[calyman]

Originally Posted by kefln

That would be called personal opinion.

The facts are that you, me and anyone reading this post have no idea what happened in the playboy mansion.

We can assume - we've all heard the stories - but we don't ACTUALLY KNOW what the twins and Hef ACTUALLY did together.

Their ACTUAL job was the promotion of the Playboy empire.

They even said that they weren't allowed down to half the parties there. That most of the time they were bored, just sitting around the house.

So yes d*mning someone as a prostitute based simply on how you view the situation...

And there are vast differences between a persons professional life and their personal life. Like it or not the so called glamour modeling life is a business and playboy is a part of that life. If a girl chooses to pose nude for a camera, that does not make her a *****. And believe it or not that doesn't mean that people can call her one.

In the same context, you defend them as if they haven't done any of those things, you justify their acknowledged sexual commerce as legitimate, which is merely your own personal opinion, no more relevant than the many others who see them as just highly paid sex workers who arrogantly expect to be treated with respect by others.

If they expect to be treated as "ladies", then why make a career built on being overpaid slappers who graduated from the Heffner Harem.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

If they're comfortable with their "career" that's fine. But to act as though they're worth more than the cheap glossy covers they pose on is pretty delusional.

I’m sorry, but I’m slightly confused. When exactly did they act like they are worth more than their “cheap glossy covers”? They have been asked about playboy and they’ve answered fairly honestly. And apart from that they have been mingling with the others. The only “sex” talk is coming from the boys – two in particular.

Originally Posted by 08marsh

To act as though being sexualised by two young boys is demeaning and disrespectful when it's for that reason they have a "career" in the first place is ridiculous. That's the point I was trying to make.

Again, as I’ve mentioned before, there are vast differences between being photographed professionally as a “model” and having someone leach over you in your sitting room. Business v’s personal.

The twins are on the show to increase their profile in the UK. Chances are they will get a few mag deals out of it. Perhaps a few spots on TV shows. Once they are done they’ll hop back across the pond and we’ll probably never hear of them again. That’s business. That’s how they have chosen to make their living.

But they are allowed have an opinion about those that are in their personal space, about comments made to their faces, or behind their backs.

You called two girls prostitutes simply because you disagree with their chosen career. You said that :

“I mean they deserve as much respect as prostitutes due to the fact they sold their soul or at least their bodies to Hugh Hefner.”

That

“They earn their money from the wanking Frank Cocozza's of this world. Don't bite the hands that feed you girls”

To put it simply, soulless *****s, that should mind their tongue and remember their place.

And that I disagree with. My reply was simple, that women, like men, should be allowed to wear and say what they want without being judged as sluts, or *****s.

Just because you don’t like their chosen lifestyle doesn’t mean that their opinion is worthless. And you’ve already made up your mind on them, as you so tastefully put it:

“They shagged an 80 odd year old man to get by in life”

“their dirty 80 yo boss who has a rota for shagging them”

“whether they physically shagged the old perv or not”

You have made your judgement. You have taken a perceived image and d*mned them for it.

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I never made out it was anything but my own opinion. This is a forum I don't have to state it in every post that what I'm saying is an opinion. And I stand by my OPINION

Good for you. We are all entitled to an opinion. Even playboy bunnies…

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

I’m sorry, but I’m slightly confused. When exactly did they act like they are worth more than their “cheap glossy covers”? They have been asked about playboy and they’ve answered fairly honestly. And apart from that they have been mingling with the others. The only “sex” talk is coming from the boys – two in particular.


Again, as I’ve mentioned before, there are vast differences between being photographed professionally as a “model” and having someone leach over you in your sitting room. Business v’s personal.

The twins are on the show to increase their profile in the UK. Chances are they will get a few mag deals out of it. Perhaps a few spots on TV shows. Once they are done they’ll hop back across the pond and we’ll probably never hear of them again. That’s business. That’s how they have chosen to make their living.

But they are allowed have an opinion about those that are in their personal space, about comments made to their faces, or behind their backs.

You called two girls prostitutes simply because you disagree with their chosen career. You said that :

“I mean they deserve as much respect as prostitutes due to the fact they sold their soul or at least their bodies to Hugh Hefner.”

That

“They earn their money from the wanking Frank Cocozza's of this world. Don't bite the hands that feed you girls”

To put it simply, soulless *****s, that should mind their tongue and remember their place.

And that I disagree with. My reply was simple, that women, like men, should be allowed to wear and say what they want without being judged as sluts, or *****s.

Just because you don’t like their chosen lifestyle doesn’t mean that their opinion is worthless. And you’ve already made up your mind on them, as you so tastefully put it:

“They shagged an 80 odd year old man to get by in life”

“their dirty 80 yo boss who has a rota for shagging them”

“whether they physically shagged the old perv or not”

You have made your judgement. You have taken a perceived image and d*mned them for it.


Good for you. We are all entitled to an opinion. Even playboy bunnies…

That last comment is laughable, I never said they are not entitled to do as they please or have their own opinion. I said they are free to do as they please.
As far as finding themselves worth more than the glossy covers has got nothing to do with "sex talk", it's to do with the conversations they've had regarding Frankie and Kirk's behaviour around them. They spoke as though the sexual objection of women was disrespectful to them and everyone else, YET that is their living objectifying women in wank mags. If girls like them didn't so overtly sexualise their tits with silicone implants, blonde hair, sex tapes and magazines (and this isn't a generalisation, these twins have done that) then maybe there wouldn't be such a huge problem with disrespectful little boys.

