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SoFarSoGood282 · 28-06-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

She's on a BRITISH show in BRITAIN. If I were on an Irish show in Ireland maybe I would, our of respect, sing their anthem. What's more she should have been asked to wear a red shirt. John James wore a red shirt and he's an Aussie. She should have worn a red shirt with an Irish badge on it, but as usual, the more politically sensitive nations have to have special treatment.

An anthem is a song of loyalty or devotion, a song of praise. A national anthem is therefore by definition a song that praises a nation or expresses loyally to a nation. Caoimhe has no loyalty so why should she be a hypocrite and sing GSTQ!!

Livia · 28-06-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SoFarSoGood282

An anthem is a song of loyalty or devotion, a song of praise. A national anthem is therefore by definition a song that praises a nation or expresses loyally to a nation. Caoimhe has no loyalty so why should she be a hypocrite and sing GSTQ!!

Yeah, I understand the concept of a national anthem, although I think you're dragging it a little far there. But she shouldn't have had an exception made for her with the shirt unless they'd afforded the same privilege to John James. It was only a bit of fun, no one was asking her to make a political comment...

SoFarSoGood282 · 28-06-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, I understand the concept of a national anthem, although I think you're dragging it a little far there. But she shouldn't have had an exception made for her with the shirt unless they'd afforded the same privilege to John James. It was only a bit of fun, no one was asking her to make a political comment...

She was given the shirt by BB. JJ parents are English, he has a English passport!! JJ has said before that he supports England and watches the matches. I don't know the words to GSTQ, I wouldn't say she does either...

Claymores · 28-06-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, I understand the concept of a national anthem, although I think you're dragging it a little far there. But she shouldn't have had an exception made for her with the shirt unless they'd afforded the same privilege to John James. It was only a bit of fun, no one was asking her to make a political comment...

I sure as 'ell wouldn't have sung the English National Anthem or worn an Engerland strip. Nothing fun in oppressing others of a different nationality

tmx · 28-06-2010, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, I understand the concept of a national anthem, although I think you're dragging it a little far there. But she shouldn't have had an exception made for her with the shirt unless they'd afforded the same privilege to John James. It was only a bit of fun, no one was asking her to make a political comment...

Umm, they did offer JJ the Australian kit, but he said he supported England (he has a dual nationality)

Dave had the Welsh kit (it just happens to also be red)

So she didn't have an exception made for her, all the non-English housemates had the choice to wear the English kit or that of their own country

starry · 28-06-2010, 08:09 AM

She looked like she was trying not to scowl when the anthem was played.

stoney · 28-06-2010, 08:31 AM

why did they use the British national anthem for the English national anthem

Claymores · 28-06-2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by stoney

why did they use the British national anthem for the English national anthem

Constitutionally, I'd thought GSTQ became England's National Anthem once Scotland officially dropped it and retook it's own

AngelChair · 28-06-2010, 09:56 AM

She did make a face regarding it, but i just think she felt awkward because she didnt know the words!

Otherwise she might have been singing:
Sinne Fianna Fáil
A tá fé gheall ag Éirinn,
buion dár slua
Thar toinn do ráinig chugainn,
Fé mhóid bheith saor.
Sean tír ár sinsir feasta
Ní fhagfar fé'n tiorán ná fé'n tráil
Anocht a théam sa bhearna bhaoil,
Le gean ar Ghaeil chun báis nó saoil
Le guna screach fé lámhach na bpiléar
Seo libh canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.

SoFarSoGood282 · 28-06-2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AngelChair

She did make a face regarding it, but i just think she felt awkward because she didnt know the words!

Otherwise she might have been singing:
Sinne Fianna Fáil
A tá fé gheall ag Éirinn,
buion dár slua
Thar toinn do ráinig chugainn,
Fé mhóid bheith saor.
Sean tír ár sinsir feasta
Ní fhagfar fé'n tiorán ná fé'n tráil
Anocht a théam sa bhearna bhaoil,
Le gean ar Ghaeil chun báis nó saoil
Le guna screach fé lámhach na bpiléar
Seo libh canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.

She should have start singing that.....that would really piss some people off!!

Peter Plunker · 28-06-2010, 10:02 AM

Dave's jersey was the Welsh one, not the english one with a Welsh badge stuck on. Made by Champion not Umbro.

PS Dave loves hiss footy and is a Cardiff City season ticket holder.

karezza · 28-06-2010, 10:35 AM

I think Big Brother want her out - she is a poisonous influence on Scabby.

Iceman · 28-06-2010, 11:35 AM

She wore an Irish shirt because she's Irish.
She didn't sing the National Anthem because she's Irish.
She had the option to wear the English shirt but she didn't because she's Irish.

I dont see what the debate is about???

Claymores · 28-06-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceman

She wore an Irish shirt because she's Irish.
She didn't sing the National Anthem because she's Irish.
She had the option to wear the English shirt but she didn't because she's Irish.

I dont see what the debate is about???

A bit simple to understand wasn't it!!!!!!

KKBL · 28-06-2010, 11:39 AM

She didn't know the bloody words for **** sake. No need to make a big deal out of nothing.

Big Brother Fan · 28-06-2010, 12:22 PM

Why would she even know the anthem????

AngelChair · 28-06-2010, 12:40 PM

The Fields of Athenry is not a rebel song, its an Irish folk ballad!

Jeez if you heard the rebel songs you'd know it!!

Livia · 28-06-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AngelChair

The Fields of Athenry is not a rebel song, its an Irish folk ballad!

Jeez if you heard the rebel songs you'd know it!!

So, Fields of Athenry doesn't have any connection with republicans? Really?

Okaaaaay...

AngelChair · 28-06-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

So, Fields of Athenry doesn't have any connection with republicans? Really?

Okaaaaay...

What point are you trying to make? That people who have love for their homeland country and its accurate history are just trying to be awkward, thats ridiculous..... you are coming off as a very unintelligent person.

Livia · 28-06-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AngelChair

What point are you trying to make? That people who have love for their homeland country and its accurate history are just trying to be awkward, thats ridiculous..... you are coming off as a very unintelligent person.

AngelChair, I like you. We should probably stop debating this. For clarity I'll just say this then drop off this thread: That song, or a version of it, has connotations with British people who suffered thought the Troubles. I have no problem at all with Irish people and if they want to sing that song at home all day long then that's just fine with me. I just thought it was a little naive and unthinking of her to sing it there, with Steve being around.

Claymores · 28-06-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

AngelChair, I like you. We should probably stop debating this. For clarity I'll just say this then drop off this thread: That song, or a version of it, has connotations with British people who suffered thought the Troubles. I have no problem at all with Irish people and if they want to sing that song at home all day long then that's just fine with me. I just thought it was a little naive and unthinking of her to sing it there, with Steve being around.

You should deffo drop off - Fields is a freedom song . It's not Steve's fault he was sent to a wrong war any more than the coffins coming back from Afghanistan

Claymores · 28-06-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AngelChair

What point are you trying to make? That people who have love for their homeland country and its accurate history are just trying to be awkward, thats ridiculous..... you are coming off as a very unintelligent person.

Good post

SoFarSoGood282 · 28-06-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

So, Fields of Athenry doesn't have any connection with republicans? Really?

Okaaaaay...

The song is a Irish folk song, there is a republican chorus that some people sing but that doesn't make the original song a rebel song. It would be a rebel song if she sang the other chorus!