[ange7]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Guys can you please keep this conversation friendly and stick to the subject!

he called me a moron :P ... that's why I reported him. That's rwwwude! hehe
Plus he got banned last year for having 2 extra account .....WHO HE HAD 3 WAY CONVERSATIONS WITH :P

ok back on topic
pc haters try to make themselves out to be the victims. "ooooo it's pc gone mad!!!". Would it kill them to just say "mixed race" instead of "half **st"? But oh no poor things... being 'forced' to be a little more accommodating makes them flip out.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by ange7

he called me a moron :P ... that's why I reported him. That's rwwwude! hehe
Plus he got banned last year for having 2 extra account .....WHO HE HAD 3 WAY CONVERSATIONS WITH :P

ok back on topic
pc haters try to make themselves out to be the victims. "ooooo it's pc gone mad!!!". Would it kill them to just say "mixed race" instead of "half **st"? But oh no poor things... being 'forced' to be a little more accommodating makes them flip out.

Well the discussion of him having extra accounts has nothing to with this topic or anything to do with right now (it was last year).

And i am monitoring the convo so if he insults again, then I or one of the other moderators will deal with it.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Well the discussion of him having extra accounts has nothing to with this topic or anything to do with right now (it was last year).

There is no discussion about it. Not this year and not last year. I am not suspected of this and never was.

Besides, why would I ever want to share out the credit. I rule, my posts rule, I'm awesome and want full credit.

'Half-caste' is not used in any derogatory way. I used the term once to refer to my impending child.
The problem with 'mixed-race' is that it suggest there are different races of humans and that is something I disagree with,
but,
if someone refers to my kids as 'mixed-race' I have the responsibility to accept the communication as THEY INTENDED IT. I don't get to decide they meant offense. They decide that.
I realize they did not mean any derogatory or negative thing but rather were choosing the best words they knew and meant well.

This is the very problem with PC word-policing - it supposes there is no obligations for the receiver. There is.

I don't get to declare 'mixed-race' as offensive when it isn't. The sender decides that. If the sender does decided to pour an offensive meaning into that term then I will receive it accordingly.

I have no doubt this went right over the heads of certain people. woooosh.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

There is no discussion about it. Not this year and not last year. I am not suspected of this and never was.

Besides, why would I ever want to share out the credit. I rule, my posts rule, I'm awesome and want full credit.

'Half-caste' is not used in any derogatory way. I used the term once to refer to my impending child.
The problem with 'mixed-race' is that it suggest there are different races of humans and that is something I disagree with,
but,
if someone refers to my kids as 'mixed-race' I have the responsibility to accept the communication as THEY INTENDED IT. I don't get to decide they meant offense. They decide that.
I realize they did not mean any derogatory or negative thing but rather were choosing the best words they knew and meant well.

This is the very problem with PC word-policing - it supposes there is no obligations for the receiver. There is.

I don't get to declare 'mixed-race' as offensive when it isn't. The sender decides that. If the sender does decided to pour an offensive meaning into that term then I will receive it accordingly.

I have no doubt this went right over the heads of certain people. woooosh.

"went right over their heads", "wooosh" ... that's all very cute but trying to belittle those that disagree with is playground stuff.
So according to you the way a person "receives" the possibly racist slur has more bearing than the it's historic context. Rubbish mate. That seem dumb to me because ignorance of a racially loaded word shouldn't excuse it. I'd hope you'd agree that if someone walked into a daycare center and shouted 'ni**ers! ni**ers!" at all the black kids that would still be a racist act DESPITE the receivers not necessarily understanding it. Your current definition ( and it is only yours thank god) would mean that a situation like that would be fine because no harm done...the receivers" didn't get it. That's a load of old ballz and possible the stupidest thing of heard from you. lol "wooosh" indeed.

The idea that the term "mixed-race" is more offensive than "half-caste" is funny. What your not understanding is how these terms were used in history and their context. "Half-caste" historically has been used to ostracize and demean the children from mixed parents and refers to them being 'lesser' or 'inferior' ... same way the term 'ni**er' was used to oppress and demean. The term 'mixed-race' has never had that history of usage. The fact that you personally are offended by it doesn't mean sh*t... it ain't all about you hehe

If you don't think it's offensive and don't know it's history..in real world situations people won't pick you up on 'half'cast' like they would with the word 'ni**er' because any idiot would have known how THAT would was used in history.

