[Suze]

Originally Posted by RodHull

Jay has always disliked him. And vice versa. They are about as different as you can get man wise. Aarons all touchy feely new age bloke with feelings and Jay is a total caveman.

Jay only ever tried to be friends with Aaron after it became apparent he was popular. He has taken every opportunity in the whole series to kick Aaron when hes down, and then offer the olive branch (how magnanimous of him!) He knows damn well that when Aaron is moody it makes him look better, hence all the fake concern. Then when hes happy he does his best to wind him up or spread lies about him.

Lets not forget that Waggot is just as fame hungry as any of them, hes not the simple bloke hed like us to believe, most normal blokes from Newcastle wouldnt have got involved with the pathetic playground **** that was the wolfpack with those two total jokes Anton and Aden. He loves being number 1 top dog alpha male, thats why he liked those two idiots cause they idolised him.

Aaron has never danced to his tune and he hates it. Yes at times they are able to get on as the series has progressed, thats I think cause they have both just accepted the others faults and moved on. I dont think Jay is evil, but if he had the chance he would Nom and evict Aaron in a heartbeat. Same for Aaron, except he has never pretended otherwise imo.

Oh and Faye and Tom are not good case studies for opinions on Aaron. Tom takes just about every chance he gets to be spiteful about him and Faye isnt far behind. Thats a poor example coming from you tbh

What a great post, RH

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by RodHull

Jay has always disliked him. And vice versa. They are about as different as you can get man wise. Aarons all touchy feely new age bloke with feelings and Jay is a total caveman.

Jay only ever tried to be friends with Aaron after it became apparent he was popular. He has taken every opportunity in the whole series to kick Aaron when hes down, and then offer the olive branch (how magnanimous of him!) He knows damn well that when Aaron is moody it makes him look better, hence all the fake concern. Then when hes happy he does his best to wind him up or spread lies about him.

Lets not forget that Waggot is just as fame hungry as any of them, hes not the simple bloke hed like us to believe, most normal blokes from Newcastle wouldnt have got involved with the pathetic playground **** that was the wolfpack with those two total jokes Anton and Aden. He loves being number 1 top dog alpha male, thats why he liked those two idiots cause they idolised him.

Aaron has never danced to his tune and he hates it. Yes at times they are able to get on as the series has progressed, thats I think cause they have both just accepted the others faults and moved on. I dont think Jay is evil, but if he had the chance he would Nom and evict Aaron in a heartbeat. Same for Aaron, except he has never pretended otherwise imo.

Oh and Faye and Tom are not good case studies for opinions on Aaron. Tom takes just about every chance he gets to be spiteful about him and Faye isnt far behind. Thats a poor example coming from you tbh

Sure they're complete opposites but I quite like the friendships they formed, they do acknowledge the differences between them and like Jay said to Aaron, he knows he's not everyone's cup of tea, but they've been getting along well since Anton's departure.

Since it became apparent he was popular? What you mean in week 1? I'm so sick of this claim, people criticise Jay when they weren't getting along, and now they're criticising him when they are. Fact is, Aaron was being quite petty and uncourteous refusing to speak to Jay when he was trying to make amends, Harry never had the same problem, after the incident with the ketch up Harry had a rant and then they apologised and made up, yet Aaron didn't have the decency to do the same, it was never Jay that had the problem with Aaron, he's always struck me as the kind of guy happy to get along with anyone

True Jay does want fame but I think he has more straightforward motivations and ways of getting that fame. The Wolfpack is and always was just a jokey thing that anyone could have joined, it wasn't exclusive, and Aaron even said to Jay that he would take over if Jay was evicted. And tbh Faye and Tom have spent 2 months with Aaron we've only seen a few hours of him, they're probably in a better position to make a judgement than any of us are so it's a very valid example.

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sure they're complete opposites but I quite like the friendships they formed, they do acknowledge the differences between them and like Jay said to Aaron, he knows he's not everyone's cup of tea, but they've been getting along well since Anton's departure.

Since it became apparent he was popular? What you mean in week 1? I'm so sick of this claim, people criticise Jay when they weren't getting along, and now they're criticising him when they are. Fact is, Aaron was being quite petty and uncourteous refusing to speak to Jay when he was trying to make amends, Harry never had the same problem, after the incident with the ketch up Harry had a rant and then they apologised and made up, yet Aaron didn't have the decency to do the same, it was never Jay that had the problem with Aaron, he's always struck me as the kind of guy happy to get along with anyone

True Jay does want fame but I think he has more straightforward motivations and ways of getting that fame. The Wolfpack is and always was just a jokey thing that anyone could have joined, it wasn't exclusive, and Aaron even said to Jay that he would take over if Jay was evicted. And tbh Faye and Tom have spent 2 months with Aaron we've only seen a few hours of him, they're probably in a better position to make a judgement than any of us are so it's a very valid example.

The difference in your example with Harry when compared to Aaron is that Aaron has shown time and again he wont bend his principles on certain subjects. If people wrong him they get excommunicated - unlike say Harry he is quite happy to have nobody talk to him, he doesnt like most of them that much anyway. Jay doesnt get along cause he a good bloke, he gets along for the sake of the show, for noms, for public support. Do you honestly believe in the outside world Jay wouldnt have punched Aarons lights out by now? He more or less admitted as much already.

