[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by SharkAttack

Tie them up and make them watch BB with me. Force them to call long-distance to get those votes in! Probably give them **** rations too.

More seriously, we're civilized mammals with the ability to discern right from wrong. Killing isn't civilized, it's more in the realm of animals, and wartime. We might fight or cower, depending on the circumstance. I'd like to think I could defend my family if events went that far, and I'd like to think I could spare someone if it wasn't wholly necessary.

I don't believe anyone can answer this question honestly until they've been placed in a horrible situation. And let's hope we never find that out.

Great point!
Fight or flight is a reflex action, I don't believe it's possible anyone would have a clue what they would do.
In a survival situation it wouldn't be a conscious decision.

I could crush a dirty Jew.

[Livia]

I would be interested to know whether people's ideals might be changed if someone close to them was killed through the violent actions of another. And at the same time, I hope no one on here is ever in the position to know for sure.

Originally Posted by Livia

I would be interested to know whether people's ideals might be changed if someone close to them was killed through the violent actions of another. And at the same time, I hope no one on here is ever in the position to know for sure.

No. I would never undertake killing as an act of revenge. The only situation I could envisage killing someone (apart from my tours in 'nam), is if someone broke into my family home and threatened my future wife/children, and it turned into self defence/protection.

Killing for revenge is barbaric and unsatisfying.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

No. I would never undertake killing as an act of revenge. The only situation I could envisage killing someone (apart from my tours in 'nam), is if someone broke into my family home and threatened my future wife/children, and it turned into self defence/protection.

Killing for revenge is barbaric and unsatisfying.

Have you ever lost someone through the violent act of another person?

Originally Posted by Livia

Have you ever lost someone through the violent act of another person?

No I haven't. Whilst desire for revenge is understandable, the act itself doesn't actually achieve anything, and only regresses us as a species.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

No I haven't. Whilst desire for revenge is understandable, the act itself doesn't actually achieve anything, and only regresses us as a species.

Well, a year and a half ago I might have agreed with you. The people I refer to are walking around this world, living their life, having children, suiting themselves... and if I had the chance I would rip out their hearts with my bare hands for what they took from me. If that regresses me as a member of the human race in some people's eyes, then I can live with that. I hope those people can continue to feel morally superior and never get the chance to find out how they would react in my position.

And actually, I don't kill insects or animals either.

[AnnieK]

I struggle to kill insects let alone people BUT I guess if it was a choice between a stranger and my son then I hope I could, but would rather lay my own life on the line and save him, but I just hope I never have to face that situation and test what I would do

Originally Posted by anniek76

I struggle to kill insects let alone people BUT I guess if it was a choice between a stranger and my son then I hope I could, but would rather lay my own life on the line and save him, but I just hope I never have to face that situation and test what I would do

I'm exactly the same. Everything gets caught and put outside. I had mice in an old shared house I lived in, so I set up traps to catch them, then I drove about 10 miles away to set them free in a field.

[Livia]

I was answering this from my own viewpoint... don't make with the sad faces, I have decided I'm not going to kill anyone on here! x

[Marcus.]

i would never to that

[Tom4784]

No, I couldn't knowingly kill someone.

[Kazanne]

I agree with Livia on this I have had people murdered in our family and it's something most people would seek revenge for.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I agree with Livia on this I have had people murdered in our family and it's something most people would seek revenge for.

So truly sorry to hear of such a tragic event in your family kazanne.
I can understand the painful destructive feelings that you would get, my father was mugged a year before his death.... I wanted their heads on a spike believe me!
But In reality, would I be capable of the act? Would another part of me take over in a situation where I had to defend loved ones?
For me it would be impossible to say. I appreciate we can only speak for ourselves though.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So truly sorry to hear of such a tragic event in your family kazanne.
I can understand the painful destructive feelings that you would get, my father was mugged a year before his death.... I wanted their heads on a spike believe me!
But In reality, would I be capable of the act? Would another part of me take over in a situation where I had to defend loved ones?
For me it would be impossible to say. I appreciate we can only speak for ourselves though.

Thankyou Kizzy and although time fades things,those involved live it over and over,and sometimes I have wished the culprits dead,isn't that awful?but that is how I feel,I really try not to but I just know if I came across them I would go for them,whether I would kill them ,I dont now all i know is I would probably give a whoop of delight if I heard of any of them were dead,I just cannot forgive,which is ironic really as I hate cruelty and violence in any shape or form and am quite a peaceful person,I probably haven't worded that too well,but I know you will know what I mean.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Thankyou Kizzy and although time fades things,those involved live it over and over,and sometimes I have wished the culprits dead,isn't that awful?but that is how I feel,I really try not to but I just know if I came across them I would go for them,whether I would kill them ,I dont now all i know is I would probably give a whoop of delight if I heard of any of them were dead,I just cannot forgive,which is ironic really as I hate cruelty and violence in any shape or form and am quite a peaceful person,I probably haven't worded that too well,but I know you will know what I mean.

