[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Mark

Election 2010: What do you Want?

43%
Labour & Lib Dem

24%
Tory & Lib Dems/DUP

33%
Another General Election

Facebook poll with 700,000 votes. Cameron was nothing more than an anti-Brown vote.

Facebook is full of people who just "jump on the bandwagon" and most of them are probably "teeny boppers" who joined the groups.. therefore it is false statistics!!

[Mark]

Lab-Lib ended the disaster in 1974, they can do it again. Brown needs to hand over to Milliband so he can be the new face of politics.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mark

Lab-Lib ended the disaster in 1974, they can do it again. Brown needs to hand over to Milliband so he can be the new face of politics.

What he needs to do first is go to the Queen.

As for Milliband - what happens if he does not want it yet?
You need others to pick.

Look what went on when Blair gave
it to Brown.

So New Dead Labour need a 10 year rest first

First thing is Getting Our New PM David Cameron into 10 Downing St.

[Beastie]

So tomorrow is a pivotal day.. David Cameron will become PM and hopefully we will see the BB11 eye!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Mark

Lab-Lib ended the disaster in 1974, they can do it again. Brown needs to hand over to Milliband so he can be the new face of politics.

Just to clarify, there was no coalition with the liberals in 1974, though there was briefly a Lib/Lab pact in 1977/78. In 1974 Wilson formed a minority government with 301 seats, after Ted Heath resigned. Wilson went to the country six months later and was returned with a small majority. When Wilson resigned in 1976 Callaghan became leader and just two short years later, we had the winter of discontent, which led to Margaret Thatcher winning the 1979 General Election with an overall majority of 43 seats.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by arista

What he needs to do first is go to the Queen.

As for Milliband - what happens if he does not want it yet?
You need others to pick.

Look what went on when Blair gave
it to Brown.

So New Dead Labour need a 10 year rest first

First thing is Getting Our New PM David Cameron into 10 Downing St.

According to the Labour rag (The Mirror), David Miliband's brother, Ed Miliband is going to challenge him for the leadership. I shall look forward to a bit of sibling rivalry!

However, the public are not going to tolerate yet another UNELECTED PM being foisted on it by New Labour, who seem to think they can bypass the ballot box on this issue whenever they feel like it. If they try that stunt again, Miliband will suffer the same fate as Brown at the next election. Of course they might just pick Harriet Harman which would guarantee Labour being out in the wilderness for years to come!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Mark

Lab-Lib ended the disaster in 1974, they can do it again. Brown needs to hand over to Milliband so he can be the new face of politics.

Lib Lab pact was in 77 lasted for a year

In 74 there was an election in the Feb, result was a hung parliament, Heath (the sitting PM) had a greater percentage of the votes but less seats than Labour he tried to make a pact with Liberal Leader Jeremy Thorp it fell through. Took a few weeks to sort out but eventually Harold Wilson made a deal with the Ulster Unionists for support and was returned to power. He later called another general election in the October of that year in order to try and gain a majority. He ended up with a majority of three seats.

Wilson retired in 76 due to ill health and James Callaghan (another unelected Labour PM) took over, in 77 following labour defections and Scottish Labour Party breakaway Callaghan actually ran a minority government so made a deal with David Steel leader of the Liberal party.

This ran for a year then fell apart. Labour then sort support from both the SNP and Plaid Cymru, this led to an extension of the Labour administration however following devolution referendums and Labours refusal to push for regional assemblies, the SNP left the coalition. There was then a vote of no confidence and it toppled the government forcing an election in 79, Up steps maggie to the mark and the rest is history.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Lib Lab pact was in 77 lasted for a year

In 74 there was an election in the Feb, result was a hung parliament, Heath (the sitting PM) had a greater percentage of the votes but less seats than Labour he tried to make a pact with Liberal Leader Jeremy Thorp it fell through. Took a few weeks to sort out but eventually Harold Wilson made a deal with the Ulster Unionists for support and was returned to power. He later called another general election in the October of that year in order to try and gain a majority. He ended up with a majority of three seats.

