[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Surely that'd technically get classed as assault?

Nope.

He was asked to leave, he was unable to provide proof of payment for his journey. He was unable to.

He became verbally abusive to an employee of the rail company. He also failed to follow the request of an employee who is there to enforce the conditions of passenger carriage for the rail company. It is therefore fine that he was removed from said train, with force if he refused to leave. That is ALL that happened.

No assault on the yobbo.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Nope.

He was asked to leave, he was unable to provide proof of payment for his journey. He was unable to.

He became verbally abusive to an employee of the rail company. He also failed to follow the request of an employee who is there to enforce the conditions of passenger carriage for the rail company. It is therefore fine that he was removed from said train, with force if he refused to leave. That is ALL that happened.

No assault on the yobbo.

Not by the other passenger who threw him off, he wasn't. He was basically acting as a vigilante, and whilst I understand the frustrations of the other passengers with the kid for holding up their journey, they have no right whatsoever to use any kind of physical force on him, let alone that much. In fact he literally jumps at the chance: "Do you want me to get him off the train?" he doesn't even ask the kid to move, just grabs him.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Nope.

He was asked to leave, he was unable to provide proof of payment for his journey. He was unable to.

He became verbally abusive to an employee of the rail company. He also failed to follow the request of an employee who is there to enforce the conditions of passenger carriage for the rail company. It is therefore fine that he was removed from said train, with force if he refused to leave. That is ALL that happened.

No assault on the yobbo.

Its not the place of some random guy thinking hes hard to do that though. So IMO it WOULD be classed as assault.

It would not be assault if the relevant authorities had done that, but some randomer...its a little different

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

Because it's not very civil is it...

you prefer social etiquette over wasteful use of public fundings then - that's fine, but I disagree.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its not the place of some random guy thinking hes hard to do that though. So IMO it WOULD be classed as assault.

It would not be assault if the relevant authorities had done that, but some randomer...its a little different

The guy was unable to produce his ticket. He was asked repeatedly - and could not do so. He then proceeded to verbally abuse the conductor.

He was asked, repeatedly to remove himself and get off the train. He refused. His own actions led to him being removed. He created the situation.

I don't see the issue. The guy will no doubt have learned his lesson,

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

The guy was unable to produce his ticket. He was asked repeatedly - and could not do so. He then proceeded to verbally abuse the conductor.

He was asked, repeatedly to remove himself and get off the train. He refused. His own actions led to him being removed. He created the situation.

I don't see the issue. The guy will no doubt have learned his lesson,

And this has WHAT to do with the big guy?

Ah yeah, nothing. Just a chance to show off. Bravo you thug, bravo.

I dont disagree that he should have been removed (though he DID have a valid ticket, but could not produce...and there was no need for the swearing). It was just handled completely wrong.

[joeysteele]

You do have to have your ticket ready for inspection at all times travelling on train or bus, so the lad should have made sure he had that.

I am with Snowball(Pyramid*) and Bethlehem(Jedward fever), on this issue totally.

[In the Drunk Tank]

A couple of weeks back I missed my train, got on a different one at a different time going to a different place, used my old ticket and the conductor couldn't care less, this guy seems like the annoying kind of person who takes a really menial job far too seriously. I didn't real all 3 pages but it does seem a bit harsh to me, but then I've also had it where my train got delayed for half an hour because some stupid woman got on as it was leaving and she didn't have a ticket but went and locked herself in the toilet, wouldn't have minded seeing her chucked off

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

A couple of weeks back I missed my train, got on a different one at a different time going to a different place, used my old ticket and the conductor couldn't care less, this guy seems like the annoying kind of person who takes a really menial job far too seriously. I didn't real all 3 pages but it does seem a bit harsh to me, but then I've also had it where my train got delayed for half an hour because some stupid woman got on as it was leaving and she didn't have a ticket but went and locked herself in the toilet, wouldn't have minded seeing her chucked off

How utterly patronising.... at least the conductor is out earning a crust..... and most probably has been doing so all his working life. Unlike many others. I wonder what other jobs you regard as menial....... I think you will find that most people in menial jobs, actually keep this country running.........

Funny you moan all the same though when it affected you and you'd have been happy to see the woman who was on your train chucked off.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Snowball

How utterly patronising.... at least the conductor is out earning a crust..... and most probably has been doing so all his working life. Unlike many others. I wonder what other jobs you regard as menial....... I think you will find that most people in menial jobs, actually keep this country running.........

Funny you moan all the same though when it affected you and you'd have been happy to see the woman who was on your train chucked off.

Don't be silly, I love conductors.. when they don't take their jobs too seriously. In my case I had spent Ł30 for a ticket, I'm damned if I'm then going to splash out another Ł50 for another ticket for almost the same journey because I missed my train by literally 30 seconds, and the conductor recognised that and didn't have a problem. Those who actually enforce this "YOU MUST HAVE A VALID TICKET FOR THIS EXACT TIME" rule are assholes however.

And yes because she was delaying me and causing a racket

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Don't be silly, I love conductors.. when they don't take their jobs too seriously. In my case I had spent Ł30 for a ticket, I'm damned if I'm then going to splash out another Ł50 for another ticket for almost the same journey because I missed my train by literally 30 seconds, and the conductor recognised that and didn't have a problem. Those who actually enforce this "YOU MUST HAVE A VALID TICKET FOR THIS EXACT TIME" rule are assholes however.

