[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by James

Well, from what I watched he wasn't asking people for money in that.

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Youtube video

What part of James' post confused you? I cant see where he is asking for money, he's even got a sign saying "free blessings".

Don't see any conning there, just a lot of glory

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Youtube video

What part of James' post confused you? I cant see where he is asking for money, he's even got a sign saying "free blessings".

Don't see any conning there, just a lot of glory

This is not the right video clip ... ?

Not the incriminating one which has revolted everyone so much ...

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Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

This is not the right video clip ... ?

Not the incriminating one which has revolted everyone so much ...

This was the video that patsylimerick was talking about, the one where he supposedly "rolled up and down a High Street looking for money" before laughing about buying more chairs on eBay. You can see that he is not charging people money here, he is actually giving "free blessings". So what confused you when James said he didnt see Dave ask anybody for money in that video of him in the wheelchair?

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by MTVN

This was the video that patsylimerick was talking about, the one where he supposedly "rolled up and down a High Street looking for money" before laughing about buying more chairs on eBay. You can see that he is not charging people money here, he is actually giving "free blessings". So what confused you when James said he didnt see Dave ask anybody for money in that video of him in the wheelchair?

Right, firstly, several startling Dave videos were removed from Youtube never to be seen again once they'd been unearthed. Secondly, how do YOU think he finances trips to the US several times a year and luxury cruises, given that he's a self-confessed layabout who hasn't worked in years? Thirdly, how about charging, is it Ł30, a ticket for Gloryfest and actively advertising that sam pepper (average fan age 10-14) and JJ are going to be there to take pocket money out of the piggy banks of naiive teenagers? And fourthly, you see NOTHING wrong with pretending to need a wheelchair and p***ing yourself laughing about conning people afterwards - if he never took a penny off of them?
I really hope the world always stay so fine for you. As In One so succintly and correctly put it, he's a nasty fake.

edit: Just for the record - why do you think the New Ecstatics include a Paypal link prominently on their pages? Are they hoping people will send them virtual hugs?

[patsylimerick]

Those defending Dave on here, please view this:

http:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pHTNZn938g

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OcPr...eature=related

I'm hoping to be back later with more. There are plenty..........

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Those defending Dave on here, please view this:

http:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pHTNZn938g

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OcPr...eature=related

I'm hoping to be back later with more. There are plenty..........

You know Pats ... you need to have some sort of a moral compass to appreciate the utter squalor and wrongness of this sort of chicanery ...

I am just no longer sure that everyone has that sort of inner equipment ...

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Right, firstly, several startling Dave videos were removed from Youtube never to be seen again once they'd been unearthed. Secondly, how do YOU think he finances trips to the US several times a year and luxury cruises, given that he's a self-confessed layabout who hasn't worked in years? Thirdly, how about charging, is it Ł30, a ticket for Gloryfest and actively advertising that sam pepper (average fan age 10-14) and JJ are going to be there to take pocket money out of the piggy banks of naiive teenagers? And fourthly, you see NOTHING wrong with pretending to need a wheelchair and p***ing yourself laughing about conning people afterwards - if he never took a penny off of them?
I really hope the world always stay so fine for you. As In One so succintly and correctly put it, he's a nasty fake.

edit: Just for the record - why do you think the New Ecstatics include a Paypal link prominently on their pages? Are they hoping people will send them virtual hugs?

I know nothing of his trips to the US and his cruises and I dont much care, I have no knowledge of Dave and his finances and I'm not going to leap to stupid, and baseless, judgements.

What's wrong with charging entry? It costs money, believe it or not, to put on events like that, you can hardly criticise him for putting a price on tickets.

So do you admit that you were wrong about him asking for money when in the wheelchair? He didnt, and if he wants to go rolling around in a wheelchair then be my guest, you can go give it a try too if you want I dont mind.

Pretty simple why he has a paypal link on hsi pages, it's for people to donate to his Church. All Church's seek funding don't they? Nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

You know Pats ... you need to have some sort of a moral compass to appreciate the utter squalor and wrongness of this sort of chicanery ...

I am just no longer sure that everyone has that sort of inner equipment ...

