[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

in my view it's because they don't have to be attracted to him to like him or they aren't bothered by what he says.

Well, that's even more worrying then.The fact he does so even in female company is even worse.

I myself,and all the people I know among all my family and friends too are totally disgusted at his comments as to women.

Not only would all of those not vote for him but they wouldn't listen to him either if he was in their company. Like me they would leave where he was.

He's vile, purely and simply vile.

[alex_front]

Originally Posted by Suze

I have had another look at oddschecker, and think that although Alex is favourite to win for now, that Jay and Aaron are both 2nd depending on different bookies. Novo would probably have to check and see for sure though. Here is the link.

The big problem with Alex is there are strong male contenders Aaron, Jay and even Harry, Mark would have beaten her too. I reckon if it werne't for Harry's poshness and fox-hunting he'd be a favourite. Women only win against weak male opposition Kate (Jonny), Nadia (the Scottish body builder), Rachel (Mikey)and especially Josie (Dave) and Sophie (Siavash who really didn't give a crap) who might as well been in the final alone. Also, Alex can't play the Geordie local card, Jays got that stitched up, too. When a strong (likeable female is up against a decent male contender she inevitably loses Anna (Craig), Helen (Brian), Makosi (Antony and newbie Eugene). In fact the best example were the BB8 twins Samanda who didn't really put a foot wrong (ok they weren't bright but were very very sweet) but they still lost.

[Wildcat!]

The vile ones, as you call them, have never been up for eviction And its not like they are talking behind peoples back either, so they must be doign something right.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by alex_front

The big problem with Alex is there are strong male contenders (Aaron, Jay and even Harry, Mark would have beaten her to). Women only win against weak male opposition (Kate, Nadia, Rachel and especially Josie and Sophie who might as well been in the final alone). Also, Alex can't play the Geordie local card, Jays got that stitched up, too.

Alex is not a geordie. And you honestly call the likes of rex and mikey(who had been fave since the start) weak male opposition?

[Buck]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Jay will be removed by BB before he is evicted.

Gladly, as he has demonstrated, he has absolutely no concept of common decency or appropriate behavior when in the presence of other humans so that will probably be in the next couple of weeks.

He should already be gone for crapping in that freezer tbh.

I agree. The freezer-gate was simply too vile to be broadcasted, and it's shame that BB still covers it. But there will be other stumblings and incidents of Jay which can be shown (like the racist joke), and it's only a matter of time until he will be taken out.

[alex_front]

Originally Posted by Lee.

This is what I think will happen too..

And as for jay even being considered as a finalist?! Wtf? He's just a big dumb lump of vulgarity, with absolutely no charm.I don't even find him entertaining!

You've just listed all the things that women find endearing in men now and what will make jay win!! BY WOMEN!!

Aaron is demonised for crying, condemning sexist banter and being a 'wuss'. BY WOMEN!

[alex_front]

Originally Posted by Lister of Smeg

yup they just don't like to admit how great he is

no, mark is.

If someone makes racist and sexist(I'm black female) comments then I will pick them up on that.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

The vile ones, as you call them, have never been up for eviction And its not like they are talking behind peoples back either, so they must be doign something right.

You don't consider jay's kitchen rant about Aaronto his whole group talking behind his back? We have different definitions I think.

And Aden has been up.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by alex_front

You've just listed all the things that women find endearing in men now and what will make jay win!! BY WOMEN!!

Aaron is demonised for crying, condemning sexist banter and being a 'wuss'. BY WOMEN!

The majority of people who have been put off Aaron by him showing emotion seem to be men tbh.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The majority of people who have been put off Aaron by him showing emotion seem to be men tbh.

I don't agree, Faye and Maisy aren't men

[alex_front]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

BB is the master of surprises, I rarely take notice of odds for the winner,the odds generally are right for evictions but for the winner they get things so very wrong most of the time.

I agree with the comments made that Jay gets good editing,I remain mystified how any women could even be attracted to him after hearing even his edited stories and quotes as to his interactions with females.

Jay gets the best edit out of anyone. whats quite funny is some of his bad bits will be on the website, but mysterious is not in the show.