Wilson retired in 76 due to ill health and James Callaghan (another unelected Labour PM) took over, in 77 following labour defections and Scottish Labour Party breakaway Callaghan actually ran a minority government so made a deal with David Steel leader of the Liberal party.

This ran for a year then fell apart. Labour then sort support from both the SNP and Plaid Cymru, this led to an extension of the Labour administration however following devolution referendums and Labours refusal to push for regional assemblies, the SNP left the coalition. There was then a vote of no confidence and it toppled the government forcing an election in 79, Up steps maggie to the mark and the rest is history.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man (or in this case woman)-In my opinion, the best PM since Churchill, and none better since. During the election campaign, Mrs Thatcher said the Conservatives would cut income tax, reduce public expenditure, make it easier for people to buy their own homes and curb the power of the unions. She delivered on all of them.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by angus58

Cometh the hour, cometh the man (or in this case woman)-In my opinion, the best PM since Churchill, and none better since. During the election campaign, Mrs Thatcher said the Conservatives would cut income tax, reduce public expenditure, make it easier for people to buy their own homes and curb the power of the unions. She delivered on all of them.

Indeed she did and more, nice wage rises to the troops, a slap around the head to S American Dictatorships etc. and sorted out the economy too. Eased the problems with the balance of Payments and stood up to Europe.

All pretty much effectively undone by Blair and Brown, the laurel and hardy of Politics.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Wow, do you really believe that Dezzy? Take over those labour tinted glasses and look at the real truth. The last election the conservatives didnt have effective leadership, they were still a party divided.

This time round people see Labour as the wicked witch of the west. Thats why they lost their sizeable majority.

I'm no fan of labour I'm just saying what will likely happen, like I said before Cameron was an anti-Brown vote not a vote for the Tories. Unless the next few months go well then the Tories are screwed. If it was down to me I'd say screw both and go for the LibDems but Labour has the biggest support really, it was only Brown that hurt them in the votes and even then there were only so many seats in it.

I said it above but the fact that the Tories couldn't get a proper win after the last few years of labour government speaks volumes about the support for them.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm no fan of labour I'm just saying what will likely happen, like I said before Cameron was an anti-Brown vote not a vote for the Tories. Unless the next few months go well then the Tories are screwed. If it was down to me I'd say screw both and go for the LibDems but Labour has the biggest support really, it was only Brown that hurt them in the votes and even then there were only so many seats in it.

I said it above but the fact that the Tories couldn't get a proper win after the last few years of labour government speaks volumes about the support for them.

I will let you into a little secret, if you thought maggie had a bad rep after her time in office, wait till the next election. Whoever ends up in government over the next few months are going to have to make some devastating cuts to the public sector, not just cutting fraud on the nash, they have to lose nearly three quarters of a million no matks in the civil service and raise taxes just to somehow service the debt that labour has put us in. Then anything on top will be a bit of a brucie.

Labour love the fact they are out of power because they know they didnt have to clean up Tony and Gordons mess. Thats one reason why gordons not trying to force a coalition with the Lib Dems or others. The labour party will sit out the next series of cuts etc and look like the heroes riding in on the white horse to dole out lots of allowances to the workshy, relax border controls etc to bring in extra labour voters. Basically to undo all the savings etc the next government will make in its time in office.

Thats basically what Tony and Gordon done when taking over from John Major and co. Thats what they will do again, or they hope to do.

Thats the way UK politics actually works, the tories build up the economy, Labour waste it and then bring the country into debt.

For my next lesson we will look at how Tony Blair tried to instigate Tory policies alongside Labour spending and why he failed.

[cupid stunt]

dizzee shud be da prime minister or maybe wiley

[cupid stunt]

if cameron try cut peoples benefits then man dem gonna be rioting in da hood best believe it

[arista]

Originally Posted by cupid stunt

if cameron try cut peoples benefits then man dem gonna be rioting in da hood best believe it

"dem da"


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It May be a shock to you
but all of them would Cut Money.

[arista]

Originally Posted by cupid stunt

dizzee shud be da prime minister or maybe wiley

No he has no Wife.

