[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

yeah, that sounds like a good idea, with the exception of course of it being for medical reasons like the baby or mothers life was in danger

Naturally - medical reasons are completely legitimate reasons for termination on the NHS!

[Jords]

Was gonna ask what the terms meant but Im guessing:
Pro Choice = Abortion Allowable
Pro Life = Abortion Not Allowable
?

Imo, abortion should be acceptable if the mother is in danger by giving birth (double effect), cannot afford to bring up a baby and did use contraception, became pregnant due to rape or if the baby will be born with serious disabilites.

If used as a form of contraception (i.e. didnt use any whilst having sex), then Im not so up for it, but more Pro Choice.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Jords

Was gonna ask what the terms meant but Im guessing:
Pro Choice = Abortion Allowable
Pro Life = Abortion Not Allowable
?

Yep.


I'm Pro-Choice.

[Beastie]

Pro choice.

However the limit should be lowered from 24 weeks to.. well not sure.. to 3 or 4 months?

Mmm however for myself I am more to pro life.. I could not go through with an abortion.

I am surprised abortion is illegal in Ireland. However more contraception has to be used. Use the condom AND pill if you are weary you could get pregnant.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Pro choice.

However the limit should be lowered from 24 weeks to.. well not sure.. to 3 or 4 months?

Mmm however for myself I am more to pro life.. I could not go through with an abortion.

I am surprised abortion is illegal in Ireland. However more contraception has to be used. Use the condom AND pill if you are weary you could get pregnant.

I think it's good that it's illegal here, atleast if a girl wants to have an abortion she can travel to England to do it but because it's such an ordeal and expense to have to do it she might not be as careless in the future (talking about girls who get pregnant because of un protected sex here btw)

[Stacey.]

Originally Posted by Jords

Was gonna ask what the terms meant but Im guessing:
Pro Choice = Abortion Allowable
Pro Life = Abortion Not Allowable
?

lmao, at least you had an idea! and it was right!!
i had to search them on google

[Shasown]

There is no restriction time wise on abortion for genuine life threatening conditions, whereby the life of the mother would be threatened by full term gestation and delivery.

It should be noted that most abortions actually take place very early in the pregnancy, from 2006 figures for England and Wales :

89% of abortions were carried out at under 13 weeks gestation; 68% were at under 10 weeks, and over 95% of abortions are carried out before 19 weeks

Later abortions consist almost exclusively of abortions because of congenital deformities of the foetus, on medical advice.

If women who used abortions as a means of contraception were asked to pay for this service, you would see an increase in the number of backstreet and diy abortions.


Currently abortions are classified since 1991 as follows:

Non Emergency
A - the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life of the pregnant women greater than if the pregnancy were terminated.
B - the termination is necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman.
C - the pregnancy has NOT exceeded its 24th week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman.
D - the pregnancy has NOT exceeded its 24th week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the existing child(ren) of the family of the pregnant woman
E - there is substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped.

Emergency
F - it was necessary to save the life of the woman.
G - it was necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman.

The argument for lowering the time limit is based simply upon the fact that most physical and mental abnormalities of the developing foetus can be detected a lot earlier and a higher proportion of premature babies born after 22-24 weeks surviving with good quality of life.

[Crimson Dynamo]

everyone always goes on about Rape like this is a regular occurrence

does anyone know how many women were successfully impregnated from a rape in the last say 10 years?

[pinkmichk]

i agree with laura and brona i'm very much pro life in my own life but if someone i know has one (i have 2 friends who have) i havent held it against them cos like i say pro life is my views they obviously have theirs

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

everyone always goes on about Rape like this is a regular occurrence

does anyone know how many women were successfully impregnated from a rape in the last say 10 years?

What exactly does that have to do with anything LT?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

What exactly does that have to do with anything LT?

Every debate about abortion always gets this thrown at it when it is a tiny tiny percentage of cases that are outwith general legislation and have no part in the debate.

It would be similar to having a debate about getting rid of red traffic lights because you may have to go through one to save someone from committing suicide.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Every debate about abortion always gets this thrown at it when it is a tiny tiny percentage of cases that are outwith general legislation and have no part in the debate.

It would be similar to having a debate about getting rid of red traffic lights because you may have to go through one to save someone from committing suicide.

Not at all, for example I would say I would never ever have an abortion but would always add that I had never been raped so could not say for definate if I would or wouldn't if I became pregnant as result of that. It may be unlikely but it is not impossible either LT so of course it can be brought into the discussion

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Not at all, for example I would say I would never ever have an abortion but would always add that I had never been raped so could not say for definate if I would or wouldn't if I became pregnant as result of that. It may be unlikely but it is not impossible either LT so of course it can be brought into the discussion

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Kitty

Pro choice.

BUT I do have a really big problem with girls/women who see abortion as a method of contraception almost and treat it like it's nothing. And I think the legal time frame needs bringing down to less than 20 weeks also, apart from when there is risk to either the mother or child by continuing with the pregnancy.

Agree. But in this day and age there is absolutely no excuse to get pregnant if you don't want to. Also some women don't seem to understand that an abortion can have huge pyschological ramifications in years to come, and sometimes physical ones in that the opportunity to become pregnant when you are good and ready may never present itself in the future, since abortions (particularly multiple abortions) can affect your future fertility.

[WOMBAI]

People are always entitled to their own opinions, of course, but as soon as people start attempting to legislate against abortion - that is when they start trying to force their opinion on others - and that is what I can't abide!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

People are always entitled to their own opinions, of course, but as soon as people start attempting to legislate against abortion - that is when they start trying to force their opinion on others - and that is what I can't abide!

But I suppose if these people are that anti-abortion they see it as not their opinion but rather preventing murder.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

But I suppose if these people are that anti-abortion they see it as not their opinion but rather preventing murder.

With modern technology it is now viable for even a 22 week foetus to survive, so I would say that to abort any later than this could be construed as murder. However, I believe the law does not recognise the foetus as a human being, so therefore no murder charge could be brought, so it is still a matter for an individual's conscience.

Personally, I believe that life begins with conception and that to abort a baby at any stage of gestation is morally wrong - BUT that is only my personal opinion which I would never presume to foist on anyone else.

As for the recent newspaper article suggesting we allow premature babies to die since any medical intervention is somehow interfering with nature, I am frankly gobsmacked. This is blatantly hypocrital since, according to this view, a conceived child would have the expectation of being born if nature were to take its course.

Should we then allow ALL people with serious illnesses or injuries to just die on the grounds that "nature should take its course" even though we have the medical technology to save such people? Seems the government have missed a trick if they want to cut NHS spending!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by angus58

With modern technology it is now viable for even a 22 week foetus to survive, so I would say that to abort any later than this could be construed as murder. However, I believe the law does not recognise the foetus as a human being, so therefore no murder charge could be brought, so it is still a matter for an individual's conscience.

Personally, I believe that life begins with conception and that to abort a baby at any stage of gestation is morally wrong - BUT that is only my personal opinion which I would never presume to foist on anyone else.

As for the recent newspaper article suggesting we allow premature babies to die since any medical intervention is somehow interfering with nature, I am frankly gobsmacked. This is blatantly hypocrital since, according to this view, a conceived child would have the expectation of being born if nature were to take its course.

Should we then allow ALL people with serious illnesses or injuries to just die on the grounds that "nature should take its course" even though we have the medical technology to save such people? Seems the government have missed a trick if they want to cut NHS spending!

I agree with you absolutely, I was simply saying that some people feel so strongly about the fact that it's murder than it is not simply "forcing their view" on people