[Bigbrofan25]

This is a very interesting topic actually for once

[Jamietwo]

religions are full of hate inducing rubbish, but they were invented before political correctness and post 9/11 speech control.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Hero1

I never said anything about racism or he was homophobic, I just think he is a sneak that hides behind religion, I find him strange and odd.

You cannot compare black people to gays, witches or demons.

You cannot compare gays to Witches or demons...etc either.

It is obvious that he sees these groups as the same, and the way he partonisingly deals with it is with Jesus' love, it is almost as if he looks at blacks as a sin, hates the sins, but loves the sinner.

IMO do not compare anyone to witches, demons and warlocks, it is out of order and warped.

Originally Posted by Hero1
I found it odd when he nominated Covan he claimed he loves all people, including blacks, gays, witches and demons and such...STRANGE

He used this terminology again, when he was trying to claim he was not homophobic in the bedroom also.

I have noticed Dave has nominated every black person in the house, the man is a low belled snake.

He even lied and claimed Rachael flashed her private parts to him.

I have nothing wrong with Religion, but I find everything wrong when someone is hiding behind religion and is really a total sneak.

You implied racism when you said he had nominated every black person in the house! Similar for you comments about him claiming he was not homophobic!

I don't find him in the least bit sneaky - quite the opposite - he seems very open about most things, including his religion!

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Originally Posted by Hero1
I found it odd when he nominated Covan he claimed he loves all people, including blacks, gays, witches and demons and such...STRANGE

He used this terminology again, when he was trying to claim he was not homophobic in the bedroom also.

I have noticed Dave has nominated every black person in the house, the man is a low belled snake.

He even lied and claimed Rachael flashed her private parts to him.

I have nothing wrong with Religion, but I find everything wrong when someone is hiding behind religion and is really a total sneak.

You implied racism when you said he had nominated every black person in the house! Similar for you comments about him claiming he was not homophobic!

I don't find him in the least bit sneaky - quite the opposite - he seems very open about most things, including his religion!

I personally think he has rarely comes across black people in his life, and when he does, I think he needs to show them Jesus' love, as he says so himself.

he said it himself when he nominated Covan, he has no problem with blacks, gays, witches, demons or warlocks....stand up for the creep all you like, I just think he is a strange, sneaky, creep who is not all there.

I am looking forward to his next set of nominations, obviously Camiomhe would be there, but his next set would be interesting.

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

Good question. Expressing, yes, and we should defend that, but he sees Rachel as someone close to biting his godrod. Rachel is great bait for brainwashers. Theres always an element of force.

Rachel is just making sire she gets round everyone so that she is not nominated next week

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Originally Posted by Hero1
I found it odd when he nominated Covan he claimed he loves all people, including blacks, gays, witches and demons and such...STRANGE

He used this terminology again, when he was trying to claim he was not homophobic in the bedroom also.

I have noticed Dave has nominated every black person in the house, the man is a low belled snake.

He even lied and claimed Rachael flashed her private parts to him.

I have nothing wrong with Religion, but I find everything wrong when someone is hiding behind religion and is really a total sneak.

You implied racism when you said he had nominated every black person in the house! Similar for you comments about him claiming he was not homophobic!

I don't find him in the least bit sneaky - quite the opposite - he seems very open about most things, including his religion!

And you could say that Govan and Ife nomiated only white.

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not a Dave fan really, I don't agree with his regigious beliefs. However, the belief that seems to override everything else for him is that he thinks God wants him to love everyone. Strange that would incite so much hate.

Well part of it is down to the fact he mentioned homosexuals. This of course is why he was placed in a house with Corin, Shabby, Mario, Govan and others who have declared a passing dabble.

Ife is the one who kept stirring because she knew Dave would be disliked for his views on homosexuality. I had one post pulled because I explained that the law said same sex could have a civil partnership to bring equality to people. This is not described as a marriage. And the question should not be raised about whether it can take place in a church or not.
Can you play tennis on a golf course. No.
Trying to see if I can state the law with out getting wiped.

Dave goes over the top and he does talk a lot of rubbish.
By far the worst was pleading with Steve's stumps to grow. Steve just turned his back and walked away but the younger housemates would have pounced on him if they had heard that. Ridiculous man.
Most of what he says has nothing to do with religion.

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by Bigbrofan25

No not all language is free speech I`m afraid some hate speech can be considered illegal but it depends on how it was said and the motive behind it and what was said

Its about interpretation, the law is about interpretation. If i say in a shouting manner that i hate such n such, but afterwards saying i don't mean it in a nasty way, it will be defined as incitement.

The law makers decide the definition of it, thus, they can arrest who they like, they can effectively ban speech they don't feel benefits them.

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by LadyNay

Religious hatred would be active, if he actually condems other religions. But he's not ... all religions believe their religion is the be all and end all - that they are superior in beliefs.

But to say his belief is the be all end all, means mine isn't, so he is attacking my belief system. I don't mind him saying that, but we have rules that mean what he said is incitement to religious hated.

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by Bigbrofan25

It is only fair these laws had to be created because there was so much widespread racism and homophobia within society and there still is believe me

Define racism and homophobia. And why didn't you refer to hetrophobia aswell?

[cazzy555]

I don't really have a problem with Dave but I do think he's just replaced his old addiction of drink and drugs with a new addiction of god, and like most people with an addiction he tends to hang around with people with similar addictions and when he meets people that don't think the same then he tries to justify by saying how great it is.

he needs his god like a junky needs a fix so when someone tries to make him explain it or questions it he gets angry and refuses to discuss it.

just my thoughts anyway.

[LadyNay]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

But to say his belief is the be all end all, means mine isn't, so he is attacking my belief system. I don't mind him saying that, but we have rules that mean what he said is incitement to religious hated.

So in that case all religious people incite religious hatred ... and if that's the case what's the point in singling out this particular case. Caoimhe says religious is bull****. Is she inciting hatred? Again ... it's free speech. Until he actually advocates hateful acts against other type of people or says specifically negative things about other religions or beliefs .. he's not insciting hatred.
He's saying that in his opinion, his religion is the best. FREE SPEECH

[Livia]

Originally Posted by boomoo

Well part of it is down to the fact he mentioned homosexuals. This of course is why he was placed in a house with Corin, Shabby, Mario, Govan and others who have declared a passing dabble.

Ife is the one who kept stirring because she knew Dave would be disliked for his views on homosexuality. I had one post pulled because I explained that the law said same sex could have a civil partnership to bring equality to people. This is not described as a marriage. And the question should not be raised about whether it can take place in a church or not.
Can you play tennis on a golf course. No.
Trying to see if I can state the law with out getting wiped.

Dave goes over the top and he does talk a lot of rubbish.
By far the worst was pleading with Steve's stumps to grow. Steve just turned his back and walked away but the younger housemates would have pounced on him if they had heard that. Ridiculous man.
Most of what he says has nothing to do with religion.

Dave stated his position on gays because he was asked, ad nausium. Some people are like a dog with a bone and just want to drag him into an argument. He is a religious man obviously, and some people are going to disagree with him. I don't actually agree with him myself, and the "healing" thing was squirmingly embarrassing, but asking the question "is he breaking the law" is stretching things a bit far considering the low-lifes who are wandering around free in the country.

Good point on the gay marriage thing though. People show their stupidity by continuing to ask the question.

[Jords]

[camertone]

dave is evil, he is satanist.