[arista]

{files provided by Edward Snowden illustrate
the scale of co-operation between Silicon Valley
and the intelligence agencies over the last three years.
They also shed new light on the workings of
the top-secret Prism program,
which was disclosed by the Guardian and the Washington Post last month.}

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...tion-user-data

[billy123]

It drives me up the ****ing wall when people try to justify the invasion of privacy and the basic human rights of a person in the name of the imaginary war on terror.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bobnot

It drives me up the ****ing wall when people try to justify the invasion of privacy and the basic human rights of a person in the name of the imaginary war on terror.

Yes The War is America making it with Drone
Attacks all over the World.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes The War is America making it with Drone
Attacks all over the World.

The definition of terror:
Violence committed or threatened by a group to intimidate or coerce a population, as for military or political purposes.

Thats what drone attacks do.
The US need to stop and the UK need to get their tongue out of their arses.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by bobnot

It drives me up the ****ing wall when people try to justify the invasion of privacy and the basic human rights of a person in the name of the imaginary war on terror.

But what's the alternative. Don't monitor what people are doing on the net?

[billy123]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

But what's the alternative. Don't monitor what people are doing on the net?

They cant treat people like terrorists just to catch the tiny tiny few that are.

Trillions are spent on "The war on terror" despite the facts.


– You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack

– You are 12,571 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack

— You are 11,000 times more likely to die in an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane

— You are 1048 times more likely to die from a car accident than from a terrorist attack

–You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack

— You are 87 times more likely to drown than die in a terrorist attack

– You are 13 times more likely to die in a railway accident than from a terrorist attack

–You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack

–You are 9 times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack

–You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist

–You are 8 times more likely to die from accidental electrocution than from a terrorist attack

– You are 6 times more likely to die from hot weather than from a terrorist attack

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2013/04...han-terrorism/

Imagine if that money was spent on the top two of that list.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by bobnot

They cant treat people like terrorists just to catch the tiny tiny few that are.

Trillions are spent on "The war on terror" despite the facts.


– You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack

– You are 12,571 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack

— You are 11,000 times more likely to die in an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane

— You are 1048 times more likely to die from a car accident than from a terrorist attack

–You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack

— You are 87 times more likely to drown than die in a terrorist attack

– You are 13 times more likely to die in a railway accident than from a terrorist attack

–You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack

–You are 9 times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack

–You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist

–You are 8 times more likely to die from accidental electrocution than from a terrorist attack

– You are 6 times more likely to die from hot weather than from a terrorist attack

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2013/04...han-terrorism/

Imagine if that money was spent on the top two of that list.

But spying on a person is different from treating them like a terrorist.

I don't think if american stopped spending money on defence that it would go into fighting illness. The US is not some altruistic country, it's a business.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

But spying on a person is different from treating them like a terrorist.

I don't think if american stopped spending money on defence that it would go into fighting illness. The US is not some altruistic country, it's a business.

Then what is wrong in a citizen spying on its elected goverment if its ok for an elected goverment to spy on its citizens?

Nobody suggested the money would be spent on those things.

I feel sad that we have reached a point where people dont object to their rights being infringed.

Jesus has a way of putting it far more politely than i can.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Then what is wrong in a citizen spying on its elected goverment if its ok for an elected goverment to spy on its citizens?

Nobody suggested the money would be spent on those things.

I feel sad that we have reached a point where people dont object to their rights being infringed.

Jesus has a way of putting it far more politely than i can.

But what rights are being infringed? If an organisation can sift through all the online info and then figure out who is against their country, what is so wrong with that?

And I've no objection with people monitoring the activities of government. But a government wouldn't be able to function if everything they had to do was cleared by some court. I think it's a necessity that they're able to go above the law if need be.

[Novo]

Comrades

[Nedusa]

"The owners of this country know the truth: It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."

George Carlin.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Well those prisons are run by private corporations, not the state, which means they have shareholders and lobbyists. That's why they are the country that imprisons more of it's own citizens than nearly any other country on earth. Prisons are big business, which in itself is a pretty disgusting thing in my opinion. There is one state that has a 3 strikes and you're out rule, which means if you are convicted of any number of offences 3 times, you'll get a mandatory life sentence. Possession of marijuana 3 times equals a life sentence. Yet the prisons have lobbyists paying money to people in government to prevent these laws from being changed. The system is rigged massively.

America spends more on defence than the next 13 countries below them. Combined. Besides, the Bush government knew all about OBL's plot, they just didn't take it seriously enough. That was without all the currently fashionable spying and wiretapping. You can still defend the country, just without having to watch every individual in order to do so.

