[arista]

Don't Let The System Get To you.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Firstly: I would far prefer to not individualise the subject to discussing Kate's own personal circumstances.

I made no assumptions Joey: you did. You also made incorrect assumptions on the percentages as you'd not checked the figures in the link provided.

I am a posting member Joey - and if you (or anyone else for that matter) puts up a post that I wish to comment on, pertaining to the points you have made on the subject matter, then I am entitled to do so.

If you read my second post you will see I amended those percentages,it would have saved you the bother of jumping in again.I originally quoted the percentages the Lib Dem councillors gave to the lady in question.
If I find I post some incorrect information, I alwasy amend it and make it right.

Also Kate had already shared her predicament with all on this thread on the bedroom tax as it is called so I am sure she would have no objection to me commenting briefly as to that to validate my point.

I don't go about nit picking at others posts.

All I am now saying is I didn't want to reply to you directly but chose to on that occasion, I will not again, so if you feel any need to respond to any of my posts please don't expect any reply back.
As also a posting member that is my right too, so I would think it better you respond to those you will get a response from.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

"Spare rooms could be used to generate some form of income"


Or become your Living Room 2
or Art Studio.

Or an office for those who are homeworkers .... good point Arista.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

Don't Let The System Get To you.

I can't help it, these snobby twats that are called the leaders of this country have never had to suffer anything, just once I would like them to have something bad happen to them and then they might see how we feel.

I know it's bad of me to want it to happen and I wouldn't want anything to bad to happen to them but something has got to be done as they are not down with the people at all.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If you read my second post you will see I amneded those percentages,it would have saved you the bother of jumping in again.I originally quoted the percentages the Lib Dem councillors gace to the lady in question.
If I find I post some incorrect information, I alwasy amend it and make it right.

Also Kate had already shared her predicament with all on this thread on the bedroom tax as it is called so I am sure she would have no objection to me commenting briefly as to that to validate my point.

I don't go about nit picking at others posts.

All I am now saying is I didn't want to reply to you directly but chose to on that occasion, I will not again, so if you feel any need to respond to any of my posts please don't expect any reply back.
As also a posting member that is my right too, so I would think it better you repsond to those you will get a response from.

yes, I noted your correction.

Joey: a poster cannot decide they want to raise a thread based on their own predicament and share that with everyone as you have alluded to and then start taking offence - when they have chosen to bring themselves into it personally. Either Kate wishes this thread to discuss her own predicament, or the discussion is a general one for those it may affect. If it is down to discussing and sharing one members predicament as you have inferred here: then that allows ALL members to contribute - not only the ones that are all in agreement.

Perhaps someone can clarify - are we discussing a general Government proposal and how it will affect those GENERALLY in a particular situation.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If you read my second post you will see I amended those percentages,it would have saved you the bother of jumping in again.I originally quoted the percentages the Lib Dem councillors gave to the lady in question.
If I find I post some incorrect information, I alwasy amend it and make it right.

Also Kate had already shared her predicament with all on this thread on the bedroom tax as it is called so I am sure she would have no objection to me commenting briefly as to that to validate my point.

I don't go about nit picking at others posts.

All I am now saying is I didn't want to reply to you directly but chose to on that occasion, I will not again, so if you feel any need to respond to any of my posts please don't expect any reply back.
As also a posting member that is my right too, so I would think it better you respond to those you will get a response from.

She knows you amended the percentages but she's trying to wind you up.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Or an office for those who are homeworkers .... good point Arista.

Yes a 2nd Living Room
can be used for many things.


Make sure any 2nd spare beds are removed etc.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I can't help it, these snobby twats that are called the leaders of this country have never had to suffer anything, just once I would like them to have something bad happen to them and then they might see how we feel.

I know it's bad of me to want it to happen and I wouldn't want anything to bad to happen to them but something has got to be done as they are not down with the people at all.

I really have to say that no matter who is in power - no Government can please all of the people all of the time - and they never will.

What one Government fails on, another will succeed, and vice versa.

[Shaun]

It sounds like a good idea on paper, but like too many issues this government are trying to tackle in order to try and present themselves as tough on benefit cheats, it's too complicated. Situations with joint custody, older children coming home from University for the holidays, rooms being renovated... all bear complications.

