[BB_Eye]

He should have strangled that crying, whinging bitch who stormed out.

[BB_Eye]

In all seriousness though, I completely sympathise with his situation, but personally I blame the useless parents of the sorts of vermin that pass for secondary school pupils these days more than the education system although the tail is very much wagging the dog in that department too.

[Lucy.]

To me, nowadays being a teacher sounds less enjoyable than working in waste disposal.
You get more **** from the kids!

[*mazedsalv**]

How can people even defend the teachers actions?? Most 14 years old do stuff like that, around 90% or more i would say, so your saying that this is suitable? Ohh yeah sure, most students would be dead by now if you think thats a stuitable punishment.

Chucking out a girl for playing with blinds, WTF and hitting a student with 3kg weights. ****ing psycho.

I was one of those students when I was between the age of 12-14. I guess if i went to that school i would be dead. The pupils did go too far but other punishments would have been much better.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

How can people even defend the teachers actions?? Most 14 years old do stuff like that, around 90% or more i would say, so your saying that this is suitable? Ohh yeah sure, most students would be dead by now if you think thats a stuitable punishment.

Chucking out a girl for playing with blinds, WTF and hitting a student with 3kg weights. ****ing psycho.

No one is saying it is a suitable punishment. Just that the pupils in that classroom are total vermin who deserve zero sympathy.

[zotler.]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

How can people even defend the teachers actions?? Most 14 years old do stuff like that, around 90% or more i would say, so your saying that this is suitable? Ohh yeah sure, most students would be dead by now if you think thats a stuitable punishment.

Chucking out a girl for playing with blinds, WTF and hitting a student with 3kg weights. ****ing psycho.

I was one of those students when I was between the age of 12-14. I guess if i went to that school i would be dead. The pupils did go too far but other punishments would have been much better.

Considering that most schools tolerate a "no physical violence" policy, yes, another punishment would've been better suited. At my school, if were to do something like that, we would get an extremely long period of isolation, where we have to sit in a room on our own to do classwork. (Yeah, I suppose this is an EXTREME case) It's usually quite affective. Honestly, if you can't handle the fact that some children WILL try to piss you off, then you're not suited to be a teacher.
I think the easier it is to get on a teacher's nerves, the more the students will try do it. My Statistics teacher gets pissed off really easily, so most people act up in her lesson and it ends up consisting of her sending people out, threatening to give detentions and send yellow/red cards home.
I also notice how the generally nice teachers don't seem to get much trouble, at least, not in my lessons.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

How can people even defend the teachers actions?? Most 14 years old do stuff like that, around 90% or more i would say, so your saying that this is suitable? Ohh yeah sure, most students would be dead by now if you think thats a stuitable punishment.

Chucking out a girl for playing with blinds, WTF and hitting a student with 3kg weights. ****ing psycho.

I was one of those students when I was between the age of 12-14. I guess if i went to that school i would be dead. The pupils did go too far but other punishments would have been much better.

Personally, as I have said already in this thread, I do not condone his actions. Most rational people would either have shouted at him, or even throw a board duster (if they still exist). The teacher obviously had issues, and he snapped, due to continuous provocation. "People are going to die" are not the words of a rational man. He had only been back at school a few weeks after suffering a stroke brought on by stress. These kids full well knew this, and yet still continued berating him.

The boy obviously did not deserve his ordeal, but he had a part to play in this. It's unfortunately one of those incidents when the brain goes haywire. We can all understand how we lose our temper, and become irrational sometimes, just not on this scale.

The kids still need to be punished. The problem will not go away without some form of discipline.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

How can people even defend the teachers actions?? Most 14 years old do stuff like that, around 90% or more i would say, so your saying that this is suitable? Ohh yeah sure, most students would be dead by now if you think thats a stuitable punishment.

Chucking out a girl for playing with blinds, WTF and hitting a student with 3kg weights. ****ing psycho.

I was one of those students when I was between the age of 12-14. I guess if i went to that school i would be dead. The pupils did go too far but other punishments would have been much better.