And yes because she was delaying me and causing a racket

I'm not being silly.

This is what you stated.

this guy seems like the annoying kind of person who takes a really menial job far too seriously

What do you think his job is then?

What do you think the purpose is of a Train Conductor/Inspector is....... just wander up and down carriages to waste time and be paid for it?

Whether you regard his job as menial or otherwise far less whether you think he was taking it too seriously, THAT IS the man's job.The man WAS doing his job - the job he is paid to do.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I'm not being silly.

This is what you stated.


What do you think his job is then?

What do you think the purpose is of a Train Conductor/Inspector is....... just wander up and down carriages to waste time and be paid for it?

Whether you regard his job as menial or otherwise far less whether you think he was taking it too seriously, THAT IS the man's job.The man WAS doing his job - the job he is paid to do.

It is a menial job yes, unless you'd like to convince me otherwise?

And yes I understand IT IS HIS JOB, doesn't change my opinion, I'm entitled to my opinion Pyramid

[Tom4784]

I wonder if that bloke would have been so happy to intervene if the fare dodger was the same size as him? He came off as an arse and a bully really and I don't know why anyone would clap at seeing a larger man throw around a lad half his size. Says a lot about them.

The lad shouldn't have done what he did but that's not an excuse for some fat bloke in the midst of a mid life crisis to throw his weight about in a bad attempt to show off.

[Merry Mockmas]

Bloody hell why do some people on here always want to take the soft lefty apporach? the guy didnt show the ticket to the conductor so its not anybodys fault really as they assumed he hadnt got his ticket,while the 19 year old made a mistake with the ticket,but the 19 year old did start to disrupt the train so I can understand why they chucked him off the train.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Bethlehem

Bloody hell why do some people on here always want to take the soft lefty apporach?

oh lord are we really resorting to Daily Mail speak? (i'm aware this is a comment of the exact same calibre)

so I can understand why they chucked him off the train.

they, however, should have been the police or transport security, not a total random passenger, that's the only point I'm making. I'd totally understand if the film was of him being physically removed by police, but it's the fact that it's someone with no legal position to do it that's (obviously.... sometimes I feel like I'm arguing with kindergarten children) unjust.

[Shaun]

It's always annoying when there's no conductor to check your ticket... you just think you could have saved the money

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Shaun

It's always annoying when there's no conductor to check your ticket... you just think you could have saved the money

Yeah I always think that, I reckon a lot of the time if you're only going one stop you can easily get away without needing a ticket unless you're in a coach near to where the conductor comes out

[Shaun]

They usually only come up and down (depending on how many carriages there are, too) once every 4 stops in my experience, and that's the most frequent.

[GypsyGoth]

I'm glad he was thrown off.

[Black Dagger]

The twerp got what he deserved IMO.

If you don't pay, you don't get away.

[Merry Mockmas]

It seems like you have created a popular talking point Jack.

[Locke.]

Time to make all public transport free

[Marc]

One of the best things I've seen in a long time! So worthy of being thrown off the train

[Josy]

The guy that interfered was far too rough, yeah the one that never had a ticket was in the wrong but that was between him and the conductor, no one else, just because he never had a ticket doesnt mean the other guy had a right to assault him, the conductor should have done his job properly and kept him on the train then radio through for the police to be waiting at the next station.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ~HO~HO~HO~

The guy that interfered was far too rough, yeah the one that never had a ticket was in the wrong but that was between him and the conductor, no one else, just because he never had a ticket doesnt mean the other guy had a right to assault him, the conductor should have done his job properly and kept him on the train then radio through for the police to be waiting at the next station.

Very true and the conductor should also have offered to allow the man to purchase a valid ticket or provide some acceptable form of ID in order for the company to send an invoice for the fare for the youth to pay at a convenient time (Thats part of the provisions Rail compainies must follow imposed when the network was sold off).

The passenger had no right to interfere or to manhandle the youth off the train, thats called vigilantism. Would have been funny if the youth had knocked him on his ass after fat man grabbed him, fat man would have had no comeback.

Even though the act was carried out apparently as a public spirited action, in order to help out the conductor and make sure people werent overly delayed because of the action of one numpty its still illegal.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Very true and the conductor should also have offered to allow the man to purchase a valid ticket or provide some acceptable form of ID in order for the company to send an invoice for the fare for the youth to pay at a convenient time (Thats part of the provisions Rail compainies must follow imposed when the network was sold off).

The passenger had no right to interfere or to manhandle the youth off the train, thats called vigilantism. Would have been funny if the youth had knocked him on his ass after fat man grabbed him, fat man would have had no comeback.

Even though the act was carried out apparently as a public spirited action, in order to help out the conductor and make sure people werent overly delayed because of the action of one numpty its still illegal.

We don't know if the conductor perhaps did offer the youth this option and that's where it began to kick off. The start of the clip seems to be whereby the 'discussion' has become a heated one.

For all we know, the conductor may have offered the guy the option and he told him to eff off that he had a ticket.....