[Vanessa]

I agree. If you have no experience it's a lot harder to find a job. Sometimes it's a language barrier. My brother in law has lots of experience and qualifications in IT. But he can't find a job because his english isn't good enough.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I agree. If you have no experience it's a lot harder to find a job. Sometimes it's a language barrier. My brother in law has lots of experience and qualifications in IT. But he can't find a job because his english isn't good enough.

The job centre may be able to help with an ESOL course?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by kizzy

The job centre may be able to help with an ESOL course?

He's been doing english courses and is improving a lot. Hopefully he'll find a job soon.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Older people have more experience than the younger generation. I know from personal experience that older people get jobs ahead of younger ones. Quite simple really.

Very much depends on the sector Iceman.

I think you'll find that the older generation have age against them in many cases: ageism is as much a blight for the older generation as it is for the younger generation.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I have always said that if you want (hard enough) to work and want a job: you will get one - and if you want to work: you will chose the avenues available that will source work for you. I'm very pleased to have been proven correct on this one.

Myself and no less than 5 others that I worked with - within weeks of being given notice of impending redundancies - each and every one of us secured new employment even before our final working day.

Not one of us had to downgrade either on position/ renumeration /package: in fact, every one of us found employment which included higher salaries and better Company benefits than we had - after only one interview each - and all with different companies.

so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

BUT ... OTHER PEOPLE!

Saying you and all your five friends have jobs is not empirical evidence to then go on to say that it's supposed to be easy finding jobs. Completely anecdotal.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Redway

BUT ... OTHER PEOPLE!

Saying you and all your five friends have jobs is not empirical evidence to then go on to say that it's supposed to be easy finding jobs. Completely anecdotal.

It doesn't have to be - considering I did not say that.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It doesn't have to be - considering I did not say that.

No, but that's what you're implying. Your title basically says that through your personal experience you can come to some sort of bizzare conclusion that finding a job is easy at the moment: it isn't.

The general population provides a much bigger sample ... obviously with all the necessary factors (e.g. age, location) included. You and your five friends don't speak for the general population. Fact. End.

From personal experience, my friends are finding it difficult to get jobs - regardless of how good they would be - which would neutralise your argument completely?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Redway

No, but that's what you're implying. Your title basically says that through your personal experience you can come to some sort of bizzare conclusion that finding a job is easy at the moment: it isn't.

The general population provides a much bigger sample ... obviously with all the necessary factors (e.g. age, location) included. You and your five friends don't speak for the general population. Fact. End.

From personal experience, my friends are finding it difficult to get jobs - regardless of how good they would be - which would neutralise your argument completely?

A conclusion is not bizarre when the facts speak for themselves - my own and my colleagues situation being our facts and this experience is what I base my comments on.

How many of your friends are looking for permanent work whilst signing on - vs how many of them have taken on temp work / short term work while they look for perm positions?.

Perhaps if you could provide that sort of information rather than just saying they are finding it difficult to get jobs.....it might validate your own arguement somewhat.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

A conclusion is not bizarre when the facts speak for themselves - my own and my colleagues situation being our facts and this experience is what I base my comments on.

How many of your friends are looking for permanent work whilst signing on - vs how many of them have taken on temp work / short term work while they look for perm positions?.

Perhaps if you could provide that sort of information rather than just saying they are finding it difficult to get jobs.....it might validate your own arguement somewhat.

That's your personal experience though. It is a bizarre and entirely illogical conclusion to make when the whole nation on 6 people. That's anecdotal evidence. I can counteract that by using anyone's personal experiences when things haven't gone as well for the said person, regardless of their qualifications, etc.

Facts speak for themselves, yeah, so have a read of the news.

[Mystic Mock]

I will do Online University eventually, I just don't know what I want to do though lol.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I will do Online University eventually, I just don't know what I want to do though lol.

Always a good idea especially when out of work when people have time on their hands to study - all the more so when it can be done online and from home. Lots of agencies provide various courses to help along the way. Plus it's a great way of keeping the mind busy, active and in a positive way.

[Shaun]

I see no topic to discuss other than "I've got a job why don't others? "

This thread's incredibly offensive and arrogant.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I see no topic to discuss other than "I've got a job why don't others? "

This thread's incredibly offensive and arrogant.

If you find it so incredibly offensive and arrogant - why post in it then?

The topic is open for discussion as to why there is a general consensus that finding work is so difficult: when it is not always the case.

Perhaps you prefer taking a more negative view Shaun rather than open yourself up to take part in the discussion and that is why you find it so offensive a thread?

[arista]

"This thread's incredibly offensive and arrogant. ~"


No Shaun it is not
its a Viewpoint.