You problem is you don't want to appear racist but your too lazy or disinterested to find out which words are rubbish. You resent that 'people' need to tell you what's ok and isn't. So you throw up your hands a scream "it's political correctness gone mad!!' In fact if you had a wider circle of friends then you'd work out what is and isn't racist on your own. Better option is to make an effort to know what words are offensive and then simply use an alternative. You make out as if this is the hardest thing in the world and that somehow YOU are the victim because your 'forced' to modify a few stupid words. "oh it's political correctness gone mad!.. I can't even talk a pile of **** anymore with out someone having to fu**ing explain to me why I'm out of order". Get back under your rock then :P

[ange7]

lol turtle..I don't like this new 2 strikes policy....that you just made up 3 mins ago.

[teamandre]

well my real dad is a half cast i dont know what that makes me but hay but i dont find it offensive as you are not one or teh other you are both so no its not offensive .

[Angus]

Any word or combination of words can be "offensive" depending on the intent behind it - but why on earth people are determined to be "offended" by anything total strangers call them is ridiculous. I really couldn't give a toss what such people think of me or call me - their judgments of me are meaningless. It is the politically correct brigade who have given certain words and phrases the power to "offend" by seeking to ban or censure them.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by angus58

Any word or combination of words can be "offensive" depending on the intent behind it - but why on earth people are determined to be "offended" by anything total strangers call them is ridiculous. I really couldn't give a toss what such people think of me or call me - their judgments of me are meaningless. It is the politically correct brigade who have given certain words and phrases the power to "offend" by seeking to ban or censure them.

sorry.... you don't get to choose what minorities find offensive. That's a crazy utopia that you might masturbate to but in real life and among human beings ( the people you peep at through your letter box) words CAN be offensive....even from strangers. Humans are funny that way 'angus'

[Angus]

Originally Posted by ange7

sorry.... you don't get to choose what minorities find offensive. That's a crazy utopia that you might masturbate to but in real life and among human beings ( the people you peep at through your letter box) words CAN be offensive....even from strangers. Humans are funny that way 'angus'

Ah dear "Ange", the font of all wisdom and knowledge, and self appointed arbiter of vocabulary who speaks on behalf of the "minorities" who may or may not be offended by this or that spoken word, usually uttered by ignorant and moronic idiots. If you wish to give power to the imbecilic ramblings of such idiots carry on banning and censuring. I, myself, have been called many quite inventive things throughout my life, but since they are the nonsensical and meaningless opinions of strangers who don't even register on my radar, its all water off a duck's back.

I do so enjoy your swoopings in and out of the forum to dispense your predictable and dismissive opinions in your own inimitable patronising style, often interspersed with random metaphor. Full of wind and p*ss in many cases, but no less entertaining for that.

[DigitalSid]

It has NOTHING to do with being PC Banana.

Caste = latin word for pure therefore half caste = half pure

It comes from the Indian class system.

When you call someone half caste you are calling them half pure and lower class.

That^'s why it's offensive.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by DigitalSid

Caste = latin word for pure therefore half caste = half pure
It comes from the Indian class system.
When you call someone half caste you are calling them half pure and lower class.
That^'s why it's offensive.

Wrong.
See the lesson I gave you in another thread about how words work and evolve and meanings change as the users decide them.

In fact, almost everyone who uses that term today believes they are using the word 'cast'.
As in casting in a mold. As in the substance being poured into, put into (cast) the mold.
They do not even suppose it is from an Indian 'caste' system and even if they did they don't believe it is 'caste' as a latin for 'pure'.
and,
EVEN IF they supposed 'caste' referred to 'pure' they still do not intend this to mean 'less than half pure',
but,
are saying it in the sense of "My mother was pure German and my Father was pure English".
They mean that 'either half' was 'pure ___' and not that one is 'half pure and half impure'.

But none of that really matters when the truth is the modern usage will be they think and intend it to mean 'mixed-race' and in no way derogatory or demeaning.

You should also know there are PLENTY of words for which the original latin origins centuries ago would NOT mean what they do today.
If you actually applied to that rule yourself it would render you nearly speechless.
Which might be nice.

(nice.. a french town I mean huh?)

