[MTVN]

So the Guantanamo leaks revealed no wrongdoing? http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/a...d&type=article

Or the leaks about how America ignored torture in Iraq? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11611319

I can give you a lot more if you want, when I'm at a computer

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

So the Guantanamo leaks revealed no wrongdoing? http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/a...d&type=article

Or the leaks about how America ignored torture in Iraq? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11611319

I can give you a lot more if you want, when I'm at a computer

You can give me a lot more? You havn't even said anything yet. Show me anything that America has done wrong, anything illegal exposed by wikileaks. there was NOTHING. show me ONE thing that came out of those cables that revealed anything illegal.

You obviously don't know anything about what you are talking about.

You need to get to a computer why? Cause you need to google it? So you can't think of anything? So you are OUTRAGED by the wikileaks, but you can't even remember off the top of yur head anything that was important?? LOL

[arista]

Asylum has Now Been Granted

bobnot you could Edit your Title now
as he is now safe


They have said he can not have safe passage out of the UK,
so I say sneak him out on a Cargo plane

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

Asylum has Now Been Granted

bobnot you could Edit your Title now
as he is now safe


They have said he can not have safe passage out of the UK,
so I say sneak him out on a Cargo plane

he ain't goin nowhere. This is all just a publicity stunt. his donations were running low so he needed a way to get his name back in the papers to get more free cash, that's all this is.

He should change his name to Julian Kardashian.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You can give me a lot more? You havn't even said anything yet. Show me anything that America has done wrong, anything illegal exposed by wikileaks. there was NOTHING. show me ONE thing that came out of those cables that revealed anything illegal.

You obviously don't know anything about what you are talking about.

You need to get to a computer why? Cause you need to google it? So you can't think of anything? So you are OUTRAGED by the wikileaks, but you can't even remember off the top of yur head anything that was important?? LOL

I need a computer because you asked for links which I can't give easily on my iPod

So there's no wrongdoing in either of those two links I gave? Ok then...

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I need a computer because you asked for links which I can't give easily on my iPod

So there's no wrongdoing in either of those two links I gave? Ok then...

sorry, remind me which crimes were exposed. So Iraqi's torturing people is the US's fault? Wow, middle eastern countries torture people in their jails? shocker!!! Thank goodness the wikileaks showed that cause no body knew that was going on!!

If the US ignored it, then so did the rest of the world, so i don't see how that can be counted against the US specifically.

Gues what, they torture people in Chinese jails, North korean jails, and Cuban jails too!! is that the US's fault too? roll on.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

sorry, remind me which crimes were exposed. So Iraqi's torturing people is the US's fault? Wow, middle eastern countries torture people in their jails? shocker!!! Thank goodness the wikileaks showed that cause no body knew that was going on!!

If the US ignored it, then so did the rest of the world, so i don't see how that can be counted against the US specifically.

Gues what, they torture people in Chinese jails, North korean jails, and Cuban jails too!! is that the US's fault too? roll on.

Except you forget that the US had invaded and occupied Iraq at this time and the torture was being carried out right under their noses

What do you make of this one then? http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americ...449200569.html

[billy123]

Originally Posted by arista

Asylum has Now Been Granted

bobnot you could Edit your Title now
as he is now safe


They have said he can not have safe passage out of the UK,
so I say sneak him out on a Cargo plane

I will any suggestions for the title?

[arista]

Originally Posted by bobnot

I will any suggestions for the title?

Asylum has Now Been Granted for Assange

etc.

or


WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange has been granted asylum by Ecuador

[billy123]

Originally Posted by arista

Asylum has Now Been Granted for Assange

etc.

or


WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange has been granted asylum by Ecuador

Done cheers.

[Josy]

Removed a few posts, try to debate without resorting to petty insults please.

[billy123]

If the Americans arent running scared of Assanges wikileaks why are they so desperate to get their hands on him? surely if they have nothing to hide it doesnt matter.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by bobnot

If the Americans arent running scared of Assanges wikileaks why are they so desperate to get their hands on him?

umm, The American's are "desperate to get their hands on Assange"??? what? why are you saying that? The Americans have done absolutely NOTHING to try to get their hands on Assange. SO i have no idea what you are refering to.

What has America done to "try to get their hands on Assange"?

[billy123]

Originally Posted by lostalex

umm, The American's are "desperate to get their hands on Assange"??? what? why are you saying that? The Americans have done absolutely NOTHING to try to get their hands on Assange. SO i have no idea what you are refering to.

What has America done to "try to get their hands on Assange"?

