[billy123]

Originally Posted by the truth

I employ over 40 people, I get all my opinions from the real world , never from media. thank you. The sheer volume of dishonest, lazy , unambitious, workshy , selfish , vain idiots Ive had applying for jobs is mindboggling. the majority of them drink heavily, the majority let me down most of the time and the vast majority refuse to work weekends due to drink.. I have to go through about 20 workers, to get 1 decent honest worker. this is the UK I know Ive been in business 20 years.

The majority of people looking to work for you drink heavily? where the **** do you live?????????????? Ireland?????

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bobnot

The majority of people looking to work for you drink heavily? where the **** do you live?????????????? Ireland?????

Excuse me?

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Excuse me?

It was the only place i could think of where this land where the majority of jobseekers could possibly be heavy drinking druggys with tattoos and fake tan the truth will hopefully tell us his location now and stop the guessing.
Is it manchester,essex maybe? where is this land he speaks of it sounds horrid!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

I employ over 40 people, I get all my opinions from the real world , never from media. thank you. The sheer volume of dishonest, lazy , unambitious, workshy , selfish , vain idiots Ive had applying for jobs is mindboggling. the majority of them drink heavily, the majority let me down most of the time and the vast majority refuse to work weekends due to drink.. I have to go through about 20 workers, to get 1 decent honest worker. this is the UK I know Ive been in business 20 years.

Dont you run a taxi company? Or at least something to do with driving...

(I may have picked up on this wrong somewhere along the line though)

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I have been on the dole myself in the past and I honestly cannot see how any jobseeker can afford to drink, smoke, or even eat proper meals tbh on the pittance they are given. I seriously hate the attitude that the majority are lazy scroungers who manage to buy plasma tvs, sit in the pub all day and have 4x expensive holidays a year...etc etc. I know a lot of people who are out of work at the moment actually and not one of them can afford to do any of those things...they tend to struggle to even keep a roof over their heads with all the **** ups that come with housing benefit, and it will be worse once the new changes come in too.

I could understand the attacks on the unemployed IF there were loads of unfilled jobs...enough to take even half of the unemployed population off benefits, but people just werent applying for them. This is not the case though. My father in law quite recently advertised for a new staff member (rather stupidly through the jobcentre...although we advised him against it as we know they force ANYONE to apply for the jobs, even if they dont have the relevant experience) and received over 150 applications. This is for a job of only 8 hours a week too, not even a fulltime position. So its clearly not just lazy people not wanting to work...the problem is the lack of jobs out there for the amount of people who are currently unemployed.

Before long too, a lot of people who already have jobs will be treat the same as these 'dole scroungers'. if you work part time you may be forced to apply for jobs with as little as 1 hour extra a week or face being sanctioned. No matter what your reasons for working part time in the first place...which is quite worrying as a lot of single mothers do part time work while their kids are at school, some people with disabilities push themselves to do a few hours a week etc etc.

Went on a bit of a rant there, but in short I totally understand why people are pissed off, and while I know marches and protests wont make a blind bit of difference, I admire them for standing up for themselves/those less fortunate.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Dont you run a taxi company? Or at least something to do with driving...

(I may have picked up on this wrong somewhere along the line though)

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I have been on the dole myself in the past and I honestly cannot see how any jobseeker can afford to drink, smoke, or even eat proper meals tbh on the pittance they are given. I seriously hate the attitude that the majority are lazy scroungers who manage to buy plasma tvs, sit in the pub all day and have 4x expensive holidays a year...etc etc. I know a lot of people who are out of work at the moment actually and not one of them can afford to do any of those things...they tend to struggle to even keep a roof over their heads with all the **** ups that come with housing benefit, and it will be worse once the new changes come in too.

