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tate · 04-11-2010, 04:02 PM

As far as the press go, there are some folk who invite the attention - katie seems like one of these people.

The problem is, when you invite attention you put yourself at risk of negativity which is exactly what has happened to Katie.

She is so so desperate for fame that some people, journalists included, take an instant dislike to that trait

With regard to her talent, I like the quirkyness but quite frankly the over the top drama that surrounds her and her mediocre voice is a turn off for me

I, in all honesty, cannot be completely convinced that the panic attacks are not just a rouse for sympathy, votes and yet more attention

Niamh. · 04-11-2010, 04:02 PM

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But the show is looking for a mainstream artist...

so? That's not why I watch it and if that's what they're looking for then it'll be Cher not katie

Mystic Mock · 04-11-2010, 04:04 PM

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so? That's not why I watch it and if that's what they're looking for then it'll be Cher not katie

they will go for down the pop route again and get stupid direction to win.

Jack_ · 04-11-2010, 04:13 PM

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so? That's not why I watch it and if that's what they're looking for then it'll be Cher not katie

The point is that they're looking for a mainstream artist and Katie would be one of them, amongst others [whether they would be successful or not is irrelevant, they would still suit a mainstream market], and so thus wanting potential mainstream artists out of the competition pretty much goes against the entire point of the show...

In other words what you're saying is that you just watch the show for the 'talent', but then once the winner/other acts go into the mainstream music market you won't follow their progress because you don't care about mainstream artists? So I take it that applies to Matt as well?

The only potential mainstream artists this year are Cher, One Direction, Matt, Katie, Rebecca and possibly Aiden.

Beastie · 04-11-2010, 04:16 PM

ALL of them want to be in the final 8 at least. If not then they will lose out on a large pay packet to go on the X Factor tour.

Niamh. · 04-11-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

The point is that they're looking for a mainstream artist and Katie would be one of them, amongst others [whether they would be successful or not is irrelevant, they would still suit a mainstream market], and so thus wanting potential mainstream artists out of the competition pretty much goes against the entire point of the show...

Yes but what you're missing is that most people find Katie extremely annoying so why do you thin k that she would be a successful artist???

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In other words what you're saying is that you just watch the show for the 'talent', but then once the winner/other acts go into the mainstream music market you won't follow their progress because you don't care about mainstream artists? So I take it that applies to Matt as well?

The only potential mainstream artists this year are Cher, One Direction, Matt, Katie, Rebecca and possibly Aiden.

I wouldn't say I would follow the winners progress as such no, I haven't really liked any of the winners so far. I have heard Ollys new song though which I do like and as for Matt depends on what kind of music he realises after

Jack_ · 04-11-2010, 04:22 PM

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Yes but what you're missing is that most people find Katie extremely annoying so why do you thin k that she would be a successful artist???

They find her 'extremely annoying' because of the crap they've lapped up in the tabloids. As I said, no one is giving her a fair chance...

And I never said 'successful', infact I specifically said whether they'd be succesful or not is irrelevant, they are still the only potential mainstream artists. Hypothetical success/failure doesn't come into it - they're the only potential mainstream artists and that's that.

tate · 04-11-2010, 04:22 PM

on a lighter note, this spoof twitter page for Katie is really funny!

http://twitter.com/katieweasel

Mystic Mock · 04-11-2010, 04:24 PM

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on a lighter note, this spoof twitter page for Katie is really funny!

http://twitter.com/katieweasel

like there piss take surname.

tate · 04-11-2010, 04:27 PM

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like there piss take surname.

Indeed!! Some of the tweets are really funny too, like

"The Fireworks are frightening the little ones. Niall is hiding under his bed and we are trying to coax him out with a kitkat"

"All this conflict in the house as you would expect. At least 10 strong personalities here and 8 of those are probably mine"

"Cher says that One Direction are a 'pain in the arse'. Even at her age, surely she must've worked out that she was doing it wrong"

Niamh. · 04-11-2010, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

They find her 'extremely annoying' because of the crap they've lapped up in the tabloids. As I said, no one is giving her a fair chance...

or because they see her every week on the show........

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And I never said 'successful', infact I specifically said whether they'd be succesful or not is irrelevant, they are still the only potential mainstream artists. Hypothetical success/failure doesn't come into it - they're the only potential mainstream artists and that's that.

so could anyone really.......