Judging by Twitter, girls love Jay's sexism. I almost keeled over with fright when abou 20 girls said how sexy Jay was when he relayed that orgy story a few days ago and about 20 girls said they'd 'nosh' Jay (when he was talking about Maisy's refusal to nosh). What was scary was these girls have Twitter photos so can be identified. Feminism died.

[Tom4784]

Great it looks as though w'ell be stuck with the missing link for the rest of the series.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by alex_front

You've just listed all the things that women find endearing in men now and what will make jay win!! BY WOMEN!!

Aaron is demonised for crying, condemning sexist banter and being a 'wuss'. BY WOMEN!

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The majority of people who have been put off Aaron by him showing emotion seem to be men tbh.

Yep, haven't really seen many females on here criticising Aaron for his emotional moments

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I don't agree, Faye and Maisy aren't men

No but they aren't women either.. they're just immature little girls.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If he wasnt thrown out for the second bit in bold, then there is absoloutely no chance of the first bit happening no matter what he does

lol fair point.

I guess I am hoping that the production team take the general online disgust of those in the know (ie the hardcore fan) at their actions concerning that as a clear and fair warning and next time do whats right.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yep, haven't really seen many females on here criticising Aaron for his emotional moments

/shrug... I am male and I like Aaron. Him being emotional dosent bother me in slightest.

[alex_front]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Alex is not a geordie. And you honestly call the likes of rex and mikey(who had been fave since the start) weak male opposition?

To the casual viewer she is. It's the casual viewer who decides who wins i think. Aaron is forum favorite but is disliked to the broader world who just see him as the bloke who bed hops and cries. By weak opposition I mean in terms of really winning. Rex was never going to win against Rachel who never put a foot wrong in terms of being a female (she was never bitchy, never opinionated, not sexy despite beauty, not sexual etc) just a bit dull. Mikey really was the legendary Scots vote which has seen the likes of Jason (BB5), Cameron (BB4) and the McDonald Bros (X Factor), David Sneddon (Fame Academy) scale undeserved heights of popularity they would never have had if they were born in Brighton, Norwich or Leeds

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I don't agree, Faye and Maisy aren't men

And this has what to do with what I actually said?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by vesavius

/shrug... I am male and I like Aaron. Him being emotional dosent bother me in slightest.

No I'm not saying it would, but I think that, in general, it's more likely to be males who find it a bit OTT and off-putting than females although obviously that doesn't apply to everyone

[alex_front]

Originally Posted by Buck

I agree. The freezer-gate was simply too vile to be broadcasted, and it's shame that BB still covers it. But there will be other stumblings and incidents of Jay which can be shown (like the racist joke), and it's only a matter of time until he will be taken out.

As a Rebeckah supporter (your avatar) what do you make of Jay in terms of her. I know he didn't name her to Heaven in choc gate, but her freezer **** claims seem to be being drowned out by production. Which makes Dennis' BB9 ejection for spitting on Mo Mo seem trivial now.

[alex_front]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The majority of people who have been put off Aaron by him showing emotion seem to be men tbh.

Exactly, but crying is hardly a huge crime. Being sexist and casually racist is.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And this has what to do with what I actually said?

I really cba to spell it out for you

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Lee.

No but they aren't women either.. they're just immature little girls.

Of course they are women, that's just silly

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I really cba to spell it out for you

Because you have no point. As usual.

Faye and maisy have been put off him because he shows emotion...I havent seen any proof of that. Maybe you could enlighten me?

Also, what do faye and maisy have to do with me saying the majority of people who have been put off him because of his emotions are blokes? Unless you are going to try and make a point out of the fact that I said 'people' rather then 'viewers', if so, thats just pathetic as Im pretty sure everyone else knew what I meant

[alex_front]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yep, haven't really seen many females on here criticising Aaron for his emotional moments

Go on Twitter / Facebook (which is where i believe the demographics for voting lies) and you'll see so many 'Aaron man up' 'stop being a woman' (whatever being a women means it's obvious not good) 'Aaron's a wimp and needs evicting' are in abundance. Plus Jay's family and friends are orchestrating a surprsingly good Twitter campaign, which started off bigging up Jay, when they ran out of things to say they have started on Aaron who they know is the main opposition (they can't really slag off Alex for local reasons)