[Shaun]

The difference being that you can block people on Facebook whereas you can't in real life.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shaun

The difference being that you can block people on Facebook whereas you can't in real life.

You can't stop them from posting all sorts of crap wherever takes their fancy on the internet though....

and as for the real life comment: I'd say that these some of these same online bullies - my transfer that into real life.

Are you still of the same opinion then?.... free speech regardless of where it takes place?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

The difference being that you can block people on Facebook whereas you can't in real life.

So it's ok for him to make a youtube video about that dead girl and post it for millions to watch? Some girl he never even knew? That's harassment.

[Marc]

C'mon guys stick to the point. Try not to make personal digs

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Marc.

C'mon guys stick to the point. Try not to make personal digs

TBF: it's a pretty shocking admission for a moderator to state - and continually. It has only become 'personal' because Dezzy has been so very open about his feeling on the matter - that online insults and abuse are acceptable.

it would have no bearing at all if those comments were from a general member, but I'm sure you can see why there is the reaction there is: and in raising 'alarm bells'.

[Livia]

I find it interesting that there are so many people weeping and wailing for this man - and I use the term in the loosest possible sense. Everyone's quacking on about freedom of speech without the slightest notion what it means. He was found guilty, in a court of law. I guess the people who tried him and the person who sentenced him know a little bit more about the law than most people on here.

Also, interesting to see a moderator banging on about freedom of speech on a moderated board.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

I find it interesting that there are so many people weeping and wailing for this man - and I use the term in the loosest possible sense. Everyone's quacking on about freedom of speech without the slightest notion what it means. He was found guilty, in a court of law. I guess the people who tried him and the person who sentenced him know a little bit more about the law than most people on here.

Also, interesting to see a moderator banging on about freedom of speech on a moderated board.

I'm not weeping for him but good job in trying to make out them I'm some sort of sympathiser instead of trying to tackle my points head on.

The internet as a whole is unmoderated and that's how it should stay as it's the one place, whether for good or bad, allows people to truly say what they think. Of course some places have rules but it's your choice to follow them or not, if you get banned from Tibb it won't affect your real life, you could just join another forum with rules you agree with or even create your own et cetera. I adhere to the rules of this forum and enforce them because I like it here and like I mentioned before my views on free speech don't really come into play here since it's just a light hearted website that holds no impact on any of our lives.

I don't believe someone should be jailed for what this man did, as despicable as he is, what he said was just words and I don't think someone should be sent to prison unless they turn their words into criminal actions.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm not weeping for him but good job in trying to make out them I'm some sort of sympathiser instead of trying to tackle my points head on.

The internet as a whole is unmoderated and that's how it should stay as it's the one place, whether for good or bad, allows people to truly say what they think. Of course some places have rules but it's your choice to follow them or not, if you get banned from Tibb it won't affect your real life, you could just join another forum with rules you agree with or even create your own et cetera. I adhere to the rules of this forum and enforce them because I like it here and like I mentioned before my views on free speech don't really come into play here since it's just a light hearted website that holds no impact on any of our lives.

I don't believe someone should be jailed for what this man did, as despicable as he is, what he said was just words and I don't think someone should be sent to prison unless they turn their words into criminal actions.

Thats the problem Dezzy it is a crime thats why he was prosecuted, the court didnt just decide he had upset he few people.

They decided what he had done had broken a law set into stature by Parliament.

He set out on a course to harrass, annoy and offend others. Using the internet as his means of harrassment.

Its against the law of the land.

It could have been dealt with in the past under breach of the peace, however older laws didnt have a capacity to deal with online harrassment.

He caused fear or alarm (offense and harrassment).

Not only in one case but in numerous cases, to numerous people, not once though on a regular basis.


As for being sent to prison for just words.

Go get really drunk, then late one saturday night at chucking out time find a young black copper who is at the end of a long shift. Annoy him and then when he tells you to go home give him a bit of lip, you know as close as you like to being but not quite being racist. After all its just words.

Dont just do it the once though, when you get released do it again, and then again and again.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm not weeping for him but good job in trying to make out them I'm some sort of sympathiser instead of trying to tackle my points head on.

The internet as a whole is unmoderated and that's how it should stay as it's the one place, whether for good or bad, allows people to truly say what they think. Of course some places have rules but it's your choice to follow them or not, if you get banned from Tibb it won't affect your real life, you could just join another forum with rules you agree with or even create your own et cetera. I adhere to the rules of this forum and enforce them because I like it here and like I mentioned before my views on free speech don't really come into play here since it's just a light hearted website that holds no impact on any of our lives.