Personally my mum's just moved into a three-bedroom council house - strictly for her, my younger brother, and my niece (who she has guardianship over... there was a long and bitter custodial battle between her mother and my older brother, but they both still see her and get along now). My sister's just turned 18 and is expected to find her own housing, and I am too. So at the moment I'm sharing a bedroom with my brother (which isn't ideal but he sleeps downstairs a lot when friends are over anyway ), my sister has her own room (unfair ¬_¬ LOL) and my mum uses my niece's room when she's at her mother/father's (which is more often during the holidays than it is in schooltime).

I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with this but presenting myself and my sister (who is employed, but not making enough to afford rent on her own even for a flat, since South Devon housing prices are probably some of the highest of the country). Torbay's a total mess, really - the highest teen pregnancy rates of the country, and some of the longest waiting lists, so I shouldn't complain really.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes a 2nd Living Room
can be used for many things.


Make sure any 2nd spare beds are removed etc.

I see where you are coming from.... it does specifically refer to BEDROOM - and that's a word used continually throughout.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I caught that after your edit - and from that explanation - It makes perfect sense - and would also explain where Joey's thoughts have also come from in respect of same costs or higher.

What's the solution? Build more social / council housing of course - but where does all the money to do so, come from?

It's a difficult one - I can see why there is a need to look at these things, absolutely - - what or how a solution is reached that meets everyones expectations - is a different matter entirely.

I honestly have no idea. But targetting the most vulnerable in society isnt the way to go IMO. So many of the benefit reforms have been about taking away from those who need it most, and its unfair. And IF this new tax is about saving the government money (which I suspect it is, based on previous 'changes') they will be very disappointed I think

Unless of course, when they realise they arent saving money through this they just cut LHA rates also, forcing more out onto the streets to save a bit more cash. Which I really wouldnt put past the current ones in power.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I really have to say that no matter who is in power - no Government can please all of the people all of the time - and they never will.

What one Government fails on, another will succeed, and vice versa.

Both Governments can't seem to do anything right though, and the Tories have made a stupid law here, you can't help it if your house is to big for how many live in there.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

It sounds like a good idea on paper, but like too many issues this government are trying to tackle in order to try and present themselves as tough on benefit cheats, it's too complicated. Situations with joint custody, older children coming home from University for the holidays, rooms being renovated... all bear complications.

Personally my mum's just moved into a three-bedroom council house - strictly for her, my younger brother, and my niece (who she has guardianship over... there was a long and bitter custodial battle between her mother and my older brother, but they both still see her and get along now). My sister's just turned 18 and is expected to find her own housing, and I am too. So at the moment I'm sharing a bedroom with my brother (which isn't ideal but he sleeps downstairs a lot when friends are over anyway ), my sister has her own room (unfair ¬_¬ LOL) and my mum uses my niece's room when she's at her mother/father's (which is more often during the holidays than it is in schooltime).

I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with this but presenting myself and my sister (who is employed, but not making enough to afford rent on her own even for a flat, since South Devon housing prices are probably some of the highest of the country). Torbay's a total mess, really - the highest teen pregnancy rates of the country, and some of the longest waiting lists, so I shouldn't complain really.

By law, or by your mother?

I ask this because theres also talk of stopping any form of housing benefit for under 25s...as apparently the parents should house their children until this age if they cannot afford to live on their own

Under 35s will be expected to share rooms...though eactly where all these shared rooms for rent are, I dont know :S

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

yes, I noted your correction.

Joey: a poster cannot decide they want to raise a thread based on their own predicament and share that with everyone as you have alluded to and then start taking offence - when they have chosen to bring themselves into it personally. Either Kate wishes this thread to discuss her own predicament, or the discussion is a general one for those it may affect. If it is down to discussing and sharing one members predicament as you have inferred here: then that allows ALL members to contribute - not only the ones that are all in agreement.

Perhaps someone can clarify - are we discussing a general Government proposal and how it will affect those GENERALLY in a particular situation.