I could understand the attacks on the unemployed IF there were loads of unfilled jobs...enough to take even half of the unemployed population off benefits, but people just werent applying for them. This is not the case though. My father in law quite recently advertised for a new staff member (rather stupidly through the jobcentre...although we advised him against it as we know they force ANYONE to apply for the jobs, even if they dont have the relevant experience) and received over 150 applications. This is for a job of only 8 hours a week too, not even a fulltime position. So its clearly not just lazy people not wanting to work...the problem is the lack of jobs out there for the amount of people who are currently unemployed.

Before long too, a lot of people who already have jobs will be treat the same as these 'dole scroungers'. if you work part time you may be forced to apply for jobs with as little as 1 hour extra a week or face being sanctioned. No matter what your reasons for working part time in the first place...which is quite worrying as a lot of single mothers do part time work while their kids are at school, some people with disabilities push themselves to do a few hours a week etc etc.

Went on a bit of a rant there, but in short I totally understand why people are pissed off, and while I know marches and protests wont make a blind bit of difference, I admire them for standing up for themselves/those less fortunate.

Really good post,I agree with all you have said.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

the poorest pay most of the debt?

Really.!! Good god.. you really need to get in touch with reality.

The poorest don't tend to have their own mortgages to ensure they keep a roof over their heads (and the don't have the comfort of being able to rely on the Government to pay for their social housing during lean times). Those with mortgages receive very little help (if at all)..... and are expected to pay additional premiums to 'protect themselves' in times of hardship such as being unexpected long term illnesses, losing jobs etc. Even if they are struggling on basic salaries.

the Poorest receive free dental treatment which isn't available to those working ...even those who are really struggling to get by on the basic min wages, but still they are not allowed free dental treatment.

So quit with the sob story here... please!


I make no bones about this..... the very low (unbelievably low) payments that are made to those in genuine times of hardship are a joke - an absolute joke ...... but thanks to those types who bleed the system dry (yer every con man who knows every trick in the book, the asylum seekers that know more about benefits that our own countryfolk, and MP's etc who are claim for every goddam thing - including those rescinding on what they agreed etc).......

Please... give it a rest about the poor.

If you want to see poor.... go take a trip to Kenya, Ethiopia, better than that, have a look at where ever you live and it's your local city centre.

Ever done any voluntary work for the homeless? I have, I do and have done for years. That opens up your eyes a whole lot..... Does it make me feel good? Not one bit, it makes me sick when I realise the crap that I find time to moan about in my own life. I see these poor forgotten souls - who are POOR - and many through real ****ty circumstances.... People who literally have not a penny to their name, no homes, no food, no every night shelter, no warmth, no hot water, no comfort... sweet FA ...... get your act together when you refer to 'the poor'.

Some people really need to look outside their own little priviledged boxes and start to try to even begin to comprehend what the word 'poor' means.

Living off the state, in a warm house, with water, electricity, gas, food, comfort, tv, internet, mobile phones is not POOR. It's called going through hard times... something that hits many of us and we get through it thanks to the government doing all they can to ensure we dont' end up on the streets. Get yourself a mortage: then that's when it all goes tits up if it all comes crashing down.

Time people woke up.

So just because we are not as poor as the African countries means that we can't complain when the ***** in charge of this country target the poor, target the disabled, and target anyone that isn't Upper Class.

Then don't forget the other stuff that the twats have messed up even bigger than Labour even could like sacking a load of Police Officers.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

So just because we are not as poor as the African countries means that we can't complain when the ***** in charge of this country target the poor, target the disabled, and target anyone that isn't Upper Class.

Then don't forget the other stuff that the twats have messed up even bigger than Labour even could like sacking a load of Police Officers.

They just blame that on the previous goverment like they always have done it gets so tiresome.
The global recession is labours fault according to the torys.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bobnot

The majority of people looking to work for you drink heavily? where the **** do you live?????????????? Ireland?????

heavily when not at work. I run businesses in the south wales

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Dont you run a taxi company? Or at least something to do with driving...

