes to rot unless theyre really lucky! At least Blair invested in state education, trying to reduce class sizes, nursery funding etc...I probably wouldnt be able to afford to work if it wasnt for nursery funding and I know a lot of working class mothers definately wouldnt! And I have a relatively good job! What these toffs and thatcherites (of which New Labour pretty much turned into, I dont deny) dont realise is if you dont invest in the worker ants/consumers and you let the greedy go unchecked then the whole system breaks down and you push more people on to benefits! The whole ****ing system is wrong, but I would still vote Labour over Tory any day! Camerons not fit to run a country, he hasnt got a clue FACT! ...infact I would have had a harder time doing my degree under a Tory govt full stop! Its only the minimum wage coming in and working time directives (Tories would have cut us off from Europe) that enabled me to get ahead!....and while Im on my anti Tory rant, they are currently proposing to scrap child tax credits for some which will inevitably mean that a lot of people, women particularly will have to give up work and go on benefits! and the poor rich divide grows ever furthur! ****e friggin logic! Ohhh and not to mention the inheritance tax cuts for millionaires! ****in buncha wankers!

and Brown didnt create the recession...if anything you can blame Thatcher for the that n all!....bitch...I'd effin dance on her grave

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

(Tories would have cut us off from Europe) that enabled me to get ahead!....and while Im on my anti Tory rant, they are currently proposing to scrap child tax credits for some which will inevitably mean that a lot of people, women particularly will have to give up work and go on benefits! and the poor rich divide grows ever furthur! ****e friggin logic! Ohhh and not to mention the inheritance tax cuts for millionaires! ****in buncha wankers!

and Brown didnt create the recession...if anything you can blame Thatcher for the that n all!....bitch...I'd effin dance on her grave

Oh good i am glad your degree has educated you. It obviously wasn't in economics. Shame you dont actually look at facts and listen to what is being said.

The Tories would not have cut us off from Europe, if you believe their tales they would not have given so much of our power away to Europe, nor would they have allowed certain legislation become statute in this country.

They are for cutting tax Credits, at the wealthier end, where it isnt needed, isnt that the best place to cut it?

Although Brown didnt create the recession, you cant lay it at Thatchers door either. It is global, that means its worldwide and while our bankers and economists contributed to it they certainly didnt cause it, try American banks and over extension of credit etc.

What you can lay at Brown and Blair's door because they were in power during the lead up to it is the fact they failed to take strict enough economic measures to ensure the recession didnt bite too hard or for too long. Thats why other countries have come out of it quickly and we still wallow in it.

You earned for yourself, 9/10 for emotion on your anti-tory rant but 2/10 for fact and substance.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Oh good i am glad your degree has educated you. It obviously wasn't in economics. Shame you dont actually look at facts and listen to what is being said.

The Tories would not have cut us off from Europe, if you believe their tales they would not have given so much of our power away to Europe, nor would they have allowed certain legislation become statute in this country.

They are for cutting tax Credits, at the wealthier end, where it isnt needed, isnt that the best place to cut it?

Although Brown didnt create the recession, you cant lay it at Thatchers door either. It is global, that means its worldwide and while our bankers and economists contributed to it they certainly didnt cause it, try American banks and over extension of credit etc.

What you can lay at Brown and Blair's door because they were in power during the lead up to it is the fact they failed to take strict enough economic measures to ensure the recession didnt bite too hard or for too long. Thats why other countries have come out of it quickly and we still wallow in it.

You earned for yourself, 9/10 for emotion on your anti-tory rant but 2/10 for fact and substance.

Yeh tongue in cheek at the end there, but twas you that said Gordon created it ahem... and tis Maggie who advocated a complete lack of regulation in this country in the first place, dont get all high and mighty with me. And as for the tax credits theyre thinking of cutting them for middle income families (with children) like me who do depend on them to be able to work. Thatcher was anti Europe FACT

[NettoSuperstar!]