[DigitalSid]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Wrong.
See the lesson I gave you in another thread about how words work and evolve and meanings change as the users decide them.

In fact, almost everyone who uses that term today believes they are using the word 'cast'.
As in casting in a mold. As in the substance being poured into, put into (cast) the mold.
They do not even suppose it is from an Indian 'caste' system and even if they did they don't believe it is 'caste' as a latin for 'pure'.
and,
EVEN IF they supposed 'caste' referred to 'pure' they still do not intend this to mean 'less than half pure',
but,
are saying it in the sense of "My mother was pure German and my Father was pure English".
They mean that 'either half' was 'pure ___' and not that one is 'half pure and half impure'.

But none of that really matters when the truth is the modern usage will be they think and intend it to mean 'mixed-race' and in no way derogatory or demeaning.

You should also know there are PLENTY of words for which the original latin origins centuries ago would NOT mean what they do today.
If you actually applied to that rule yourself it would render you nearly speechless.
Which might be nice.

(nice.. a french town I mean huh?)

Can you not write anything in under 200 words? You do this in the main forum too. I know people don't know what it means when they say it and that they intend it to mean something different, but my explination IS why it's deemed offensive and which is what the OP was asking for and is what the term actually means.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by DigitalSid

It has NOTHING to do with being PC Banana.

Caste = latin word for pure therefore half caste = half pure

It comes from the Indian class system.

When you call someone half caste you are calling them half pure and lower class.

That^'s why it's offensive.

Nice ... you explained it in about 4 paragraphs less than I did. Serves me right for trying to break it down for poor ol' poximo.

[ange7]

me:"Half-caste" historically has been used to ostracize and demean the children from mixed parents and refers to them being 'lesser' or 'inferior' ...
El:'I doubt that but it doesn't matter what the historical usage was. It matter what the common usage is and in what meaning the sender intends to put into the word envelope.'
So first your point was that the 'receiver' (your words) and how they take the racial slur is what determines if it was racist. Now you've changes your tune and said it's "what the person meant" and that 'common usage' should dictate meaning. I agree that common usage dictates meaning but your problem is that YOUR definition isn't in the majority. Your definition of 'half-cats' isn't the common meaning....'cast' as in blah blah ...crazyness. That's just you and your ignorant mates.
Again...ignorance isn't an excuse but if you only ever mix with people like yourself then it won't ever be a problem.. ( but it could get a little crowded under that rock)

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by ange7

me:"Half-caste" historically has been used to ostracize and demean the children from mixed parents and refers to them being 'lesser' or 'inferior' ...

What I correctly told you is that nobody in the UK in this era uses that term in a derogatory way or to mean any sort of 'lesser' or 'inferior' sense.

I did know an Indian family who used the term 'caste' in their context and it was something they were proud of.
They were a little happy to boast of their 'caste' which was the 'highest' and 'best' caste.
However,
nobody in modern Britain or, for that matter, the US, Canada, Oz, NZ.. nobody uses that in a derogatory sense.

In fact almost everyone who ever used the term thinks it means 'half cast' in the sense of being 'cast' from two different gene pools.

I might also mention you refer to 'half-caste' people as 'minorities' which is 'by definition' a lesser and inferior term.
I decided that is offensive and therefore you are guilty. Racist bigot.

[Angus]

[QUOTE=ElProximo;3238437]What I correctly told you is that nobody in the UK in this era uses that term in a derogatory way or to mean any sort of 'lesser' or 'inferior' sense.

I did know an Indian family who used the term 'caste' in their context and it was something they were proud of.
They were a little happy to boast of their 'caste' which was the 'highest' and 'best' caste.
However,
nobody in modern Britain or, for that matter, the US, Canada, Oz, NZ.. nobody uses that in a derogatory sense.

In fact almost everyone who ever used the term thinks it means 'half cast' in the sense of being 'cast' from two different gene pools.