(I may have picked up on this wrong somewhere along the line though)

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I have been on the dole myself in the past and I honestly cannot see how any jobseeker can afford to drink, smoke, or even eat proper meals tbh on the pittance they are given. I seriously hate the attitude that the majority are lazy scroungers who manage to buy plasma tvs, sit in the pub all day and have 4x expensive holidays a year...etc etc. I know a lot of people who are out of work at the moment actually and not one of them can afford to do any of those things...they tend to struggle to even keep a roof over their heads with all the **** ups that come with housing benefit, and it will be worse once the new changes come in too.

I could understand the attacks on the unemployed IF there were loads of unfilled jobs...enough to take even half of the unemployed population off benefits, but people just werent applying for them. This is not the case though. My father in law quite recently advertised for a new staff member (rather stupidly through the jobcentre...although we advised him against it as we know they force ANYONE to apply for the jobs, even if they dont have the relevant experience) and received over 150 applications. This is for a job of only 8 hours a week too, not even a fulltime position. So its clearly not just lazy people not wanting to work...the problem is the lack of jobs out there for the amount of people who are currently unemployed.

Before long too, a lot of people who already have jobs will be treat the same as these 'dole scroungers'. if you work part time you may be forced to apply for jobs with as little as 1 hour extra a week or face being sanctioned. No matter what your reasons for working part time in the first place...which is quite worrying as a lot of single mothers do part time work while their kids are at school, some people with disabilities push themselves to do a few hours a week etc etc.

Went on a bit of a rant there, but in short I totally understand why people are pissed off, and while I know marches and protests wont make a blind bit of difference, I admire them for standing up for themselves/those less fortunate.

totally disagree. these people should drop the chip on both shoulders and put their energy into going to work, doing a hard honest days work , learning on the job. with the right atitude any person can be as successful as they like. its entirely down to attitude and morality

[the truth]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

So just because we are not as poor as the African countries means that we can't complain when the ***** in charge of this country target the poor, target the disabled, and target anyone that isn't Upper Class.

Then don't forget the other stuff that the twats have messed up even bigger than Labour even could like sacking a load of Police Officers.

hopefully this government will at leas ensure the benefits go to the sick, disabled and elderly care

the other scroungers should get nothing if theyre healthy enough to work

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bobnot

They just blame that on the previous goverment like they always have done it gets so tiresome.
The global recession is labours fault according to the torys.

labour were a disaster too lets face it. they were way too close to bush, that was their biggest downfall

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by the truth

hopefully this government will at leas ensure the benefits go to the sick, disabled and elderly care

the other scroungers should get nothing if theyre healthy enough to work

But tbf it's hard to get a job as millions are unemployed, im not saying that some aren't just lazy bastards hoping to live off the benefits for the rest of there lives but not all are like that.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

hopefully this government will at leas ensure the benefits go to the sick, disabled and elderly care

the other scroungers should get nothing if theyre healthy enough to work

This almost sounds as if you are saying everyone who is unlucky enough to be unemployed at the moment (who is not sick) is a scrounger. A bit of an odd statement considering how many firms are laying people off, and how many big companies are closing down.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

But tbf it's hard to get a job as millions are unemployed, im not saying that some aren't just lazy bastards hoping to live off the benefits for the rest of there lives but not all are like that.

Spot on, also a lot of jobs now are part time and those jobs still in more cases than not require some benefits still to be paid.

As I have said and many others have to, there are around 500,000 vacancies at best in the Country at present, there are still 2.5 million unemployed, that is the unemployed not the sick and disabled figures included.
You cannot get 2.5 million into 0.5 million, no matter how hard you try, you need the massive rise in vacancies to then be able to even try to do more to sort that one out.

That is the problem with this Govts policies.
Companies now are also cutting hours from their staffs original hours, by 2 to 3 hours here and there,thereby invoking more financial burdens even on people working.