Oh come on, let's cut the moralistic high horse crap. If you're such a beacon of morality there are better things to devote your efforts to then trying to discredit a strange Minister.

Everyone is not born with a moral compass that's rubbish, and you do not have the deciding say on what is moral and what isnt; it's all subjective, and I'm not going to hold a consuming hatred for someone who I thought was a good house mate, just because of a couple of youtube videos where he rolls around in a wheelchair.

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by Vodka Drinka

Yes really according to his Twitter. I'm disgusted , not that I ever had anytime for him anyway (as you all know). I can't believe any of the housemates are condoning this. Dave is a charlatan and his religion is more like a "cult" that prays on the young and the vulnerable. But Mario said when he left the house he didn't want anything to do with Dave, so why the sudden change of heart? I can't imagine he'd be very welcome there being openly gay(we all know Dave's views on gay people). I'm surprised he suddenly wants to be so pally with him, but maybe there's a photo opportunity involved or something?

Sam Pepper had an argument on Twitter with someone about this the other day, defending Dave to the hilt, saying what a "nice man he is" and how we "dont really know him". Sure it's not his daughter clouding your judgment there Sam? Steve has gone up in my estimation for saying he won't go because he doesn't believe in that kind of thing, and Shabby is a legend for challenging Dave directly on Twitter asking him where the money from the Gloryfest will be going?

The three of them Mario, John James and Sam Pepper should hang their heads in shame. John James and Pepper especially for appearing in a Youtube video promoting it!

Did you get it wrong again pet?
Mario isn't going Sam, John James, Sunshine and andrew are and i noticed you tweeted dave to ask if ben was going lol, I imagine if he was you would think it's the greatest gig on earth, infact you would be starting a thead on how wondefully forgiving ben is, how the glory shines out of his arse and you would be planning a trip to the fest yourself

[pices]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I know nothing of his trips to the US and his cruises and I dont much care, I have no knowledge of Dave and his finances and I'm not going to leap to stupid, and baseless, judgements.

What's wrong with charging entry? It costs money, believe it or not, to put on events like that, you can hardly criticise him for putting a price on tickets.

So do you admit that you were wrong about him asking for money when in the wheelchair? He didnt, and if he wants to go rolling around in a wheelchair then be my guest, you can go give it a try too if you want I dont mind.

Pretty simple why he has a paypal link on hsi pages, it's for people to donate to his Church. All Church's seek funding don't they? Nothing wrong with that.

Dave has Churches??
he is not an ordained bonafide minister, the money goes to fund his lifestyle, pay his bills put food in his familys mouth, go on holidays all around the world conning vunerable ill people out of their money, he does not work so how do you think he funds his life, as for not asking for money in that vid..............of course he was, he was touting for customers to attend his sloshfest, they dont get in free, he charges on entry, promising miracles and spouting crap is his forte.He does not even read the bible that he had BB give him everyday in the house, I watched a clip of Ben discussing how dave gets given the bible each day but never ever reads it.
I dont understand why you are even trying to defend this con man when you yourself say that you know nothing of his world trips or finances, people on here who are discussing this charlatan are not talking about baseless suspicion but hard facts............facts that Dave himself has stated and all the vids which are out there for all interested parties to see.
If you dont want to know about his seedy life thats fine, but if you are going to defend the indefensible then you at least ought to arm yourself with hard facts.
I also do know that the forum member you are slating does indeed devote a lot of their efforts and time into very worthwhile causes and injustices that happen in our world, very important issues, and dave is just one of the injustices we have to live with.BB should hang their head in shame that they ever believed it was OK to foist this nasty, conning, fake cult leader upon us in prime time TV, let alone protect the slimy poor excuse for a human being.
As for him being a good housemate.........he was awful, boring, fake, sexist, homophobic and a slime ball, I was appalled at his inclusion.