Actually no, it's not true that most 14 year olds do "stuff like that" - there are far more that actually would like the chance to learn something but are prevented from doing so by moronic attention-seeking 14 yr olds, acting like 5year olds.

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by angus58

Actually no, it's not true that most 14 year olds do "stuff like that" - there are far more that actually would like the chance to learn something but are prevented from doing so by moronic attention-seeking 14 yr olds, acting like 5year olds.

Everyone I know acted up at that age, not even one person would want to learn at that age. Its all about other stuff that we found more important. I and my friends would never take education seriously at that age and that is the general feeling of the schools around the London area... but there are SOME 14 year olds who would like to study but thats in different areas.

Even an intelligent kid who loved education would at some point during this age misbehave, its puberty. 14 year olds think that everything is more important that education. Thank God I and all i know got our heads together when we reached 16 and all acchieved good grades.

Even some of my teatchers say it. They said to me, they would gladly reject teaching a class of Year 9's (13-14 year olds) but would love to teach 16+.

I was attention seeking at that age and was a chav, its a phase, most get out of it by the time you reach the age of 16.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

Everyone I know acted up at that age, not even one person would want to learn at that age. Its all about other stuff that we found more important. I and my friends would never take education seriously at that age and that is the general feeling of the schools around the London area... but there are SOME 14 year olds who would like to study but thats in different areas.

Even an intelligent kid who loved education would at some point during this age misbehave, its puberty. 14 year olds think that everything is more important that education. Thank God I and all i know got our heads together when we reached 16 and all acchieved good grades.

Even some of my teatchers say it. They said to me, they would gladly reject teaching a class of Year 9's (13-14 year olds) but would love to teach 16+.

I was attention seeking at that age and was a chav, its a phase, most get out of it by the time you reach the age of 16.

Again I repeat you are in the minority, but it only takes a selfish minority of attention seeking, disruptive kids to ruin the education of others. If such kids want to push a teacher's buttons, they will eventually get a reaction such as this because, believe it or not, teachers are human beings not robots with no feelings.

I'm glad commonsense prevailed in dealing with this man who clearly had a breakdown, something his school must have been aware was on the cards in view of his previous medical history.

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by angus58

Again I repeat you are in the minority, but it only takes a selfish minority of attention seeking, disruptive kids to ruin the education of others. If such kids want to push a teacher's buttons, they will eventually get a reaction such as this because, believe it or not, teachers are human beings not robots with no feelings.

I'm glad commonsense prevailed in dealing with this man who clearly had a breakdown, something his school must have been aware was on the cards in view of his previous medical history.

True. Obviously the bloke was troubled, but he shouldnt have been back at work that soon. He looked unstabled and even said that he "felt peaceful" after he smashed the pupils skull. Thats really not a very stable thing to stay.

[karezza]

Peter Harvey is a typical teacher - he can't teach, he hates his job & he doesn't like children.

[arista]

Peter Harvey walked
free from Court today.


The Judge confirmed he will get a Community Service Order soon.


BREAKING NEWS: Teacher who attacked pupil with dumb bell
in science class cleared of attempted murder

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0mVR8oxuP

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by arista

Peter Harvey walked
free from Court today.


The Judge confirmed he will get a Community Service Order soon.


BREAKING NEWS: Teacher who attacked pupil with dumb bell
in science class cleared of attempted murder

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0mVR8oxuP

I've just seen that on the news

[InOne]

Originally Posted by arista

Peter Harvey walked
free from Court today.


The Judge confirmed he will get a Community Service Order soon.


BREAKING NEWS: Teacher who attacked pupil with dumb bell
in science class cleared of attempted murder

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0mVR8oxuP

Good. I'm glad the jury saw both sides.

[Mrluvaluva]

Glad about this. Was just reading the article regarding him being spared a jail sentence.


"The boy gave evidence during the trial via video-link from a room in the court building.

Rex Tedd QC, defending, put it to him in cross-examination that he regularly disrupted lessons.