Of course there are people who likely work the system and yes even scrounge,I hold the view they are not anywhere like in the quantity that the Govt and the Media suggest however but it is right they are weeded out of the system.
It is odd though too, that many benefits set up for people go unclaimed year on year, likely because people don't know about them. You never hear the Govt putting in stronger measures to find those people and make sure those people get those benefits though, yet it is a fact they are not getting paid to the people who they are there for.

It is easy to demonise the people seen as the lowest in society with all sorts of they do this and they do that just wasting money comments but I still,in my opinion, believe the scroungers are far more a minority than anywhere being the majority of the lowest paid or those on benefits.
I am actually appalled at the way this Govt and the Lib Dems in particular are allowing such demonisation of those at the very lower end of the scale.

Like George Osborne at the Conservative conference, saying somethimg daft like on the lines of, 'think of the early shift worker going out to work and seeing the curtains and blinds drawn of those likely on benefits'.

Not everyone is on early shifts anyway,what a crazy statement to make, when we are all out, (we are students), we close the blinds.The house next door to us, both the husband and wife work, they have all their curtains and blinds closed until they come in too.
This man is the Chancellor for goodness sake and he got applauded for making such a ridiculous statement.

As I said, it is easy to set out to demonise and wrongly in my view too, those at the lower end of the financial scale in society.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

But tbf it's hard to get a job as millions are unemployed, im not saying that some aren't just lazy bastards hoping to live off the benefits for the rest of there lives but not all are like that.

rubbish there is always work, these people turn down work all the time. they are lazy and lack self respect and ambition. Ive cleaned toilets, ive done caring, Ive crawled to work with both legs in plaster , these workless chavs are bigger snobs than landed gentry. they want designer clothes, booze, fags, meow meow, chasing women all day long. yet expect us hard working people to pay for it. if youre fit and healthy you should get NOTHING AT ALL. GO TO WORK

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This almost sounds as if you are saying everyone who is unlucky enough to be unemployed at the moment (who is not sick) is a scrounger. A bit of an odd statement considering how many firms are laying people off, and how many big companies are closing down.

EVERYONE who is healthy enough to work and doesnt, is a scronger, period.
there is always work. they just keep turning it down.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

EVERYONE who is healthy enough to work and doesnt, is a scronger, period.
there is always work. they just keep turning it down.

Really? Last figures I saw a month or so ago said there were nearly 3m unemployed, and only 500k vacancies. Unless we can force each of these vacancies to take on 6 people instead of 1, then saying that its just people turning work down cant be true.

Also, as I said earlier, when my dad in law advertised a job (only 8 hours a week) he got over 150 applicants. But sure...these people who are actually trying to get work dont exist and everyone unemployed is just a scrounger

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Really? Last figures I saw a month or so ago said there were nearly 3m unemployed, and only 500k vacancies. Unless we can force each of these vacancies to take on 6 people instead of 1, then saying that its just people turning work down cant be true.

Also, as I said earlier, when my dad in law advertised a job (only 8 hours a week) he got over 150 applicants. But sure...these people who are actually trying to get work dont exist and everyone unemployed is just a scrounger

everyone healthy who isnt working is a scrounger, period....you can apply for driving badges, psv license, de , bus licenses, forklift, taxi lcense costs around Ł80 and takes just 3 weeks, then rent a taxi or go work for a firm, theres always vacancies... theres . I have vacancies advertised every day, the applicants are mind biggling, the majority immediately refuse to work weekends, many refuse to work nights, some refuse to pick up people off the streets, others refuse to drive vehicles over 5 years old, the list goes on and on...Ive even had some apply for driving jobs, who have no drivers licsense

the official figure of 500,000 is the number of full time jobs officially advertised, many of these companies have multiple vacancies and most always have exta jobs for part time vacancies..

theres a million and one other ways too to get work, turn up at restaiurants, hotels, garages, small businesses, speak to the bosses direct. that extra effort impresses bosses and shows this person is serious and is ambitious to work.