I agree that the system is rigged against people who chose to not live by the society's laws. edit: I guess a flaw might be the way an organisation who's main interest is profit and punishment is in control.

And I think America underestimated how radical and insane these people who hate them are. I don't think America will make the same mistake again.

Originally Posted by Nedusa

"The owners of this country know the truth: It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."

George Carlin.

That's the thing this Snowden guy must have been dreaming. He seemed to not realise what his own country was up to, maybe he believed in some dreamland america. And he went and joined two spy organisations and was shocked to find out that they spied on people

[arista]

SkyNewHD Live

Ed is asking Russia for Temp. Stay Visa
until he can get to South America in a safe way.
He fears American CIA will Kill him.

[arista]

Snowden 'Allowed To Leave Moscow Airport'


http://news.sky.com/story/1119814/sn...moscow-airport


Meaning he can move from the Airport
into Russia
while 3 months paper works could be worked out

[arista]

He has left the airport
around 90mins ago.

Wikileaks Org are helping him go to a Secret Location
in Russia.

Ref : FoxNewsHD, SkyNewsHD , BBC, CNN

[Z]

I'm convinced he'll end up being assassinated quietly many years down the line when he thinks the heat has been called off on him. The best way for him to ensure his own security is to keep his name in the media. The USA are not just going to let the matter drop.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zee

I'm convinced he'll end up being assassinated quietly many years down the line when he thinks the heat has been called off on him. The best way for him to ensure his own security is to keep his name in the media. The USA are not just going to let the matter drop.

Not While in Russia
that would look wrong.


As for many years ahead
depends the nation he is in,
and if its a Secret Building he is in
maybe never.

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

Not While in Russia
that would look wrong.


As for many years ahead
depends the nation he is in,
and if its a Secret Building he is in
maybe never.

Didn't stop Alexander Litvinenko being mysteriously murdered. If they want to do it, they'll get away with it - there will come a point when Russia will want or need something that the USA can provide and the death of Edward Snowden will be part of a trade between them, I'm convinced of it. The USA prides itself on always getting their man - Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden being two particularly high profile examples in recent years. Perhaps he won't be assassinated but they will capture him eventually...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zee

Didn't stop Alexander Litvinenko being mysteriously murdered. If they want to do it, they'll get away with it - there will come a point when Russia will want or need something that the USA can provide and the death of Edward Snowden will be part of a trade between them, I'm convinced of it. The USA prides itself on always getting their man - Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden being two particularly high profile examples in recent years. Perhaps he won't be assassinated but they will capture him eventually...

Yes but that was KGB Sub Contractors

Russia was on the Files that Snowden put in public
so he is a Top man to them.
Russia now has that on USA as tracking Russian Business
and it had no right to.


The USA President called him a Hacker
he is not going after him.
The Next President may be on Snowdens side

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but that was KGB Sub Contractors

Russia was on the Files that Snowden put in public
so he is a Top man to them.
Russia now has that on USA as tracking Russian Business
and it had no right to.


The USA President called him a Hacker
he is not going after him.
The Next President may be on Snowdens side

Russia had a spy ring in the USA that was deported not that long ago, names like Vicky Pelaez mean anything to you? They're both at it and I'm sure they both spy on plenty of other countries. "KGB sub-contractors" yeah sure...

They aren't officially going to do it and however it's done it will be done on the quiet and it will probably never be possible to trace it back to them but either they are going to extradite him or they are going to have him taken care of. Depends on whether or not he'll make good on his threat to leak more info about the US government and whether or not he'd be termed a security risk. The US does drone strikes on terrorist training camps; there is nothing stopping them from acting first and answering questions later.

[CaudleHalbard]

An unfortunate and inexplicable car accident - as happened recently to a journalist who was getting a bit closer to the truth than the US security services liked.

That may be Snowden's ultimate fate...........

[arista]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

An unfortunate and inexplicable car accident - as happened recently to a journalist who was getting a bit closer to the truth than the US security services liked.

That may be Snowden's ultimate fate...........

Yes perfect for a Spy Film


He will not need to leave his grounds
which is not tracked.


He has the Wikileaks Org
helping his every move

[Ninastar]

He leaked military files which contain info regarding saftey, terrorism and much more... What he did was not great at all.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

He leaked military files which contain info regarding saftey, terrorism and much more... What he did was not great at all.

But the USA president calls him a Hacker.

He leaked far more important Files about Russia and the UK.


Fecking Americans
Spying on Private people - Illegal