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Niamh. · 29-03-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Now you are saying that you know better than God?

heaven help us..

Where exactly did I say I knew better than God?

WOMBAI · 29-03-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Now you are saying that you know better than God?

heaven help us..

If someone doesn't believe in God - then, of course, they would believe that they and everyone else, knew better than someone that didn't even exist! Stands to reason!

Wildcat! · 29-03-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick

Is it? LOL

I was being serious..

yEAh I figured. I dont mean your beliefs, just the wording is hilarious!

Crimson Dynamo · 29-03-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

If someone doesn't believe in God - then, of course, they would believe that they and everyone else, knew better than someone that didn't even exist! Stands to reason!

as would my reaction!

Niamh. · 29-03-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

as would my reaction!

Sorry but you still haven't answered my question, Can you tell me where I said I knew better than God please?

Crimson Dynamo · 29-03-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Sorry but you still haven't answered my question, Can you tell me where I said I knew better than God please?

"It was funny, but true, If there is a God, is he really that vain and unreasonable that he'd send you to hell for not believing in him? I think not."

^^^^

Niamh. · 29-03-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"It was funny, but true, If there is a God, is he really that vain and unreasonable that he'd send you to hell for not believing in him? I think not."

^^^^

I was asking a question and I said nothing about knowing better than God, I said I thought that mans idea of God sending people to hell for not believing in him was not true

bronaaaa · 29-03-2010, 04:23 PM

I'm going to France, so I'll go if mother goes hunting for a church

Crimson Dynamo · 29-03-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I was asking a question and I said nothing about knowing better than God, I said I thought that mans idea of God sending people to hell for not believing in him was not true

now i am confused. Anyways. God does not send anyone to "hell" for not believing - but non-believers will spend an eternity away from God's everlasting love.

Thems the apples.

Niamh. · 29-03-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

now i am confused. Anyways. God does not send anyone to "hell" for not believing - but non-believers will spend an eternity away from God's everlasting love.

Thems the apples.

Away from his everlasting love eh? Who told you that? The Bible? Remind who wrote the bible again.............oh yeah, men did. If that's true he sounds like a complete evil *****, are you sure you're not talking about the Devil?

Wildcat! · 29-03-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

now i am confused. Anyways. God does not send anyone to "hell" for not believing - but non-believers will spend an eternity away from God's everlasting love.

Thems the apples.

What about the pre destination stuff? Its one thing that I always struggle to understand in my faith! I mean we are supposed to be made a certain way. Non believers are made that way, and there is nothing they can do about it! RIght? At least thats how I understand it. So whats up with that?

Crimson Dynamo · 29-03-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Away from his everlasting love eh? Who told you that? The Bible? Remind who wrote the bible again.............oh yeah, men did. If that's true he sounds like a complete evil *****, are you sure you're not talking about the Devil?

Life and death is not an episode from the Waltons.

Beastie · 29-03-2010, 04:34 PM

I might go..

Jessica. · 29-03-2010, 04:35 PM

I went last Easter and the year before that so I may.

Crimson Dynamo · 29-03-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat!

What about the pre destination stuff? Its one thing that I always struggle to understand in my faith! I mean we are supposed to be made a certain way. Non believers are made that way, and there is nothing they can do about it! RIght? At least thats how I understand it. So whats up with that?

http://www.carm.org/predestination-and-election

*mazedsalv** · 29-03-2010, 04:39 PM

Im going to have to, Im supposed to be Roman Catholic and none of my family have been since September (a wedding), we didnt even go to the Italian mass on Christmas. And the priest is always like "Nice for you to turn up"

I really should start going more often

Wildcat! · 29-03-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

http://www.carm.org/predestination-and-election

I dont want to read some article. Is it not the case, that we are predestined to act as we do, and believe what we believe, because of the way we were made by god right?

Beastie · 29-03-2010, 04:45 PM

I will have to check out when the services are on! Usually it is Easter Sunday at 9am but I am having a party on the Saturday night! I hope there are other services at different times.. lol

Crimson Dynamo · 29-03-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat!

I dont want to read some article. Is it not the case, that we are predestined to act as we do, and believe what we believe, because of the way we were made by god right?

In the Reformed (Calvinist) camp, predestination includes individuals. In other words, the Reformed doctrine of predestination is that God predestines whom He wants to be saved and that without this predestination, none would be saved. The non-Reformed camp states that God predestines people to salvation, but that these people freely choose to follow God on their own. In other words, in the non-Reformed perspective, God is reacting to the will of individuals and predestining them only because they choose God where by contrast the Reformed position states that people choose God only because He has first predestined them.

Stacey. · 29-03-2010, 04:51 PM

yeah.
because Im on work experience, and the primary school do a little service thing... so i'll be there

WOMBAI · 29-03-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

In the Reformed (Calvinist) camp, predestination includes individuals. In other words, the Reformed doctrine of predestination is that God predestines whom He wants to be saved and that without this predestination, none would be saved. The non-Reformed camp states that God predestines people to salvation, but that these people freely choose to follow God on their own. In other words, in the non-Reformed perspective, God is reacting to the will of individuals and predestining them only because they choose God where by contrast the Reformed position states that people choose God only because He has first predestined them.

Come again! What a load of waffle!

Wildcat! · 29-03-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

In the Reformed (Calvinist) camp, predestination includes individuals. In other words, the Reformed doctrine of predestination is that God predestines whom He wants to be saved and that without this predestination, none would be saved. The non-Reformed camp states that God predestines people to salvation, but that these people freely choose to follow God on their own. In other words, in the non-Reformed perspective, God is reacting to the will of individuals and predestining them only because they choose God where by contrast the Reformed position states that people choose God only because He has first predestined them.

MAn! OK. Well thats the one thing that I could never quite grasp. In Islam I think its the first one that they accept. So basically you choose god because he predestined you to do so.

WOMBAI · 29-03-2010, 05:08 PM

Doesn't that also mean that he predestined you not to do so - how can one apply without the other - so how can he then punish those that don't choose God, by excluding them from his everlasting love - if it is not their fault! And anyway - do parents stop loving their kids when they don't follow the path that they would choose for them? None of it makes any logical sense!

Wildcat! · 29-03-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Doesn't that also mean that he predestined you not to do so - how can one apply without the other - so how can he then punish those that don't choose God, by excluding them from his everlasting love - if it is not their fault! And anyway - do parents stop loving their kids when they don't follow the path that they would choose for them? None of it makes any logical sense!

But thats how the religion is though! If youre christian, you are supposed to believe in that. Go read about predestination, and you will see, thats the case.
Thats why there are certain things in my religion I cant quite understand, and I can only assume that maybe our interpretation is not accurate.

LewisMarvel · 29-03-2010, 05:20 PM

I don't want to go because i don't believe in god and jesus being god's son but my mum is dragging me to go

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