if i was desperate for work Id get a part time job doing anything, caring jobs are rife, theres loads of vacancies, especially weekend work, these jobs are rife....you can clean, care, you can offer garden clearance, old people everywhere struggle with the endless rules of rubbish disposal, gardening work too, removal work, all you need is an empty van.....you could even just turn up at a valet centre and offer yourself....if you need income you will do anything.....these workless chavs always seem to find money for booze and cigarettes and many drug deal too....their priorities are a disgrace...they need to stop hiding behind excuses and blaming everyone else...they need to find some self respect and ambition and go to work

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

everyone healthy who isnt working is a scrounger, period....you can apply for driving badges, psv license, de , bus licenses, forklift, taxi lcense costs around Ł80 and takes just 3 weeks, then rent a taxi or go work for a firm, theres always vacancies... theres . I have vacancies advertised every day, the applicants are mind biggling, the majority immediately refuse to work weekends, many refuse to work nights, some refuse to pick up people off the streets, others refuse to drive vehicles over 5 years old, the list goes on and on...Ive even had some apply for driving jobs, who have no drivers licsense

the official figure of 500,000 is the number of full time jobs officially advertised, many of these companies have multiple vacancies and most always have exta jobs for part time vacancies..

theres a million and one other ways too to get work, turn up at restaiurants, hotels, garages, small businesses, speak to the bosses direct. that extra effort impresses bosses and shows this person is serious and is ambitious to work.

if i was desperate for work Id get a part time job doing anything, caring jobs are rife, theres loads of vacancies, especially weekend work, these jobs are rife....you can clean, care, you can offer garden clearance, old people everywhere struggle with the endless rules of rubbish disposal, gardening work too, removal work, all you need is an empty van.....you could even just turn up at a valet centre and offer yourself....if you need income you will do anything.....these workless chavs always seem to find money for booze and cigarettes and many drug deal too....their priorities are a disgrace...they need to stop hiding behind excuses and blaming everyone else...they need to find some self respect and ambition and go to work

Yeah I was really trying to take your post seriously(despite it being very very wrong, even the government admit theres not enough jobs out there for all unemployed, and its not easy to find Ł80 from nowhere when you recieve only Ł71 per week to live on either) until I got to this bit. If this is how you see all unemployed people then theres really nothing left to discuss here tbh.

All I can say is I am ****ing grateful that I have a job right now, I would hate to be trying to find work with how things are currently, and with people like you with horrible attitudes towards those who genuinely want to work, just because of the actions of a minority who get splashed all over the rags as if to prove that all benefit claimants sit in the pub all say smoking, drinking and taking drugs.

Also, just to add

the official figure of 500,000 is the number of full time jobs officially advertised, many of these companies have multiple vacancies and most always have exta jobs for part time vacancies..

this is utterly false. The 500k figure includes the new ridiculous concept of 0 hour contracts, and commision only work, aswell as part time vacancies that could be as little as 1hr a week.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the truth

everyone healthy who isnt working is a scrounger, period....you can apply for driving badges, psv license, de , bus licenses, forklift, taxi lcense costs around Ł80 and takes just 3 weeks, then rent a taxi or go work for a firm, theres always vacancies... theres . I have vacancies advertised every day, the applicants are mind biggling, the majority immediately refuse to work weekends, many refuse to work nights, some refuse to pick up people off the streets, others refuse to drive vehicles over 5 years old, the list goes on and on...Ive even had some apply for driving jobs, who have no drivers licsense

the official figure of 500,000 is the number of full time jobs officially advertised, many of these companies have multiple vacancies and most always have exta jobs for part time vacancies..

theres a million and one other ways too to get work, turn up at restaiurants, hotels, garages, small businesses, speak to the bosses direct. that extra effort impresses bosses and shows this person is serious and is ambitious to work.

if i was desperate for work Id get a part time job doing anything, caring jobs are rife, theres loads of vacancies, especially weekend work, these jobs are rife....you can clean, care, you can offer garden clearance, old people everywhere struggle with the endless rules of rubbish disposal, gardening work too, removal work, all you need is an empty van.....you could even just turn up at a valet centre and offer yourself....if you need income you will do anything.....these workless chavs always seem to find money for booze and cigarettes and many drug deal too....their priorities are a disgrace...they need to stop hiding behind excuses and blaming everyone else...they need to find some self respect and ambition and go to work

Is this member for real? I've not been on here that much in recent months to know the backstory...but...is this serious? Surely not?