And yet from my "sold soul and body" you still do not understand my prostitute comparison. It's got nothing to do with the way they dress or the way they speak.

They are comparable to street walkers BECAUSE THEY SLEEEP/SLEPT WITH A DIRTY OLD MAN FOR MONEY AND CAREER OPPORTUNITIES.

If you don't believe they did that, that's your opinion.

And yes I judged them on a perceived image, a perceived image they THEY PERSONALLY gave me. So, I'd call that a pretty accurate judgement.

[Locke.]

There appears to be a few jealous ladies on the forum

[rk3388]

they said themselves the relationship was based on friendship

[HBB1508]

In the immortal words of the great Nick Bateman - if you live by the sword you die by the sword.

[Niamh.]

I'm starting to really like those two actually, they're fiesty and up front. They had Nicola down to a tee as well calling her out her passive aggressive bitchiness

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I have to say I really don't like them one bit, I think they are very arrogant women, I also think they love themselves a bit to much for my liking.

[fitz2k2]

hello there use to this,they get hit on all the time,the know every line a guy has used there not stupid

[starry]

I said a few days ago they were arrogant, good to see that someone else sees that now.

[MTVN]

Meh if Playboy want to pay them a fortune and if hundreds of thousands of people are interested in watching their actions every week then good for them, they're just providing entertainment for which the demand is clearly there, seems a bit odd to single them out to demean and judge considering how some of the others in there have made their name

[Bojangles]

Kirk and Frankie are making me feel sick everytime the twins come into view they start playing with their scrotes.The twins are right to feel disgusted.They are not the true version of a British male.
They shouldn't have to be subjected to this disgusting behaviour.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Bojangles

.....They shouldn't have to be subjected to this disgusting behaviour.

No... I bet it properly upsets their delicate sensibilities. Or... their whole career is based around men handling their own private parts so they should be used to it.

[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by Livia

No... I bet it properly upsets their delicate sensibilities. Or... their whole career is based around men handling their own private parts so they should be used to it.

But not infront of them.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Bojangles

But not infront of them.

For an extra $50 they'd probably do it for them.

[BadBoyMcCoy]

I think after their career choice they should expect guys to sometimes speak to them like they're sex objects. But they shouldn't be criticized for telling guys to f off if the're bothering them.

I can imagine it would be annoying and a bit creepy after a while.

I'm enjoying watching them, I find them quite interesting.

[Bojangles]

The twins are photographic models,they are are not stupid either.It's their job to look good,but they don't have to put up with sexual abuse, true celeb's wouldn't abuse them like Kirk and Frankie the nonentities in the house.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Bojangles

The twins are photographic models,they are are not stupid either.It's their job to look good,but they don't have to put up with sexual abuse, true celeb's wouldn't abuse them like Kirk and Frankie the nonentities in the house.

Frankie is a boy. He's had 15 mins of fame and suddenly finds himself sitting beside playmates. Tact isn't exactly what we are expecting.

Kirk is a c*cky rich boy, who has a little bit of fame and really thinks that complimenting a girl on her chest is charming. But not to worry his dads rich so he can make up for everything by spending cash.

The twins are in BB to raise their British profile, not to pander to the ego's of those around them.

[KenCasanova]

Originally Posted by Bojangles

The twins are photographic models,they are are not stupid either.It's their job to look good,but they don't have to put up with sexual abuse, true celeb's wouldn't abuse them like Kirk and Frankie the nonentities in the house.

Frankie and Kirk are not abusing them, it's banter albeit a bit immature. You must be extremely sensitive to call what they're doing sexual abuse. Talking of sexual abuse was it not Karissa that was getting her arse whipped on film by her then actor boyfriend? Or didn't you get that far into the sex tape?

[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by KenCasanova

Frankie and Kirk are not abusing them, it's banter albeit a bit immature. You must be extremely sensitive to call what they're doing sexual abuse. Talking of sexual abuse was it not Karissa that was getting her arse whipped on film by her then actor boyfriend? Or didn't you get that far into the sex tape?

I was referring to them playing with their knobs as abuse infront of the girls and talking about w---ing.

[chuff me dizzy]

Horrid,spoilt,up their own rumps

[fruit_cake]

I don't really feel strongly at all about the twins either like or dislike so far, just meh.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I don't really feel strongly at all about the twins either like or dislike so far, just meh.

They are ok, you wouldn't miss them if they weren't there. But you have to appreciate how easily they dealt with Kirk...

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by kefln

They are ok, you wouldn't miss them if they weren't there. But you have to appreciate how easily they dealt with Kirk...

there are two of them versus one of him, it's not a fair fight. I don't like BB putting twins or family members in, especially if they are not seperated and put in competition with each other imo

[kefln]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

there are two of them versus one of him, it's not a fair fight. I don't like BB putting twins or family members in, especially if they are not seperated and put in competition with each other imo

But only one made the comment...and you could say that Kirk has back up from Frankie...

Not to mention that putting family members and girlfriends in the house in the past hasn't always worked in a persons favour. Faye nearly went into meltdown and things did not go so well for Rex when his girlfriend came in.