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MTVN · 22-07-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick

As if the monarchy will even exist past the next decade.

Well it definitely will

arista · 22-07-2013, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It will be our future king or queen, so is of some importance, I guess.

By the time he/she comes to the throne, we may have got fed up with politicians and gone back to a proper monarchy!

No they would have far less say
in the Future.

Patrick · 22-07-2013, 01:45 PM

Who the hell gives two ******s?

Seriously wish England would end it's obsession with the Royal Family, they're irrelevant.

arista · 22-07-2013, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick

Who the hell gives two ******s?

Seriously wish England would end it's obsession with the Royal Family, they're irrelevant.

No Pat - young youtube movie maker
Its a Industry
Billions of mugs are standing by for printing
From UK to China.

Look at the Big Picture - for a change

CaudleHalbard · 22-07-2013, 01:50 PM

Quite a few countries in the EU are monarchies. It's either that or an elected president, i.e another politician... there is no enthusiasm for that in the UK.

The Americans are more fascinated by our royal family than we are.

CaudleHalbard · 22-07-2013, 01:59 PM

It had been said the Royal Family is one of the UK's profitable businesses. Why would we want to get rid of it?

Sam:) · 22-07-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It had been said the Royal Family is one of the UK's profitable businesses. Why would we want to get rid of it?

Because everyones sick of listening to stuck up ***** going on about how they're outdated monarchy is amazing, nobody with a brain gives a flying ****. Honestly if you're excited about someone you don't know, whos done absaloutly nothing having a baby you need to sit down and have a long hard luck at your life

CaudleHalbard · 22-07-2013, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Honestly if you're excited about someone you don't know, whos done absaloutly nothing

Indeed, so we watch Big Brother instead...........

.............. oh, wait......... !

Sam:) · 22-07-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Indeed, so we watch Big Brother instead...........

.............. oh, wait......... !

Big Brothers a tv show, you get to know the people where as you know nothing about the royals and once BB is over you pretty much forget them.

LikeABoatOnWater · 22-07-2013, 02:15 PM

CaudleHalbard · 22-07-2013, 02:21 PM

I don't spend any time at all thinking about the royal family.

A lot of it is media-driven.

Sam:) · 22-07-2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I don't spend any time at all thinking about the royal family.

A lot of it is media-driven.

Sorry, I wasn't aiming it at you. I was talking about in general. Btw shouldnt this be in celebrity news

CaudleHalbard · 22-07-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam:)

Sorry, I wasn't aiming it at you. I was talking about in general. Btw shouldnt this be in celebrity news

I know you weren't. What I meant is that the public's interest in them is, to a significant extent, media-driven.

MTVN · 22-07-2013, 02:29 PM

Or is the media interest public driven? Look at the thousands of people who turned up at the various jubilee events last year, support for a republic has never been so low in recent decades as it is now

22-07-2013, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Or is the media interest public driven? Look at the thousands of people who turned up at the various jubilee events last year, support for a republic has never been so low in recent decades as it is now

Pure speculation on my part, but couldn't that be linked to the financial state of the country? Just as the nationalistic right always does well in times of hardship, maybe patriotism also does well?

I'd prefer a republic, and just as an impotent monarchy is better than a ruling one, no monarchy is better than an impotent one.

CaudleHalbard · 22-07-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.

no monarchy is better than an impotent one.

I wouldn't underestimate the influence of the queen on prime ministers who have had to go and explain themselves to her every Tuesday........ for the last 60 years!

She had a wealth of experience and, from what I have read, these meetings are not just a formality. She is obliged to remain politically neutral, which no politician ever is.

Logically there is no justification for people holding positions by reason of birth. But it happens in many spheres of life, including business. The system works, which is why there is little appetite for changing it.

22-07-2013, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I wouldn't underestimate the influence of the queen on prime ministers who have had to go and explain themselves to her every Tuesday........ for the last 60 years!

She had a wealth of experience and, from what I have read, these meetings are not just a formality. She is obliged to remain politically neutral, which no politician ever is.

Logically there is no justification for people holding positions by reason of birth. But it happens in many spheres of life, including business. The system works, which is why there is little appetite for changing it.

I would. Politicians wouldn't give a **** about explaining themselves to the queen. They're more worried about explaining themselves to their lobbyist paymasters.

CaudleHalbard · 22-07-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.

I would. Politicians wouldn't give a **** about explaining themselves to the queen. They're more worried about explaining themselves to their lobbyist paymasters.

Politicians of all parties have said how nervous they are about these meetings.

You can always choose another paymaster (as Blair did) but you can't choose your queen!

MTVN · 22-07-2013, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.

Pure speculation on my part, but couldn't that be linked to the financial state of the country? Just as the nationalistic right always does well in times of hardship, maybe patriotism also does well?

I'd prefer a republic, and just as an impotent monarchy is better than a ruling one, no monarchy is better than an impotent one.

Well I'd say it's a bit different, it could be linked to it but only really in that Royal events provide a welcome distraction in the same way that things like major sporting events do, whereas the nationalist right makes gain because of disillusion with conventional politics and people looking for alternative governance

22-07-2013, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Well I'd say it's a bit different, it could be linked to it but only really in that Royal events provide a welcome distraction in the same way that things like major sporting events do, whereas the nationalist right makes gain because of disillusion with conventional politics and people looking for alternative governance

Yeah, you could be right. I suppose from my own biased republican ideals, I just find it difficult to understand why anyone would be a monarchist.

The nationalistic right also makes gains by separating groups and denigrating "the other" in society. My point was more linked to the queen/royal family being a symbolic figurehead for people to rail behind that is more of a subtle nationalism.

I think it's pure speculation on my part though, and as you said republicanism had been declining for decades, that sort of pisses on my chips.

CaudleHalbard · 22-07-2013, 02:33 PM

In the year Diana died the monarchy was so unpopular, people were saying it wouldn't last beyond the current monarch.

They have made an amazing recovery from that. The media has played its part.

jackc1806 · 22-07-2013, 02:36 PM

Why are Sky News talking to people in an NHS ward, they'll have a massive private room with a whole team of people whilst they have a bed with a curtain and one midwife who visits every so often