Give it a rest Pyra, and stop having digs at me in your replies to other people. Yes we are discussing the policy in general, but people will always relate it to how it affects them personally, which is more than fine, it moves the discussion on and I am happy to divulge my personal circumstances, I just don't expect to be knocked for them. As I've stated several times on here, I have been employed all my working life since leaving school, so the implication that I'm a sponger isn't welcome, please stop it. However, you are hellbent on hammering the point home that people in social housing who are out of work aren't even fit to be called working class, out of your own mouth came the words, so don't try to back track please.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

By law, or by your mother?

I ask this because theres also talk of stopping any form of housing benefit for under 25s...as apparently the parents should house their children until this age if they cannot afford to live on their own

Under 35s will be expected to share rooms...though eactly where all these shared rooms for rent are, I dont know :S

Law - my mum wants to keep her

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I honestly have no idea. But targetting the most vulnerable in society isnt the way to go IMO. So many of the benefit reforms have been about taking away from those who need it most, and its unfair. And IF this new tax is about saving the government money (which I suspect it is, based on previous 'changes') they will be very disappointed I think

Unless of course, when they realise they arent saving money through this they just cut LHA rates also, forcing more out onto the streets to save a bit more cash. Which I really wouldnt put past the current ones in power.

I'd have to agree, it's all about saving money ultimately. Perhaps not the most carefully thought out I'd be the first to agree there - Whether it goes ahead or not...... let's see.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Law - my mum wants to keep her

Well thats ridiculous then

By law you need to move out at 18, but also by law you cant recieve any help towards housing costs until 25 year old? The government gunna guarantee ever 18-25 year old a fulltime job upon leaving home then? Enough wage to cover rent and basic living expenses at least? Really doubt it :S

Edit. I should have quoted a source for that rather than just springing it out of the blue, but http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...er-25s-welfare

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

Give it a rest Pyra, and stop having digs at me in your replies to other people. Yes we are discussing the policy in general, but people will always relate it to how it affects them personally, which is more than fine, it moves the discussion on and I am happy to divulge my personal circumstances, I just don't expect to be knocked for them. As I've stated several times on here, I have been employed all my working life since leaving school, so the implication that I'm a sponger isn't welcome, please stop it. However, you are hellbent on hammering the point home that people in social housing who are out of work aren't even fit to be called working class, out of your own mouth came the words, so don't try to back track please.

For the love of god Kate, I have not implied you are a sponger - can't you stick to the topic... It is one that you wanted to discuss.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well thats ridiculous then

By law you need to move out at 18, but also by law you cant recieve any help towards housing costs until 25 year old? The government gunna guarantee ever 18-25 year old a fulltime job upon leaving home then? Enough wage to cover rent and basic living expenses at least? Really doubt it :S

Exactly, with these unemployment rates it's just daft. Council tax is really high around here too (I'm just trying to put off anyone moving to Devon now )

[Vanessa]

I have a one bedroom flat, so i should be safe.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

For the love of god Kate, I have not implied you are a sponger - can't you stick to the topic... It is one that you wanted to discuss.

you blatantly have.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

you blatantly have.

No one understands what it's like to be out of work until it happens to them. I lost my job last year and had to claim benefits. I was so depressed. Getting my job back has really helped my confidence.

[Pyramid*]

I'm shocked at this - or perhaps I'm misunderstanding.

Are we saying here that by Law, anyone over the age of 18 is not expected to stay with their parents if the parents? that does not sound right.... ??

Have I misunderstood?

My sister's just turned 18 and is expected to find her own housing, and I am too

[Shaun]

Let me rephrase: I'm not allowed my own room here because I'm only home for the holidays, and...expected to sleep on the sofa I guess but my sister isn't supposed to be here, no. Obviously forcibly evicting everyone staying with their mum after 18 in council housing is ridiculous and unrealistic, so nothing's been done yet, but she's expressed an interest in sharing a flat with some workmates in the future anyway (was saving for a deposit, but then spent it on driving lessons & tests IIRC)

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

No one understands what it's like to be out of work until it happens to them. I lost my job last year and had to claim benefits. I was so depressed. Getting my job back has really helped my confidence.

Good that you've got on your feet again Vanessa, nice positive note there.