[Angus]

Realistically, only two possible outcomes here, either a workable Con/Libdem coalition or Cameron forms a minority government. Posture as he may Brown is on his own in his desperation to cling to power under any circumstances - his own cabinet want to see the back of him. As for his hopes of a rainbow coalition, it is never going to happen since it would be made up of a bunch of LOSERS who do not have the mandate from the people to govern. What's more, in order to get SNP and Plaid Cymru on board Labour would have to pay them MILLIONS of our money, which Labour have NO RIGHT to do as it is a party political issue and not an issue in the interests of the country.

If Cleggy is going to be awkward and timewaste, Cameron needs to tell him to get lost and then get on and govern the country with a minority,(the Labour Party governed with a minority goverment of only 301 seats after the 1974 election) and then have another General Election in the autumn.

The LibDems have this one and only opportunity to have any say whatsoever in the running of this country, if they don't want to do so, they should p*ss off. One thing is certain LibDems will lose even more seats in the autumn election because next time the people will want to ensure either a Labour or Conservative government is elected with a majority. Funny thing is that even if Labour got ALL the LibDem seats next time around THEY would still not have a majority!!

[Stephanie]

Originally Posted by cupid stunt

dizzee shud be da prime minister or maybe wiley

dizzee

but no, that would just be utterly stupid.

[cupid stunt]

Originally Posted by arista

No he has no Wife.

since when did a politican need 2 have a wife? half of them ****ers are batty boys anyway whether they married or not

[cupid stunt]

swear down nick clegg needs 2 hurry da **** up then we can finally have coffee shops over here and ppl over 18 can buy ganja wi out bein terrorised by police scum

[xDramatick]

Originally Posted by cupid stunt

since when did a politican need 2 have a wife? half of them ****ers are batty boys anyway whether they married or not

when will you learn - homophobic behaviour will not be tolerated on this site.
-sigh-

[arista]

Originally Posted by Darenn

when will you learn - homophobic behaviour will not be tolerated on this site.
-sigh-

Darenn
He will Never Change.



So Give Up or maybe ask James to Ban him
yet again.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by angus58

I want Dave as PM too, but I am sick of watching Cleggy boy calling the shots, and I do not want too many concessions given to a party who were onlyable to win 57 seat throughout the entire country. Clegg won't ally himself to Labour because he is not so stupid as to trust a bunch of bandits who will say and do anything to cling onto power and then renege. Nor does he want to cosy up to a party that has clearly lost the trust and respect of the people of this country, because the terms of such a coalition were that there would be a new Leader of the Labour Party and the GBP will NOT tolerate having another UNELECTED PM thrust upon us without another General Election.

I would rather Cameron tell Clegg the score and he can take it or leave it. I am more inclined to Tebbit's view that Cameron should just go it alone. A second General Election is inevitable regardless, so at least Cameron as PM of a minority government can push through a lot of reforms that do not require a commons vote. Never mind whether the LibDems back a coalition - it is looking increasingly likely that many Tories do NOT.

I do not want to see conservative policies watered down or compromised, I didn't vote for that.

And no doubt many only voted for Conservative believing Cameron's pledge to work with the Lib Dems - they may well have not voted for an all Tory government - that would go down really well if he reneges on the deal!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

And no doubt many only voted for Conservative believing Cameron's pledge to work with the Lib Dems - they may well have not voted for an all Tory government - that would go down really well if he reneges on the deal!

Why on earth would anyone who wanted the Lib Dems in vote conservative in that case? Makes no sense since there was no coalition talk prior to the election (only from Clegg and Brown as far as I recall).

Even if every seat that Clegg won had been won by Labour, they still would not have got enough seats to form anything more than a minority government, which Cameron is already able to do. I say ditch Clegg, form a minority government and call another General Election in the autumn when hopefully we will have a more decisive result.

It is interesting that across the entire nation the Conservatives needed only an additional 16000 votes to win an outright majority. In Bolton West they were just 92 short, and in Ed Balls' constituency they were about 1,000 short of toppling the pompous idiot.

[arista]

No need to Ditch Clegg
they will make use of him to get all the Votes in the house through.


And if Nick plays it OK
he can have some of the Cherry Pie.



But at least
New Dead Labour is going to be small.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Mark

Englands future lies with this man.

go milliband. Strangle Brown with those girly man hands.