The justice department has already said they are exploring possible charges against wikileaks and assange regarding the release of diplomatic messages add to that the calls from some american politicians that he should be killed if that doesnt make it clear that they want him then i dont know what does the only problem they have is what to charge him with and how to make it stick.

Also it is the norm for an extradition to contain a rule of speciality which ensures that the person facing extradition can only face charges for the offence they are being extradited for and the swedish prosecutors have refused to include that in the extradition which leaves him open to further charges and extradition to a further country. Why would they not grant a rule of speciality if they dont intend to pass him on to the U.S.?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by bobnot

The justice department has already said they are exploring possible charges against wikileaks and assange regarding the release of diplomatic messages add to that the calls from some american politicians that he should be killed if that doesnt make it clear that they want him then i dont know what does the only problem they have is what to charge him with and how to make it stick.

IC, so Americans doing investigations, researching things, gathering information, and not charging him with anything, never requesting to talk to him, never requesting extradition = Americans trying to get their hands on him???

lol, are you serious?

[billy123]

Originally Posted by lostalex

IC, so Americans doing investigations, researching things, gathering information, and not charging him with anything, never requesting to talk to him, never requesting extradition = Americans trying to get their hands on him???

lol, are you serious?

So why are the Swedish prosecutors refusing to include a rule of speciality to prevent further charges which is the norm in these cases?

[lostalex]

William Hague - Foreign Secretary (aka the British equivalent of Hillary Clinton):

"We will not allow Mr Assange safe passage out of the United Kingdom, nor is there any legal basis for us to do so. The United Kingdom does not recognise the principle of diplomatic asylum.

It is far from a universally accepted concept: the United Kingdom is not a party to any legal instruments which require us to recognise the grant of diplomatic asylum by a foreign embassy in this country.

Moreover, it is well established that, even for those countries which do recognise diplomatic asylum, it should not be used for the purposes of escaping the regular processes of the courts. And in this case that is clearly what is happening."

[arista]

William Hague:

"We will not allow Mr Assange safe passage out of the United Kingdom, nor is there any legal basis for us to do so. The United Kingdom does not recognise the principle of diplomatic asylum."


Of Course
that why I say sneak him out on a Cargo Plane
it can be done
and no one will know until they find him Live on CNN
from that Nation.

[lostalex]

If Julian is being persecuted in any way then where are the Aussies?? after all he is an Australian citizen. If Julian was being unfairly targeted in any way then obviously the Australian government would be outraged and defending him. I don't hear anything from the Aussies though.

What does that tell you?? His own country doesn't even want anything to do with him. That should tell you everything you need to know.

[lostalex]

No one should be under any illusions, he is seeking asylum for his sex crimes case, not for anything to do with wikileaks.

Equador is giving him asylum from rape allegations, there are no other allegations against him.

[billy123]

A live stream is up at the moment and somebody is attempting to put a policeman under citizens arrest it would be amusing if it wasnt such a sad state of affairs.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/aejkohl

[Omah]

Originally Posted by bobnot

A live stream is up at the moment and somebody is attempting to put a policeman under citizens arrest it would be amusing if it wasnt such a sad state of affairs.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/aejkohl

Another non-event being staged by non-entities, it would seem .....

[Livia]

The judiciary of Ecuador is laced with corruption, their laws restrict freedom of expression, they are regularly accused of Human Rights abuse and their police are famously corrupt. And yet they are being hailed by some as heroes by offering asylum to Assange so he is not sent to Sweden – SWEDEN – to face charges on sex crimes. It speaks volumes to me.

[MTVN]

Maybe in the past but Correa has worked hard to tackle corruption and has succeeded in improving Ecuador's economy and bringing down poverty and unemployment, I am not aware of any human rights abuses committed under his government. People misrepresent his policy on the media as some sort of crackdown on free speech ignoring that the press have a huge amount of financial power and is dominated by private monopolies opposed to Correa's reforms and they abuse their power. I watched his interview with Assange on his RT show a few weeks ago and it's actually quite interesting

Youtube video

This was always gonna be a lose lose situation for Correa (the US are their biggest trading partner after all) but he's handled this mess as best as he could and I'm glad he made the decision he did

[billy123]

Julian Assange's lawyer is due to make a statement within the next 30 mins and then Julian is expected to come out onto the balcony and make a short statement at around 2pm.
http://reuters.livestation.com/demo

This comes after Ecudor called for a vote of the organization of central america members on whether a meeting should be held to discuss the Assange case the votes were 25-3 for a meeting the only countries to vote against were the USA,Canada and trinidad.