I might also mention you refer to 'half-caste' people as 'minorities' which is 'by definition' a lesser and inferior term.
I decided that is offensive and therefore you are guilty. Racist bigot.[/QUOTE


I find it extremely patronising and self aggrandising that the self appointed politically correct brigade determine firstly WHO are the "minorities", and secondly get to determine what words and phrases those "minorities" may or may not be offended by. Having thus determined these issues, these sanctimonious and self righteous prigs set about banning and censuring "offensive" vocabulary.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by angus58

I find it extremely patronising and self aggrandising that the self appointed politically correct brigade determine firstly WHO are the "minorities", and secondly get to determine what words and phrases those "minorities" may or may not be offended by. Having thus determined these issues, these sanctimonious and self righteous prigs set about banning and censuring "offensive" vocabulary.

Exactly and I'm now going to say something that seems to surprise most people but I challenge everyone to think about this:

Almost ALL of the people in this PC thinkspeak movement are white privileged liberal elitists,
and,
It is actually the WORST kind of condescending racism there is on the planet.
It is a 'patronising' type of 'white liberal guilt' that is so selfish it finds a way to 'alleviate their guilt' yet by putting it on OTHERS,
and,
then also getting 'credit' afterward.
It is just the most disgusting selfish condescending elitist type of superiority racism there is.

I know for sure many or even most people are momentarily confused that I am calling the PC crowd the worst racists,
but,
all i ask is that people think about this. If you think of it long enough you will see what I mean.

[Wildcat!]

I read through this thread, so I dont need to explain why its offensive anymore, as setanta, sashown, Ange7 and Digitalsid, have explained it perfectly well. If you want know, the answer to the OPs question, refer to their posts.
Now, for the life of me, I cant understand why some of you folks, insist on using terms that others find offensive, just because you dont want to be restricted in what you can, or cannot say. Ever! Surely, its not difficult to just say mixed race, or whatever other term, thats not known to offend?
But, it is a free country, its not illegal to say, so if you insist, use away. Thats fine, if you want to be considered either racist, or ignorant, because you will. I, and most people that I know, find it offensive, period! But again, like I said, its not illegal, so I cant punch you for saying it, I will only be glad to know what type of person you are. Of course there are exceptions when someone just doesnt know it does offend, as I am sure its the case for some people in this thread. BUt Id like to think that when they realize it offends certain people, they will stop using it. If not, carry on. There are people that carry on Using words like the N word for Black people, or the P word, for some asians. Its your right of freedom of expression. NO one can stop you from doing it.
I also have no problem with someone calling themselves half cast, if they so choose, there is nothing wrong with that, Just like if a black person refers to themselves as a ******. Got no problems with that. But If I was of mixed heritage, someone who calls me half cast wouldnt be a person I would have respect for, or even acknowledge. I tend to just ignore such people.

SO there you have it, you know what it means, you know why its offensive, its your choice weather you want to carry on using or not!

PS: for the person who says its not used in a deragatory way in the US, well Ive got new for you: Its not used, ever! Ive never heard it used there, never read about it, if you asked 90% of them, they woudlnt even know what you are reffering to. I think its mainly because people over there dont really refer to them as mixed, most of the time, even if they are. So that term, dont know about the past, but nowadays, it has completely vanished. JUst to tell you, its not difficult never to use it.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Surely, its not difficult to just say mixed race, or whatever other term, thats not known to offend?

I told you that 'mixed race' is offensive so why do you insist on using that term?
I asked you use 'half-cast' instead.
Yet you keep using insult terms even after it was explained to you its offensive and derogatory.

Why are you hurting half-cast people like that?
I want you to explain why you offended someone with that 'mixed-race' slur?

Please feel free to explain this to me now?

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I told you that 'mixed race' is offensive so why do you insist on using that term?
I asked you use 'half-cast' instead.
Yet you keep using insult terms even after it was explained to you its offensive and derogatory.

Why are you hurting half-cast people like that?
I want you to explain why you offended someone with that 'mixed-race' slur?

Please feel free to explain this to me now?

there you have it! it is a free country indeed, so ahead, carry on, and play dumb while youre at it.
At least people know what kind of a person you are. And at least i know to ignore you from now on!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

there you have it! it is a free country indeed, so ahead, carry on, and play dumb while youre at it.
At least people know what kind of a person you are. And at least i know to ignore you from now on!

the famous Wildcat IGNORE

hehe

[Niamh.]

I actually didn't know it was considered offensive Wildcat but having said that I never used the term anyway cos I don't like the sound of it. Not that it comes up much anyhow but yeah I can't understand why people would insist on using it when they know it's offensive other than that their goal is to offend of course