He holds back cause hes scared of public and HM reaction. Aaron doesnt give two hoots what people think of him most of the time. Why should he pretend to get along with someone who he clearly has nothing in common with? The only reason they chat now is cause Jay (amazingly) is probably the only voice who speaks sense left in there. As nice as Alex is shes very young, Faye is always going off on one, Louise is about as interesting as dishwater and Tom is a spiteful little troll. Aarons not exactly spoilt for choice in the chatting stakes.

And Tom is about the last person Id ask for an opinion on Aaron, hes horrid, has been ever since Aaron spurned him, amazed you dont see that.

[Jamsey]

Ivve gone all anti-Jay these last two days, wich is honestly a great shame, I was really begining to seriously respect him to the point of almost supporting him (Behind Aaron and mabye Alex) but the snide comments behind Aarons back have really thrown me off.

I really hope he was having a bad day and todays highlights show him in a good light again.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by RodHull

The difference in your example with Harry when compared to Aaron is that Aaron has shown time and again he wont bend his principles on certain subjects. If people wrong him they get excommunicated - unlike say Harry he is quite happy to have nobody talk to him, he doesnt like most of them that much anyway. Jay doesnt get along cause he a good bloke, he gets along for the sake of the show, for noms, for public support. Do you honestly believe in the outside world Jay wouldnt have punched Aarons lights out by now? He more or less admitted as much already.

He holds back cause hes scared of public and HM reaction. Aaron doesnt give two hoots what people think of him most of the time. Why should he pretend to get along with someone who he clearly has nothing in common with? The only reason they chat now is cause Jay (amazingly) is probably the only voice who speaks sense left in there. As nice as Alex is shes very young, Faye is always going off on one, Louise is about as interesting as dishwater and Tom is a spiteful little troll. Aarons not exactly spoilt for choice in the chatting stakes.

And Tom is about the last person Id ask for an opinion on Aaron, hes horrid, has been ever since Aaron spurned him, amazed you dont see that.

Perhaps he is just sticking to his principles, but I think he's being quite petty in doing so. Sure if they were outside the house in the real world it'd be fine to just lose contact with someone if you didn't like them but when you're actually living with people 24/7 for weeks you should at least make an effort to get along imo, Jay was after all, he should have returned the favour. I can't really speak for what Jay would do in the outside world, the only time he's got angry with Aaron really has come as a consequence of the food situation, a situation which wouldn't arise between them outside of the house. I think he's actually controlled his anger quite well considering the environment they're living in, anger would be a lot easier to deal with outside of the house so no I don't really think he would have punched his lights out but I can't really say.

You're right Aaron isn't spoiled for choice, but neither is Jay; Aden's gone, Anton's gone, Mark's gone and as much as he might like Louise I think he'd also like some male company so that may well be why the two have started to get on better recently. I don't think it has much to do with his popularity, they've always know that Aaron is popular and it didn't stop him and Jay having their fall-outs, and Jay will also have heard all the boos for Anton but stayed friends with him. I just don't agree that he is as influenced by the outside world as you seem to think.

And sure Tom is a horrible person, but he's bitched about Jay a few times before and isn't really great friends with him, and Faye obviously likes Aaron, so I don't see why they'd be particularly inclined to lie about Aaron being up Jay's ass when really the opposite was true

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Faye obviously likes Aaron, so I don't see why they'd be particularly inclined to lie about Aaron being up Jay's ass when really the opposite was true

Ive kind of lost track of what we were originally debating, but you make some good points even though I dont agree.

But this part mate you are flogging a very dead horse... Faye has consistently lied about Aaron and twisted his words to other HMs to make him look bad, she does it all the time, how you can possibly say otherwise is frankly mind boggling. In fact after Anton, Tom and Jem she has probably gossipped about him and made him appear bad more than anyone.

I think if we are being 100% fair they are both 'up each others arses'

Jay knows aarons popular, Aaron knows Jay always get crowd support. They kind of have an unspoken truce going now if you want my honest appraisal. The competition element of voting is gone now, its just about riding it out to the end.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by RodHull

Ive kind of lost track of what we were originally debating, but you make some good points even though I dont agree.

But this part mate you are flogging a very dead horse... Faye has consistently lied about Aaron and twisted his words to other HMs to make him look bad, she does it all the time, how you can possibly say otherwise is frankly mind boggling. In fact after Anton, Tom and Jem she has probably gossipped about him and made him appear bad more than anyone.

I think if we are being 100% fair they are both 'up each others arses'

Jay knows aarons popular, Aaron knows Jay always get crowd support. They kind of have an unspoken truce going now if you want my honest appraisal. The competition element of voting is gone now, its just about riding it out to the end.

So have I tbh and yeah ok I see your point about Faye, just thought it was interesting to note the contrast between the way they apparently were seeing it and the way a lot of people here have seen it, but it's probably true that they are both up each others arse to a certain extent

[ibkaz]

Originally Posted by CherieB

He was hacked off they were having fun. It should have been him and his princess...

This is spot on.

I haven't been on tibbs a couple days, and after watching last nights show I thought it was full of digs at Aaron from most HM even Faye doing her bit. Aarons moods over last few days did my box in, and then when he shows he can have fun HM seemed even more against him.