[Benjamin]

Just to add my two-cents worth (it's 2 in the morning here so I'm not reading through pages and pages of discussion, forgive me) but when I was a manager and I got made redundant a few years ago, it knocked my confidence a dash and meant I had to take on jobs that were of a lower role and pay. I soon found my way back onto my feet though. There are always jobs available, it's just a case of actually looking and trying your hardest to make an outstanding impression on first contact. Some people like to make excuses and blame everything else as to why they cannot do things when infact their only excuse for not getting anywhere is themselves.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Just to add my two-cents worth (it's 2 in the morning here so I'm not reading through pages and pages of discussion, forgive me) but when I was a manager and I got made redundant a few years ago, it knocked my confidence a dash and meant I had to take on jobs that were of a lower role and pay. I soon found my way back onto my feet though. There are always jobs available, it's just a case of actually looking and trying your hardest to make an outstanding impression on first contact. Some people like to make excuses and blame everything else as to why they cannot do things when infact their only excuse for not getting anywhere is themselves.

You are, like the OP, offering a subjective experience as fact.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

You are, like the OP, offering a subjective experience as fact.

There are always jobs available Omah. That is fact.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

There are always jobs available Omah. That is fact.

Of course there are but the difference between each persons personal circumstances are vast. It may be ok for ben to take a pay cut and rebuild, flip that and imagine a 38yr old father of 3 with a morgage made redundant...

We could sit here flinging hypotheticals about till the cows come home, fact is when you have a job it is so easy to look down on those who don't.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Of course there are but the difference between each persons personal circumstances are vast. It may be ok for ben to take a pay cut and rebuild, flip that and imagine a 38yr old father of 3 with a morgage made redundant...

We could sit here flinging hypotheticals about till the cows come home, fact is when you have a job it is so easy to look down on those who don't.

Of course, people will have different circumstances: one size doesn't fit all, just as one excuse doesn't fit all.

Why should a 38 year old with a mortage,with 3 kids find it so hard to take a pay cut - versus being on the dole and receiving far less money into the household? Dependant on the type of mortgage he has, he may not get assistance in paying that - so if anything: having a mortgage (and on the premise, no redundancy protection insurance) - that's actually a better motivator to get a job - lower salary or not.

If the kids are of school age: what prevents him from taking work - even if it is lower paid that his previous salary?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Of course, people will have different circumstances: one size doesn't fit all, just as one excuse doesn't fit all.

Why should a 38 year old with a mortage,with 3 kids find it so hard to take a pay cut - versus being on the dole and receiving far less money into the household? Dependant on the type of mortgage he has, he may not get assistance in paying that - so if anything: having a mortgage (and on the premise, no redundancy protection insurance) - that's actually a better motivator to get a job - lower salary or not.

If the kids are of school age: what prevents him from taking work - even if it is lower paid that his previous salary?

I just find it funny how you have all the answers pyra, I really wish I knew how you do it...You make everything sound sooo easy

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I just find it funny how you have all the answers pyra, I really wish I knew how you do it...You make everything sound sooo easy

My natural charm, charisma, positive outlook, go get attitude - maybe all that had a huge helping hand, as well as my willingness to be prepared to compromise if needed.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I just find it funny how you have all the answers pyra, I really wish I knew how you do it...You make everything sound sooo easy

I believe that £100k pa does a lot for one's self-confidence .....

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Omah

You are, like the OP, offering a subjective experience as fact.

There are always jobs available. That is a fact. Maybe not all at the same time, but day after day new jobs appear as others fill up. Getting a job takes time and effort, those that look hardest, not fussy and are the most determined will generally find something pretty quickly.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

There are always jobs available. That is a fact.

True

Getting a job takes time and effort

Usually true

Those that look hardest, not fussy and are the most determined will generally find something pretty quickly

Many categories of the unemployed will consider that statement absolute piffle and unsupportable balderdash

[arista]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Just to add my two-cents worth (it's 2 in the morning here so I'm not reading through pages and pages of discussion, forgive me) but when I was a manager and I got made redundant a few years ago, it knocked my confidence a dash and meant I had to take on jobs that were of a lower role and pay. I soon found my way back onto my feet though. There are always jobs available, it's just a case of actually looking and trying your hardest to make an outstanding impression on first contact. Some people like to make excuses and blame everything else as to why they cannot do things when infact their only excuse for not getting anywhere is themselves.

Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

Thank you Arista.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Just to add my two-cents worth (it's 2 in the morning here so I'm not reading through pages and pages of discussion, forgive me) but when I was a manager and I got made redundant a few years ago, it knocked my confidence a dash and meant I had to take on jobs that were of a lower role and pay. I soon found my way back onto my feet though. There are always jobs available, it's just a case of actually looking and trying your hardest to make an outstanding impression on first contact. Some people like to make excuses and blame everything else as to why they cannot do things when infact their only excuse for not getting anywhere is themselves.

Originally Posted by Omah

You are, like the OP, offering a subjective experience as fact.

Originally Posted by ukturtle

There are always jobs available. That is a fact. Maybe not all at the same time, but day after day new jobs appear as others fill up. Getting a job takes time and effort, those that look hardest, not fussy and are the most determined will generally find something pretty quickly.

Originally Posted by Omah

True

Usually true

Many categories of the unemployed will consider that statement absolute piffle and unsupportable balderdash

Originally Posted by arista

Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Thank you Arista.

I don't "attack" other posters but 1 certainly pointed out the invalidity of an assertion.....

[Redway]

Originally Posted by arista

Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

I'm not attacking Pyramid though. I just think this is a stupid and inflamatory thread and said so. Two people's experiences with jobs doesn't affect the fact that there aren't many jobs available and hardly speaks for the nation. Let it be 2000 out of 20 million then. Still a low percentage of people getting employed right? Yes? No?

And so what if Ben's a mod? That lifts him up to some honorary status does it? Bottom line is he's normal - just like everyone else. I still stand by my point.