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Originally Posted by pices

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Dave has Churches??
he is not an ordained bonafide minister, the money goes to fund his lifestyle, pay his bills put food in his familys mouth, go on holidays all around the world conning vunerable ill people out of their money, he does not work so how do you think he funds his life, as for not asking for money in that vid..............of course he was, he was touting for customers to attend his sloshfest, they dont get in free, he charges on entry, promising miracles and spouting crap is his forte.He does not even read the bible that he had BB give him everyday in the house, I watched a clip of Ben discussing how dave gets given the bible each day but never ever reads it.
I dont understand why you are even trying to defend this con man when you yourself say that you know nothing of his world trips or finances, people on here who are discussing this charlatan are not talking about baseless suspicion but hard facts............facts that Dave himself has stated and all the vids which are out there for all interested parties to see.
If you dont want to know about his seedy life thats fine, but if you are going to defend the indefensible then you at least ought to arm yourself with hard facts.
I also do know that the forum member you are slating does indeed devote a lot of their efforts and time into very worthwhile causes and injustices that happen in our world, very important issues, and dave is just one of the injustices we have to live with.BB should hang their head in shame that they ever believed it was OK to foist this nasty, conning, fake cult leader upon us in prime time TV, let alone protect the slimy poor excuse for a human being.
As for him being a good housemate.........he was awful, boring, fake, sexist, homophobic and a slime ball, I was appalled at his inclusion.

He is a Minister and is head of his Church yes, dont see why that confuses you. Do you think Ministers should not be paid at all? He's a prominent figure among his branch of Christianity, the Sloshfest is a popular event.

So now it's a crime to advertise an event?

You, or someone else, has already stated that he's done nothing illegal so it is none of your business what he does, and he has every entitlement to do what the hell he wants without a few Ben-obssessives dicatating how you should live your life. We all have free will, if people want to pay to attend Dave's sloshfest then go ahead, and if people want to donate to his Church then they can go ahead. Just live and let live without trying to impose your value of what is right and wrong on everyone else; people can decide that for themselves.

[pices]

Originally Posted by MTVN

He is a Minister and is head of his Church yes, dont see why that confuses you. Do you think Ministers should not be paid at all? He's a prominent figure among his branch of Christianity, the Sloshfest is a popular event.

So now it's a crime to advertise an event?

You, or someone else, has already stated that he's done nothing illegal so it is none of your business what he does, and he has every entitlement to do what the hell he wants without a few Ben-obssessives dicatating how you should live your life. We all have free will, if people want to pay to attend Dave's sloshfest then go ahead, and if people want to donate to his Church then they can go ahead. Just live and let live without trying to impose your value of what is right and wrong on everyone else; people can decide that for themselves.

Dave does not have a church and is not an ordained minister, he wears a fancy dress costume and spouts crap, he is not ordained, there is no church, and what the hell does it have to do with being a ben supporter, I am not obsessed with anyone and would ask you to refrain from personal insults, Its everyones business what Dave does as he is the one who puts all the info out there, I dont give a toss that he is staying within the bounds of legality, its still wrong and what he does is repulsive, you seem to like it and dont care what he does, thats fine....your perogative, just dont keep telling others not to be appalled at what he does, he sickens me, he is a lowlife imo, i am entitled to that opinion and also to shout it from the rooftops if i wish.

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Originally Posted by pices

Dave does not have a church and is not an ordained minister, he wears a fancy dress costume and spouts crap, he is not ordained, there is no church, and what the hell does it have to do with being a ben supporter, I am not obsessed with anyone and would ask you to refrain from personal insults, Its everyones business what Dave does as he is the one who puts all the info out there, I dont give a toss that he is staying within the bounds of legality, its still wrong and what he does is repulsive, you seem to like it and dont care what he does, thats fine....your perogative, just dont keep telling others not to be appalled at what he does, he sickens me, he is a lowlife imo, i am entitled to that opinion and also to shout it from the rooftops if i wish.

I brought up the Ben supporter thing because you all seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding Ben's relationship with Dave. You seem to judge other characters by their relationship with Ben, which I suppose soured when Dave was alleged to have slagged him off behind his back, and I presume they are no longer in touch.

It is not a case of me telling you not to be appalled, not at all. On the contrary, my issue is that you are acting as though I am obliged to hate Dave because you dissaprove of his actions on the outside world. If you hate him and he repulses you that's fine, but dont demean other people who did happen to like him when he was in the house.

[Jords]

Dont we all.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I brought up the Ben supporter thing because you all seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding Ben's relationship with Dave. You seem to judge other characters by their relationship with Ben, which I suppose soured when Dave was alleged to have slagged him off behind his back, and I presume they are no longer in touch.