From the few posts I've read from this 'the truth' member it seems like 'the bullsh*t' would be a more apt username than anything else. It's like Pyramid, WOMBAI and ElProximo all rolled into one. I'm dumbfounded at the sheer ignorance of most of these posts. Just...wow.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Is this member for real? I've not been on here that much in recent months to know the backstory...but...is this serious? Surely not?

From the few posts I've read from this 'the truth' member it seems like 'the bullsh*t' would be a more apt username than anything else. It's like Pyramid, WOMBAI and ElProximo all rolled into one. I'm dumbfounded at the sheer ignorance of most of these posts. Just...wow.

yes 100% real I employ a lot of people and this is the real world. its not a cosy politically correct liberal world where everyone can blame the government. In the real world, employers are under phenomenal pressure to pay their bills, their wages, to meet everyone contract to keep the thousands of customers happy, because these days people like to complain about everything.. The truth is vast majority of these people who apply for jobs are plain lazy and lack ambition. Thats why they only stick at a job for a few weeks or months before qutting and going back to benefits...Thats my 25 years of business experience, employing 100s of people, which I dare say is an experience you do not have....that is the truth and these people need to hear the truth, or theyll remain in the benefits cycle forever, its something called tough love

[Kizzy]

The truth not all people can drive..
If you are unemployed how could you afford to tax, insure, MOT and buy diesel/ petrol for these vehicles?
Not to mention the costs involved with applying for these licences you mentioned.
Please tell me, are you serious in your views? You seem to have ignored all the facts given by joey and vicky appearing to make up your own statistics.

I'm not surprised you think as you do, that all those on JSA are scroungers as that is how they are portrayed in the media.
However to suggest that most jobseekers are criminal is insulting as well as wrong!

[joeysteele]

I often agree with the truth on a lot of things but not on this one I'm afraid. The picture he is painting does not appear like anything I have found,however if he is able to offer so many jobs,good on him for that.
I am however against this demonising of the unemployed and those on sickness/disabled benefits too whether that comes from individuals, Companies or Govt.

For me that is what is greatly wrong with this Govt, who despite all its current measures as to sorting out the unemployment problem,still has even its own official and also the independent assessments of the facts stating that the vacancies are simply not there at the present time and are not likely to be for many years to come at least too.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I often agree with the truth on a lot of things but not on this one I'm afraid. The picture he is painting does not appear like anything I have found,however if he is able to offer so many jobs,good on him for that.
I am however against this demonising of the unemployed and those on sickness/disabled benefits too whether that comes from individuals, Companies or Govt.

For me that is what is greatly wrong with this Govt, who despite all its current measures as to sorting out the unemployment problem,still has even its own official and also the independent assessments of the facts stating that the vacancies are simply not there at the present time and are not likely to be for many years to come at least too.

Hi Joey

Please do not let these other posters try and twist what I am saying into something else.

sick , disabled and elderly deserve benefits and more benefits. the healthy people who turn down jobs, deserve no benefits at all.

thats my position

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

still has even its own official and also the independent assessments of the facts stating that the vacancies are simply not there at the present time and are not likely to be for many years to come at least too.

Exactly. The jobs arent there, but lets penalize people for not getting them anyway seems to be the motto.

The government figures are more likely to be generous with the number of jobs currently available...to try and push this 'scrounger' agenda that they have going on, so if anyone thinks that the figures are wrong, if anything there are less jobs than we are being told about, not more.