Hehe health and safety regulations! Thatcher and workers rights just dont go together in the same sentence...two words POLL and TAX now bugger off yer filthy Thatcherite lol

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Hehe health and safety regulations! Thatcher and workers rights just dont go together in the same sentence...two words POLL and TAX now bugger off yer filthy Thatcherite lol

Thats the best arguement you have?

Ah well, I would have thought your time at the local tech college would have taught you to open your eyes, ears and mind, just shows ignorance is rife even in middle income England.

Good to see you come up to the required standard for Tony's edukashun policy.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Thats the best arguement you have?

Ah well, I would have thought your time at the local tech college would have taught you to open your eyes, ears and mind, just shows ignorance is rife even in middle income England.

Good to see you come up to the required standard for Tony's edukashun policy.

Yes 13 years of Corrupt New Labour
have Wrecked our Money and Nation
let alone the New Labour Confusion and Mess of Education

[NettoSuperstar!]

Patronisin get! Mine are open thanks

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Patronisin get! Mine are open thanks

Not patronising at all, but I can be if you want me to be. And obviously they arent open, ignoring true statements that are laid before you because of your personal bias shows a rather closed mind.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Not patronising at all, but I can be if you want me to be. And obviously they arent open, ignoring true statements that are laid before you because of your personal bias shows a rather closed mind.

"tech college" not patronising, assuming some kind of intellectual superiority when quibbling over working time directives? please...My eyes are open to the fact that an elite few are hoarding wealth at the expense of the others dont even bother trying to deny it...and Maggie was a pioneer

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

"tech college" not patronising, assuming some kind of intellectual superiority when quibbling over working time directives? please...

Not an intellectual superiority, just being able to accept the truth regardless how much it goes against my own personal views.

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

"My eyes are open to the fact that an elite few are hoarding wealth at the expense of the others dont even bother trying to deny it...and Maggie was a pioneer

Welcome to the real world darling, its always been that way and will always be that way, even in whatever socialist Utopia you cream about when you dream.

And of course old Neil "I will never wear ermine" Kinnock. Just how many indexed linked pensions does he need to live off? A good socialist example, makes you all warm and fuzzy just thinking about him.

[NettoSuperstar!]

It might be the real world as we know it "darling" doesnt make it right! Look at Sweden and other Scandinavian countries...whole different culture over there and they do alright

PS: stick that in your patronising pipe and smoke it sunny jim-

"....It wasn't adopted in Britain until 1998 (and reluctantly at that), following the loss of a court battle in 1996. The Conservative government had argued that working time was not a health and safety provision under the EU treaties and should not be subject to regulation at EU level."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2006....europeanunion

"This confrontation strategy was
used by the UK’s conservative government in regard to the Working Time and the Young Workers
Directives. In both cases, John Major’s team was fundamentally opposed to the draft Directives
during the European negotiations (see e.g. Cassell 1992; EIRR 1993a; 1993b)

.....In March 1994, the UK challenged the
Working Time Directive in the European Court of Justice, seeking to annul the Directive on the
grounds that it had been issued on a wrong legal basis. A few days before the end of the
implementation deadline in November 1996, however, the European judges rejected all major
points of the UK challenge.17 The Tory government openly refused to accept the Court ruling
(House of Commons 1996: Cols 152-155) and did not take any decisive steps to comply with the
Directive until the end of its term of office in May 1997."

http://www.ihs.ac.at/publications/po...anPolitics.pdf

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

It might be the real world as we know it "darling" doesnt make it right! Look at Sweden and other Scandinavian countries...whole different culture over there and they do alright

PS: stick that in your patronising pipe and smoke it sunny jim-

"....It wasn't adopted in Britain until 1998 (and reluctantly at that), following the loss of a court battle in 1996. The Conservative government had argued that working time was not a health and safety provision under the EU treaties and should not be subject to regulation at EU level."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2006....europeanunion

"This confrontation strategy was
used by the UK’s conservative government in regard to the Working Time and the Young Workers
Directives. In both cases, John Major’s team was fundamentally opposed to the draft Directives
during the European negotiations (see e.g. Cassell 1992; EIRR 1993a; 1993b)