Mystic Mock · 04-11-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tate

Indeed!! Some of the tweets are really funny too, like

"The Fireworks are frightening the little ones. Niall is hiding under his bed and we are trying to coax him out with a kitkat"

"All this conflict in the house as you would expect. At least 10 strong personalities here and 8 of those are probably mine"

"Cher says that One Direction are a 'pain in the arse'. Even at her age, surely she must've worked out that she was doing it wrong"

i like them.

Vicky. · 04-11-2010, 04:32 PM

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They find her 'extremely annoying' because of the crap they've lapped up in the tabloids. As I said, no one is giving her a fair chance...

I think its very ignorant to assume the only reason people find her annoying is because they lap up everything that is said in rags. Some people make their own opinion on what they SEE. And she comes across as a bit of a spoilt bitch to be honest :/

That said, I can give or take her. Her voice is OK but nothing special really. And the song choices for her have been terrible. I think cheryl is focusing on cher more for some odd reason...and just throwing anything at the other girls.

Jack_ · 04-11-2010, 04:33 PM

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or because they see her every week on the show........

Yes - and each week they don't judge her performance, they just stick with their preconceived idea of 'her' using the crap they've lapped up in the tabloids.

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so could anyone really.......

'So could anyone' what? Anyone could be a mainstream artist?

Vicky. · 04-11-2010, 04:35 PM

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Yes - and each week they don't judge her performance, they just stick with their preconceived idea of 'her' using the crap they've lapped up in the tabloids.

Says who? Just because YOU like her doesn't mean everyone else has to. People can dislike her for other reasons than because they read a nasty story in the papers you know...

Novo · 04-11-2010, 04:35 PM

I think the only terrible song choice she has had is We are the champions in the first week, She has sung a few Etta james songs though.. great songs but probably over half the audience that watch X factor have never heard them before... wouldn't even be suprised if most of them don't even know who she is to be honest.

Beastie · 04-11-2010, 04:37 PM

I didn't like Katie and Cher when they went to Cheryl's house. Because neither of them could sing a full song.

Since the Live Shows I think they have both been so different and fantastic!!

They are not the most likeable people but they are two people I would LOVE to see on The X Factor tour.

Sadly though.. don't think Katie will be make it to the top 8

Vicky. · 04-11-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Novo

I think the only terrible song choice she has had is We are the champions in the first week, She has sung a few Etta james songs though.. great songs but probably over half the audience that watch X factor have never heard them before... wouldn't even be suprised if most of them don't even know who she is to be honest.

The jungle book was terrible. Lovely performance, looked stunning, but to be honest that song wouldnt show anyones vocals off. This week was quite bad too.

Her surivival songs are great though, which makes me think she should be picking her own songs, it seems a bit like cheryl is knacking her up

Jack_ · 04-11-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think its very ignorant to assume the only reason people find her annoying is because they lap up everything that is said in rags. Some people make their own opinion on what they SEE. And she comes across as a bit of a spoilt bitch to be honest :/

That said, I can give or take her. Her voice is OK but nothing special really. And the song choices for her have been terrible. I think cheryl is focusing on cher more for some odd reason...and just throwing anything at the other girls.

I never said everyone - of course there'll be people that don't like her performances, and they're entitled to that opinion. But I would say a large majority have been influenced by the negative stories in the press. Stories that she's a 'slag' will put quite a lot of women off, a lot of girls I know has simply referred to her as a 'slag', the stories of her being up herself will also put some people off etc. It definitely has an effect. The press effects a lot of things. The more something is written about someone for example[whether negative or not], the more people discuss it and become aware of it. That's why people buy these tabloids/magazines - because they want to read the stories and 'believe' them. No one's going to buy something they know is lies are they? So they must believe them. I genuinely think it has an effect. Another example would be 'Sachsgate' with Ross and Brand - many people were complaining when they hadn't even listened to the audio, as a result of it being all over the press.

And I agree that the song choices have been terrible, hence why I hope [and somehow believe] there's some truth behind the claims that she's refused the choice this week. I'm glad she's done that, because like you said, her sing-off performances have been miles ahead of all the other performances she's done...