[King Gizzard]

Has the Ipswich Justin Fashanu one come up yet? Ashamed everytime I hear it at a match

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Has the Ipswich Justin Fashanu one come up yet? Ashamed everytime I hear it at a match

No, this whole programme is centered about him though.

His niece is presenting and narrating the whole programme

[bbfan1991]

Some chants are joking but some are way too personal, footie is a man macho game but a shame that some players who are gay are afraid to come out because of the fear of reactions to it.

[Marc]

Players will never come out, it just won't happen because of ignorance and stupid people

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Marc

Caitlin in response to your fbook status;

have you ever been to a football match? it's awful sometimes

I saw Liverpool vs. Middlesborugh and that was okay

what gets said?

[bbfan1991]

It is sad that there are still some prehistoric view, i'm not even gay but a persons sexuality should not affect their job.

[In the Drunk Tank]

I think Matt Lucas is sort of right though that if a player did come out his own fans would show him support, a lot of it is kinda club loyalties and rivalries which make supporters pick up on anything to try and throw at rival teams and players, and I guess homosexuality would be one of those things..

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I saw Liverpool vs. Middlesborugh and that was okay

what gets said?

what doesn't get said. Basically everything, even if you slightly think a player is gay you get sh*t like 'you *******ing ******' etc. etc.

It's seen as completely wrong in football because it's a sport associated with masculinity.

It's a joke.

[Ninastar]

Just say one of them came out, if they went out on a night in the town, you can imagine all kinds of crap happening to them I mean, it depends where you live, but it could happen almost anywhere

do you think it'd go as far as hate crime?

[bbfan1991]

Gareth Thomas!

[Marc]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

It is sad that there are still some prehistoric view, i'm not even gay but a persons sexuality should not affect their job.

Thats discrimination if it does, but it wouldn't be the managers or the club owners who would dismiss them, it would be the pressures off the fans

[Marc]

Hai/ Gareth

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Marc

what doesn't get said. Basically everything, even if you slightly think a player is gay you get sh*t like 'you *******ing ******' etc. etc.

It's seen as completely wrong in football because it's a sport associated with masculinity.

It's a joke.

ugh that's disgusting. I think if I heard it I'd end up crying because it's just so nasty.

it's wrong

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Marc

what doesn't get said. Basically everything, even if you slightly think a player is gay you get sh*t like 'you *******ing ******' etc. etc.

It's seen as completely wrong in football because it's a sport associated with masculinity.

It's a joke.

I think that's a bit of a generalisation, I've been to a lot of games and the vast majority there aren't any problems and it's all good-natured banter really between fans, can't remember ever hearing any really bad homophobic or bigoted stuff

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Just say one of them came out, if they went out on a night in the town, you can imagine all kinds of crap happening to them I mean, it depends where you live, but it could happen almost anywhere

do you think it'd go as far as hate crime?

Oh yeah definitely, they'd be bottled etc. and unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised. This country is narrow minded and football fans are probably the worst for homophobia. I mean you wouldn't get the same level of homophobia from somebody who isn't into sports

[bbfan1991]

Gareth would have some good ideas to combat this in Football.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think that's a bit of a generalisation, I've been to a lot of games and the vast majority there aren't any problems and it's all good-natured banter really between fans, can't remember ever hearing any really bad homophobic or bigoted stuff

even if it's banter it's still wrong. if people said racist things in 'banter' people wouldn't accept that.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

even if it's banter it's still wrong. if people said racist things in 'banter' people wouldn't accept that.

I don't mean homophobic banter, I mean all I normally hear is general banter, not homophobic at all, maybe that's because I've never been to a game with a rumoured gay player playing I dunno

I just don't really like this perception of football fans as ignorant, bigoted people stuck in the past, it's a minority who ruin it

[bbfan1991]

I hate the word banter.

More support should be available for players who are scared to come out...

[Ninastar]

When Sir Ian mckellan came into my school, he said that even when people call eachother gay (as a joke) he finds it upsetting because it's people saying that being gay is bad

I mean it's more of a generational thing and I don't think people mean it like that, but what he said is true. If people act like it's a bad thing, when will it get better?

[Ninastar]

oh god that note is so sad

[In the Drunk Tank]

Oh I didn't realise he killed himself

[bbfan1991]

Yeah he killed himself, so sad.

[Jack_]

Not watching this show but generally, football fans are the scum of both sport in general, and this and other countries. Full of ignorant, narrow-minded, worthless people that have no consideration for others and no real idea of the consequences of their pathetic actions.

If it were down to me I'd have every single person that is seen to be chanting any form of abuse arrested immediately. How logistically possible that is, well, who knows...but something needs to be done.

[bbfan1991]

What is this song called, it has been bugging me?