It is not a case of me telling you not to be appalled, not at all. On the contrary, my issue is that you are acting as though I am obliged to hate Dave because you dissaprove of his actions on the outside world. If you hate him and he repulses you that's fine, but dont demean other people who did happen to like him when he was in the house.

Not at all true ... while watching during the summer Ben thought Dave was fine but much as I liked and respected Ben I knew all the way through that I profoundly disagreed with his assessment of Dave ...

Liking Ben is one thing ... but sharing his judgement of character ... well it really is not one of his strong points ... is it ... ?

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I know nothing of his trips to the US and his cruises and I dont much care, I have no knowledge of Dave and his finances and I'm not going to leap to stupid, and baseless, judgements.What's wrong with charging entry? It costs money, believe it or not, to put on events like that, you can hardly criticise him for putting a price on tickets.

So do you admit that you were wrong about him asking for money when in the wheelchair? He didnt, and if he wants to go rolling around in a wheelchair then be my guest, you can go give it a try too if you want I dont mind.

Pretty simple why he has a paypal link on hsi pages, it's for people to donate to his Church. All Church's seek funding don't they? Nothing wrong with that.

BIB 1 & 2 completely contradict each other - can you not see that? I, on the other hand, know quite a lot about them because I made it my business to find out BEFORE I commented on the issue. So how is my judgement stupid and baseless? Did you view the videos? Are you remotely aware of how confoundingly ridiculous your contradictions are?
BIB 3. Yes he did. But the video in question was removed from Youtube, I assume by his organisation, once it was highlighted.
BIB 4. What Church? This is a cult.

[pices]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I brought up the Ben supporter thing because you all seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding Ben's relationship with Dave. You seem to judge other characters by their relationship with Ben, which I suppose soured when Dave was alleged to have slagged him off behind his back, and I presume they are no longer in touch.

It is not a case of me telling you not to be appalled, not at all. On the contrary, my issue is that you are acting as though I am obliged to hate Dave because you dissaprove of his actions on the outside world. If you hate him and he repulses you that's fine, but dont demean other people who did happen to like him when he was in the house.

I dont give a monkeys uncle what you think about Dave, its your business, but I have not slated you for that opinion at all, I asked why you defend him when you admit yourself not to having any of the info that the people on here do have, its that info which is all fact that people are commrnting on, you came into this thread not knowing or caring to know about any of it and slate other posters for the discussion they are having based on facts, I dont base my opinion of others based on their relationship with Ben at all, but in life as a whole I guess its natural to judge people on how you see their interaction with other people, in this case its all the housemates because I witnessed the nasty freak for 12 weeks and his behaviour first towards Rachel 1, Then keeva and all the others, I dont hate anyone, but yes as a human being he repulses me, but he repulses me because of who and what he is, not anything to do with Ben

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Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

Not at all true ... while watching during the summer Ben thought Dave was fine but much as I liked and respected Ben I knew all the way through that I profoundly disagreed with his assessment of Dave ...

Liking Ben is one thing ... but sharing his judgement of character ... well it really is not one of his strong points ... is it ... ?

Fair enough, I take that back then

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

BIB 1 & 2 completely contradict each other - can you not see that? I, on the other hand, know quite a lot about them because I made it my business to find out BEFORE I commented on the issue. So how is my judgement stupid and baseless? Did you view the videos? Are you remotely aware of how confoundingly ridiculous your contradictions are?
BIB 3. Yes he did. But the video in question was removed from Youtube, I assume by his organisation, once it was highlighted.
BIB 4. What Church? This is a cult.

They dont contradict, I dont know about his trips to the US, well not the financial aspects of them, so how am I expected to make a judgement regarding them. I dont think you know his financial situation either to be honest.

I find it unlikely that while going around offering "free blessings" he was charging for those "blessings".

Yes ok, consider it a cult if you wish

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by MTVN

He is a Minister and is head of his Church yes, dont see why that confuses you. Do you think Ministers should not be paid at all? He's a prominent figure among his branch of Christianity, the Sloshfest is a popular event.

So now it's a crime to advertise an event?