Mr Tedd said: 'On nine occasions in the last year you deliberately disrupted the teaching of your class. Can you remember anything about that?'

'No,' replied the boy.

'My suggestion is that youwere a leading light in the trouble that took place in that class.'

'No,' repeated the teenager.

The barrister said: 'You're saying you cannot remember any of the trouble that took place in that classroom?'

'No,' the boy said."


How convenient.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Glad about this. Was just reading the article regarding him being spared a jail sentence.


"The boy gave evidence during the trial via video-link from a room in the court building.

Rex Tedd QC, defending, put it to him in cross-examination that he regularly disrupted lessons.

Mr Tedd said: 'On nine occasions in the last year you deliberately disrupted the teaching of your class. Can you remember anything about that?'

'No,' replied the boy.

'My suggestion is that youwere a leading light in the trouble that took place in that class.'

'No,' repeated the teenager.

The barrister said: 'You're saying you cannot remember any of the trouble that took place in that classroom?'

'No,' the boy said."


How convenient.

Wow, maybe he cause severe braindamage to the kid. Nah, on second thought's he's just a moron.

[Tom4784]

He only got Community Service? What a joke.

I don't care what troubles he had in the past, if he wasn't up to teaching then he shouldn't have been in the classroom. At the end of the day he beat a kid's head in with a weight, If it was any other circumstance he would have gone down and rightfully so. So what the kid was being a b*stard, he's 14 years old for christ sake the teacher should have known better then to rise to it.

So what next? Running over 10 year old's that don't do their homework? Glassing 7 year old's that acidently spill something? It sickens me it truly does.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

He only got Community Service? What a joke.

I don't care what troubles he had in the past, if he wasn't up to teaching then he shouldn't have been in the classroom. At the end of the day he beat a kid's head in with a weight, If it was any other circumstance he would have gone down and rightfully so. So what the kid was being a b*stard, he's 14 years old for christ sake the teacher should have known better then to rise to it.

So what next? Running over 10 year old's that don't do their homework? Glassing 7 year old's that acidently spill something? It sickens me it truly does.

Its no Joke
justice is Done
Dezzy you are Out of Touch

[Mrluvaluva]

The CPS have released some of the CCTV footage that took place during and after the attack which has been shown on SKY.

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am glad they let Grantly off as Waterloo road would have been crap without him

[Beastie]

I bet the teacher wanted to give his pupil a good spit roast!

[Angus]

The teenage girl who was the ringleader had videoed the whole incident, which was played to the court. It showed how the class had goaded him, in particular this boy who was a well known troublemaker and who seems to have finally got what he deserved. If he's got brain damage as a result, it can only be an improvement.

[Shasown]

Its good to see that people have a grip on reality.

He wasnt in a state of mind to be classed as legally responsible for his actions, at the time of the attack.

However he had served 8 months on remand for the attack, this probably given his lack of criminal record and his remorse for the attack is more than he would have received as a sentence anyway.

Sectioning is different from punishing under criminal law. He was deemed prior to the attack to have been fit to return to work, since the attack he has been receiving treatment on a voluntary basis. What good would sectioning, which is detaining someone under the Mental Health Act 1983 achieve?

[MrGaryy]

I'm really happy to hear he didnt get sent down for this, I think it would have been unjust. Yes the man overreacred majorly, yes it';s unjustifiable and yes he shouldn't have been in that classroom at all if he wasnt fit enough to handle it but that doesn't erase the fact that those kids pushed it WAY over the limit, they deliberately provoked him and did it not out of hormones or puberty but out of sheer badness.

there was a teacher in my school who actually had a mental breakdown because the students bullied her so badly and continue to do so. I recall one time someone stole her keys with keys to her car and house and let her spend a whole class looking for them only to go outside afterwards and throw them in a river. Just plain nasty and disrespectful.

But I also think it's unfair to generalise like the media have and realise that the vast majority of kids do actually understand the difference between right and wrong and though they may not act on their feelings, a lot of kids you'll find will disapprove of the serious troublemakers.