.....In March 1994, the UK challenged the
Working Time Directive in the European Court of Justice, seeking to annul the Directive on the
grounds that it had been issued on a wrong legal basis. A few days before the end of the
implementation deadline in November 1996, however, the European judges rejected all major
points of the UK challenge.17 The Tory government openly refused to accept the Court ruling
(House of Commons 1996: Cols 152-155) and did not take any decisive steps to comply with the
Directive until the end of its term of office in May 1997."

http://www.ihs.ac.at/publications/po...anPolitics.pdf

I can thoroughly recommend reading fully any source you wish to quote to support an arguement, then follow up on anything you find. From your first source:

"Labour supported the directive in opposition, saying it would help restore a fair balance between the rights and responsibilities of employers and employees. It has been rather less enthusiastic about it since being in power."

This is because they have fought tooth and nail to stop the removal of the opt out clause, they have asked for junior doctors and other health care professional to be exempt, then when refused asked for extra time for the implementation etc. exemptions in the offshore industry. I could go on... and on... and on. But hopefully you get the point.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I can thoroughly recommend reading fully any source you wish to quote to support an arguement, then follow up on anything you find. From your first source:

"Labour supported the directive in opposition, saying it would help restore a fair balance between the rights and responsibilities of employers and employees. It has been rather less enthusiastic about it since being in power."

This is because they have fought tooth and nail to stop the removal of the opt out clause, they have asked for junior doctors and other health care professional to be exempt, then when refused asked for extra time for the implementation etc. exemptions in the offshore industry. I could go on... and on... and on. But hopefully you get the point.

Im sure you could go on and on.... in a convoluted and patronsing manner at that...point is it didnt take a friggin genius to work out the Tories would have been set against it from day one, yet you had to be a tool about it and start acting the big I am,....The opt out clause is neccesary in some circumstances so....and when did I ever say Labour were perfect? I'd just take them over the Tories anyday

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Im sure you could go on and on.... in a convoluted and patronsing manner at that...point is it didnt take a friggin genius to work out the Tories would have been set against it from day one, yet you had to be a tool about it and start acting the big I am,....The opt out clause is neccesary in some circumstances so....and when did I ever say Labour were perfect? I'd just take them over the Tories anyday

Well obviously you are nowhere close to being any sort of genius, why would the tories have been against it. Bar the fact Europe was taking a little bit more of our right to govern ourselves.

The opt out clause necessary? Give us a few examples where it is necessary. The only time i can see it being necessary for workers to enjoy the clause is where they want to earn extra through overtime.

Incidentally, most Unions state it should be removed because unscrupulous employers will bully or blackmail workers into signing to opt out. Seems a bit strange that one the Labour government not wanting to follow the unions on workers rights etc?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Well obviously you are nowhere close to being any sort of genius, why would the tories have been against it. Bar the fact Europe was taking a little bit more of our right to govern ourselves.

The opt out clause necessary? Give us a few examples where it is necessary. The only time i can see it being necessary for workers to enjoy the clause is where they want to earn extra through overtime.

Incidentally, most Unions state it should be removed because unscrupulous employers will bully or blackmail workers into signing to opt out. Seems a bit strange that one the Labour government not wanting to follow the unions on workers rights etc?

Well neither are you it dont wash mate...I dont really have much of an opinion on the opt out clause either way to be honest, yeh good points...whatever...the Tories opposed any kind of working time directive like I thought they would (lol@the excuses Maggie took what suited her and ditched what didnt) now frig off back to your Ivory tower and come back when you have a clue...and to reiterate I dont think the sun shines out of Labours arse either

[arista]

The Utter Stinking New Labour Corrupt Legacy
that One Eyed Scottish Brown can not escape from
Fact.

[arista]

More Dead under Corrupt New Labour (Led by One Eyed Scottish Brown)
than the Falklands conflict.