I don't believe someone should be jailed for what this man did, as despicable as he is, what he said was just words and I don't think someone should be sent to prison unless they turn their words into criminal actions.

Aggressive passive stance by chance?

Does insulting and being abusive to other members count as adhering to the rules Dezzy.....?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Aggressive passive stance by chance?

Does insulting and being abusive to other members count as adhering to the rules Dezzy.....?

I'm not lowering myself to your level Pyramid, instead of trying to rile me up into a confrontation you should report anything you have a problem with and the other mods will look at it.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm not lowering myself to your level Pyramid, instead of trying to rile me up into a confrontation you should report anything you have a problem with and the other mods will look at it.

I didn't see this comment earlier.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Aggressive passive stance by chance?

Does insulting and being abusive to other members count as adhering to the rules Dezzy.....?

Stick to the topic and stop getting personal with Dezzy please Pyramid. Your last few posts seem to be an attack on him rather than debating the topic of the thread.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Stick to the topic and stop getting personal with Dezzy please Pyramid. Your last few posts seem to be an attack on him rather than debating the topic of the thread.

It is very difficult not to correlate the very clear thoughts as put over by Dezzy himself (ie: his opinion) on the subject, and to ignore such passion on his part, given Dezzy's position - it's the conflict in what is being said vs what happens in actual fact - it's the disparity I've been raising / questioning : rather than an attack on Dezzy as a person.

Although I have to say: I'm not the only one who has addressed this same conflict, perhaps the manner in which I've done has been harsher than intended.

I'm happy to accept that if that is the way I personally coming over, it is the disparity I have been questioning and bemused by: not the person as an individual.

[James]

The trouble with the Internet / social media / online communities etc. is there's too many people thinking they can post things without ever having to be held responsible for them. (Incidentally, I think that was a major contributing factor to the recent riots as well).

Banning from Facebook and using ignore facilities isn't very effective because users just get around it by creating new identities. It needs stronger action to show that actions like this have consequences.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by James

The trouble with the Internet / social media / online communities etc. is there's too many people thinking they can post things without ever having to be held responsible for them. (Incidentally, I think that was a major contributing factor to the recent riots as well).

Banning from Facebook and using ignore facilities isn't very effective because users just get around it by creating new identities. It needs stronger action to show that actions like this have consequences.

You got the list of trolls I PM'd you?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Nah he got the maximum sentences for the crime he was on trial for, they wouldnt ask for an increase. They cant really.

Only grounds he could have sentenced increased was if they decided to go for a different charge but again in the scheme of things that would only be done if they found some point of law to give them the opportunity. As much chance of that as I have of having the christmas number one this year.

Ah right.

Here's hoping there may be some pros to the lenient sentence then, when he meets the cons.

Originally Posted by James

The trouble with the Internet / social media / online communities etc. is there's too many people thinking they can post things without ever having to be held responsible for them. (Incidentally, I think that was a major contributing factor to the recent riots as well).

Banning from Facebook and using ignore facilities isn't very effective because users just get around it by creating new identities. It needs stronger action to show that actions like this have consequences.

Agree, and esp regarding the recent riots. (that seems so 'long ago' now. Weird).

Originally Posted by Eoin

You got the list of trolls I PM'd you?

Bloody trouble maker. *jokes!!!!*

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Eoin

You got the list of trolls I PM'd you?

Well I hope you didnt ignore me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by James

The trouble with the Internet / social media / online communities etc. is there's too many people thinking they can post things without ever having to be held responsible for them. (Incidentally, I think that was a major contributing factor to the recent riots as well).

Banning from Facebook and using ignore facilities isn't very effective because users just get around it by creating new identities. It needs stronger action to show that actions like this have consequences.

Exactly James.

[▲¯\_(ツ)_/¯▲]

If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all. ~Noam Chomsky

Believe me, I despise this guy.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ▲¯\_(ツ)_/¯▲

If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all. ~Noam Chomsky

Believe me, I despise this guy.

PMSL, post of the thread.

[Grimnir]

i thought asperger's syndrome was a mental illness

so should he not be sent hospital rather than jail?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

i thought asperger's syndrome was a mental illness

so should he not be sent hospital rather than jail?

Its not a mental Illness, its a condition and covers a wide spectrum from very mild through to quite serious states.

Some psychologists would argue that everyone has Aspergers or Autism to some extent inbuilt within their psyche. So therefore no one should go to prison following your logic.