[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lostalex

ummm no, i said just as, if not more.

do you think Europeans are any less racist than Americans?

I said JUST AS if not more.

Please don't play stupid semantics games, it's tedious.

Why mention Europeans when the thread is about racist remarks about Fabrice Muamba on Twitter?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Don't turn this thread into another America V's Europe/UK ordeal Alex

I'm American, obviously i'm gong to be offering an AMERICAN perspective, that can't be helped.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by lostalex

ummm no, i said just as, if not more.

do you think Europeans are any less racist than Americans?

I said JUST AS if not more.

Please don't play stupid semantics games, it's tedious.

I'm not playing any games, I'm just saying what I read. Why don't you just read what you've written before posting because what you said to start this all off makes it sound as if you're insinuating that Europe is more racist than the US

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Why mention Europeans when the thread is about racist remarks about Fabrice Muamba on Twitter?

i mentioned Europe, because Free Speech laws are very different between Europe and the America, i was pointing out why my opinions would be different, and also acknowledging that our legal systems are very different on this issue.

[Marc]

There's no rationalising with you

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i mentioned Europe, because Free Speech laws are very different between Europe and the America, i was pointing out why my opinions would be different, and also acknowledging that our legal systems are very different on this issue.

I agree with you on that but the way you posted it made us all think you was trying to start a US vs UK debate again.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marc

I'm not playing any games, I'm just saying what I read. Why don't you just read what you've written before posting because what you said to start this all off makes it sound as if you're insinuating that Europe is more racist than the US

well i wasn't saying Europe is MORE racist, i said just as racist, and i think you can aknowledge that Europe is certainly just as racist as America is.

I only mentioned it because you have these much stricter free speech laws, but yur still just as racist, that's all i'm saying.

I was just making the point that having more restrictions on speech doesn't make a place less racist.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I'm American, obviously i'm gong to be offering an AMERICAN perspective, that can't be helped.

There are people from the UK disagreeing with the guys arrest as well, it's not just an American idea it seems and I would guess that alot of Americans would agree with his arrest also, I'm pretty sure all of you don't think the same way.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There are people from the UK disagreeing with the guys arrest as well, it's not just an American idea it seems and I would guess that alot of Americans would agree with his arrest also, I'm pretty sure all of you don't think the same way.

That is certainly true, but i have an American perspective in the sense that i'm more familiar with the American legal system and live under American laws. I'm obviously less familiar with European laws and it's justice system. That;'s all i meant by having an American perspective, and i can't help but compare the 2 systems from MY perspective here.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i never said that. Stop making crap up plz.

Im not, if you can't back up what you say then it's you making crap up alex.

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by Livia

You don't know what he said any more than I do. And yet... already there are people standing up for his right post stuff racist enough to have got him arrested.

I wonder how many people advocating people's right to say racist things have ever been racially abused themselves. Not many, I bet.

Of course I'm standing up for his right to post racist messages. As I have already said, I do not stand for inciting people to violence through racist messages.

And as a matter of fact I do endure abuse every day because of prejudice, so I have an excellent perspective on this issue.

[thesheriff443]

freedom of speach!
you only have to look at what hitler did with it,
to know left unchecked what it can do!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

freedom of speach!
you only have to look at what hitler did with it,
to know left unchecked what it can do!

Like this guy was gonna be as destructive as Hitler.

[fruit_cake]

Sometimes I think by trying to muzzle these people up you just make them angrier, and justify their hated. They end up doing something far worse than just posting a message on twitter.

What this man said is appalling but maybe he needs to be left to say it, because ultimately somebody as ignorant as that invariably ends up looking like a fool if they are left to speak for too long.

As things stand he's going to be made into a martyr for Racists everywhere if he's arrested in my view.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree with you Fruit Cake.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Like this guy was gonna be as destructive as Hitler.

let one spread hatred and others will follow,
how long before these low lifes take it further than just talking!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

let one spread hatred and others will follow,
how long before these low lifes take it further than just talking!

When they take it further then that's when they should be arrested in my view,unless they threatened to kill him of course.

[Kizzy]

To be fair words can do an awful lot of harm, it may sound funny laughing about hitler but propaganda if a powerful tool.
Look at the EDL and BNP they whip ignorant people into a frenzy of hate.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

freedom of speach!
you only have to look at what hitler did with it,
to know left unchecked what it can do!

but Mien Kampf is still on sale in british book shops is it not?

[Boothy]

I saw Chels (from this forum) tweet that he went to the same school as her or something. Seemed like a proper knobhead.

His account's been deleted now but I've found a screenshot of some of his tweets.

[InOne]

I think it's good he's been arrested, relentless trolls like this are the ones that make kids kill themselves and stuff and get away with it. It's good to make an example of him.

[GypsyGoth]

He seems like a scumbag.

[lostalex]

he's clearly in the middle of an angry argument. i don't see him inciting violence against anyone. He's not encouraging white people to go attack black people, he's talking to a specific person, clearly very emotional and angry and just trying to attack this one person he's talking to.

It's ridiculous that he'd be arrested for this kind of thing, You can hear worse than this on almost any youtube flamefest.

[Niall]

I agree that the remarks he made were disgusting, but to arrest him for exercising his right to free speech is the start of a slippery slope. Maybe ban him from Twitter, but arresting him is waaay too far.

[lostalex]

We see a new racist tram lady every week on youtube, how many of them are in jail??