You, or someone else, has already stated that he's done nothing illegal so it is none of your business what he does, and he has every entitlement to do what the hell he wants without a few Ben-obssessives dicatating how you should live your life. We all have free will, if people want to pay to attend Dave's sloshfest then go ahead, and if people want to donate to his Church then they can go ahead. Just live and let live without trying to impose your value of what is right and wrong on everyone else; people can decide that for themselves.

BIB 1. Who are you talking about now?
BIB 2. Which is exactly why we're perfectly entitled to RESEARCH and then comment upon a BB housemates in a - well would you look at that - BB FORUM.
BIB 3. Who was it who handcuffed your wrists to the keyboard? Is anyone forcing you to join in the discussion? It's a discussion board, funnily enough, on which people voice opinions. That's what happens. No-one's imposing anything on anyone.
Only if you want to answer now, but did you watch the last two videos I posted?

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

Not at all true ... while watching during the summer Ben thought Dave was fine but much as I liked and respected Ben I knew all the way through that I profoundly disagreed with his assessment of Dave ...

Liking Ben is one thing ... but sharing his judgement of character ... well it really is not one of his strong points ... is it ... ?

Vodka drinker wouldn't have started this topic if ben had been attending the gloryfest, I think Dave is a charlatan and a conman, it's wrong what he does but his friends wont see dave in the same way that an outsider will do, they will trust him and just think he's whacky but harmless, maybe after the fest they might see things from a different perspective who knows but i think it's wrong to attack Dave's friends for what dave does

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

BIB 1. Who are you talking about now?
BIB 2. Which is exactly why we're perfectly entitled to RESEARCH and then comment upon a BB housemates in a - well would you look at that - BB FORUM.
BIB 3. Who was it who handcuffed your wrists to the keyboard? Is anyone forcing you to join in the discussion? It's a discussion board, funnily enough, on which people voice opinions. That's what happens. No-one's imposing anything on anyone.
Only if you want to answer now, but did you watch the last two videos I posted?

Yes it's a discussion board, we're discussing Dave here, I'm giving my opinion and you're giving yours, what's the problem here?

Anyway, I'm just going to have agree to disagree with you lot or it's just going to go round in circles

[Ultra Violet]

[QUOTE=lauraC;4066632]Vodka drinker wouldn't have started this topic if ben had been attending the gloryfest, I think Dave is a charlatan and a conman, it's wrong what he does but his friends wont see dave in the same way that an outsider will do, they will trust him and just think he's whacky but harmless, maybe after the fest they might see things from a different perspective who knows but i think it's wrong to attack Dave's friends for what dave does[/QUOTE]

But ... err ... that is not what they are doing ...

They are pointing out (attacking?) the way in which the HMs with a large following of impressionable underage girls are encouraging them to attend a fairly 'whacky' (charitable assessment) and possibly dangerous (already acknowledged by fans at the event this morning - it is getting scary ...) event

[pices]

Originally Posted by lauraC

Vodka drinker wouldn't have started this topic if ben had been attending the gloryfest, I think Dave is a charlatan and a conman, it's wrong what he does but his friends wont see dave in the same way that an outsider will do, they will trust him and just think he's whacky but harmless, maybe after the fest they might see things from a different perspective who knows but i think it's wrong to attack Dave's friends for what dave does

Vodka would be appalled if Ben were attending GF, but she started this topic because mario was talking about going, fair do's as far as I can see, I know for a fact that she detests Dave and like me and other Ben supporters is glad that Ben has seen the light re Dave, no way on this earth that Vodka would attend, I am not speaking for her, just that I know what she thinks about Dave, and you should not be attacking or insulting other forum members , stick to the topic which is housemates.

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by pices

Vodka would be appalled if Ben were attending GF, but she started this topic because mario was talking about going, fair do's as far as I can see, I know for a fact that she detests Dave and like me and other Ben supporters is glad that Ben has seen the light re Dave, no way on this earth that Vodka would attend, I am not speaking for her, just that I know what she thinks about Dave, and you should not be attacking or insulting other forum members , stick to the topic which is housemates.

Vodka drinker was tweeting dave asking if ben was going, i'm not attacking i'm stating a fact.