You expressed yourself beautifully kazanne
I don't for a second think that your feelings on this come from a bad place far from it.
Speaking personally it's not so much about being avenged, it's a feeling of injustice.
I can totally understand the feeling of relief if you discovered the killer was dead, as it would go some way to restoring the balance.
Anger, frustration and grief when manifested are powerful emotions, we can wish death on those who deserve it, but to act on those feelings ourselves is rare.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You expressed yourself beautifully kazanne
I don't for a second think that your feelings on this come from a bad place far from it.
Speaking personally it's not so much about being avenged, it's a feeling of injustice.
I can totally understand the feeling of relief if you discovered the killer was dead, as it would go some way to restoring the balance.
Anger, frustration and grief when manifested are powerful emotions, we can wish death on those who deserve it, but to act on those feelings ourselves is rare.

Thanks for understanding Kizzy,I worry about how I feel myself sometimes

[Petershaw1984]

il explain myself a bit better. if someone had hurt my wife or kids then in the spur of the moment i would kill. and by hurt i dont mean fist fights etc i mean horrible horriblethings such as the gang pf men have been doing to those poor girls. that would drive me to murder

[Marcus.]

Originally Posted by Petershaw1984

il explain myself a bit better. if someone had hurt my wife or kids then in the spur of the moment i would kill. and by hurt i dont mean fist fights etc i mean horrible horriblethings such as the gang pf men have been doing to those poor girls. that would drive me to murder

ok i could not sill

[Petershaw1984]

im truly sorry to hear that some of our forum members have experienced terrible things in their life, my intention in making this thread was not ment as a way of gloryfying murder it was simply to see if members would be able to kill as an act of revenge in extreme circumstances.

sorry.

[Ammi]

..this is like one of those hypothetical moral dilemmas because no one can ever know for sure unless they were actually in that situation...we know what we think we would do because we’re rationalising with a calm mind and we believe we know what we're capable of, but it’s not until that mind is thrown into chaos that we would find out how far we would go to protect our own lives or the life of someone we loved..I believe that most people could kill in certain circumstances because it would be an instinct and not a conscious action...if someone was taking the life of a loved one right before their eyes..if there was a loaded gun in their hand and all they had to do was pull a trigger and their loved one would be safe...I couldn’t say that I couldn’t do that, pulling a trigger doesn’t seem like too hard a thing to do, compared to someone extinguishing the life of someone I love dearly...what I don’t know and hope I never will is if I actually would do it.....

[Petershaw1984]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..this is like one of those hypothetical moral dilemmas because no one can ever know for sure unless they were actually in that situation...we know what we think we would do because we’re rationalising with a calm mind and we believe we know what we're capable of, but it’s not until that mind is thrown into chaos that we would find out how far we would go to protect our own lives or the life of someone we loved..I believe that most people could kill in certain circumstances because it would be an instinct and not a conscious action...if someone was taking the life of a loved one right before their eyes..if there was a loaded gun in their hand and all they had to do was pull a trigger and their loved one would be safe...I couldn’t say that I couldn’t do that, pulling a trigger doesn’t seem like too hard a thing to do, compared to someone extinguishing the life of someone I love dearly...what I don’t know and hope I never will is if I actually would do it.....

winner of the best post ever.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Petershaw1984

im truly sorry to hear that some of our forum members have experienced terrible things in their life, my intention in making this thread was not ment as a way of gloryfying murder it was simply to see if members would be able to kill as an act of revenge in extreme circumstances.

sorry.

Please dont be sorry it was an interesting thread.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Petershaw1984

im truly sorry to hear that some of our forum members have experienced terrible things in their life, my intention in making this thread was not ment as a way of gloryfying murder it was simply to see if members would be able to kill as an act of revenge in extreme circumstances.

sorry.

If the justice system worked better I don't think that I would want to kill the killer/sex offender, but if an injustice happened then I think I would become a vigilante as I would want justice for the person I knew/know, if that makes me a bad person in some people's eyes then fair enough, but I don't think many people would behave differently in those situations imo.

[thesheriff443]

well,i have shot someone and was arrested for attempted murder,so i know what its like to do what the thread ask's,its not big or clever,you have to live with your action's which is not alway's easy.