Not a offence, honey

[Benjamin]

Just to add my two-cents worth (it's 2 in the morning here so I'm not reading through pages and pages of discussion, forgive me) but when I was a manager and I got made redundant a few years ago, it knocked my confidence a dash and meant I had to take on jobs that were of a lower role and pay. I soon found my way back onto my feet though. There are always jobs available, it's just a case of actually looking and trying your hardest to make an outstanding impression on first contact. Some people like to make excuses and blame everything else as to why they cannot do things when infact their only excuse for not getting anywhere is themselves.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Just to add my two-cents worth (it's 2 in the morning here so I'm not reading through pages and pages of discussion, forgive me) but when I was a manager and I got made redundant a few years ago, it knocked my confidence a dash and meant I had to take on jobs that were of a lower role and pay. I soon found my way back onto my feet though. There are always jobs available, it's just a case of actually looking and trying your hardest to make an outstanding impression on first contact. Some people like to make excuses and blame everything else as to why they cannot do things when infact their only excuse for not getting anywhere is themselves.

You are, like the OP, offering a subjective experience as fact.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

You are, like the OP, offering a subjective experience as fact.

There are always jobs available Omah. That is fact.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

There are always jobs available Omah. That is fact.

Of course there are but the difference between each persons personal circumstances are vast. It may be ok for ben to take a pay cut and rebuild, flip that and imagine a 38yr old father of 3 with a morgage made redundant...

We could sit here flinging hypotheticals about till the cows come home, fact is when you have a job it is so easy to look down on those who don't.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Of course there are but the difference between each persons personal circumstances are vast. It may be ok for ben to take a pay cut and rebuild, flip that and imagine a 38yr old father of 3 with a morgage made redundant...

We could sit here flinging hypotheticals about till the cows come home, fact is when you have a job it is so easy to look down on those who don't.

Of course, people will have different circumstances: one size doesn't fit all, just as one excuse doesn't fit all.

Why should a 38 year old with a mortage,with 3 kids find it so hard to take a pay cut - versus being on the dole and receiving far less money into the household? Dependant on the type of mortgage he has, he may not get assistance in paying that - so if anything: having a mortgage (and on the premise, no redundancy protection insurance) - that's actually a better motivator to get a job - lower salary or not.

If the kids are of school age: what prevents him from taking work - even if it is lower paid that his previous salary?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Omah

You are, like the OP, offering a subjective experience as fact.

There are always jobs available. That is a fact. Maybe not all at the same time, but day after day new jobs appear as others fill up. Getting a job takes time and effort, those that look hardest, not fussy and are the most determined will generally find something pretty quickly.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

There are always jobs available. That is a fact.

True

Getting a job takes time and effort

Usually true

Those that look hardest, not fussy and are the most determined will generally find something pretty quickly

Many categories of the unemployed will consider that statement absolute piffle and unsupportable balderdash

[arista]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Just to add my two-cents worth (it's 2 in the morning here so I'm not reading through pages and pages of discussion, forgive me) but when I was a manager and I got made redundant a few years ago, it knocked my confidence a dash and meant I had to take on jobs that were of a lower role and pay. I soon found my way back onto my feet though. There are always jobs available, it's just a case of actually looking and trying your hardest to make an outstanding impression on first contact. Some people like to make excuses and blame everything else as to why they cannot do things when infact their only excuse for not getting anywhere is themselves.

Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

Thank you Arista.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Just to add my two-cents worth (it's 2 in the morning here so I'm not reading through pages and pages of discussion, forgive me) but when I was a manager and I got made redundant a few years ago, it knocked my confidence a dash and meant I had to take on jobs that were of a lower role and pay. I soon found my way back onto my feet though. There are always jobs available, it's just a case of actually looking and trying your hardest to make an outstanding impression on first contact. Some people like to make excuses and blame everything else as to why they cannot do things when infact their only excuse for not getting anywhere is themselves.

Originally Posted by Omah

You are, like the OP, offering a subjective experience as fact.

Originally Posted by ukturtle

There are always jobs available. That is a fact. Maybe not all at the same time, but day after day new jobs appear as others fill up. Getting a job takes time and effort, those that look hardest, not fussy and are the most determined will generally find something pretty quickly.

Originally Posted by Omah

True

Usually true

Many categories of the unemployed will consider that statement absolute piffle and unsupportable balderdash

Originally Posted by arista

Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Thank you Arista.

I don't "attack" other posters but 1 certainly pointed out the invalidity of an assertion.....

[Redway]

Originally Posted by arista

Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

I'm not attacking Pyramid though. I just think this is a stupid and inflamatory thread and said so. Two people's experiences with jobs doesn't affect the fact that there aren't many jobs available and hardly speaks for the nation. Let it be 2000 out of 20 million then. Still a low percentage of people getting employed right? Yes? No?

And so what if Ben's a mod? That lifts him up to some honorary status does it? Bottom line is he's normal - just like everyone else. I still stand by my point.