[Braden]

Well let's not forget that Callum has "straight friends, gay friends and bi friends."

[MatthewS]

This thread isn't about Dexter vs Callum, it's about Callums bio. Do you think it's homophobic or not if someone makes a claim about not liking overtly camp gay people.

[Jords]

I know gay people who dont like overly camp men and women, its not homophobic. Also Callum was just being a bit more specific to the type of sexual assault it would be.

And top this argument off, have you seen the way Callum flirts about with the twins?

[Jords]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

This thread isn't about Dexter vs Callum, it's about Callums bio. Do you think it's homophobic or not if someone makes a claim about not liking overtly camp gay people.

Not homophobic just a bit ignorant with his wording. Im sure he would not like overly camp straight people also. Its a personality thing rather than a sexuality thing.

[MatthewS]

I think its entirely possible he worded it incorrectly, or without thinking. If he simply said he doesn't get on with overtly camp people, I can't really see how anyone could think theirs anything wrong with a statement like that. However, when you specifically mention a particular sexual orientation and attach a negative connotation to it, it just opens the doors for speculation.

[Rawrbear]

He could of said Overly camp people. But anyway. "“very good looks” as all the attention will be on him" LMFAO!

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

This thread isn't about Dexter vs Callum, it's about Callums bio. Do you think it's homophobic or not if someone makes a claim about not liking overtly camp gay people.

Well i don't mind if someone's gay,I'm not homophobic but i don't like overly camp people either,They annoy me.They sound ridiculous and you don't need to "act" like that just you're gay.Plenty of gay men don't.Callum is perfectly entitled to not like camp men without being labelled homophobic.

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

•Full Name: Callum Knell
•Age: 28
•Starsign: Scorpio
•Status: Single
•Home: Maidstone
•Job: Primary school sports coach

About Callum

An engaging and confident ladies’ man, Callum claims that others in the house would get annoyed by his “very good looks” as all the attention will be on him. He likes an argument but doesn’t like very religious or overly camp gay people. He’s cheeky and admits to never saying sorry as he never regrets anything – and calls himself “the full package”.

Callum currently works as a children’s football coach. He really enjoys it because of all the attention and praise he receives from the parents. Callum started his professional life as a lifeguard and did the job for four years whilst at school and university. During this job he claims to have saved nineteen people’s lives – but that’s not it – Callum has saved other people’s lives outside of the job – making it a total of 28 lives saved. He admits that part of the reason he does it is for the praise and attention. He likes to be a hero.

He is very opinionated and says there is nothing better than having a good argument. He believes his ‘trump card’ is his intelligence and says he can often belittle people with his words.
Whilst coaching in America, he ended up sleeping with a mother and daughter and thinks this gives him serious “man points”. Callum isn’t looking for love in the house but says he is definitely looking to ‘crack on’ with someone.

[MatthewS]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Well i don't mind if someone's gay,I'm not homophobic but i don't like overly camp people either,They annoy me.They sound ridiculous and you don't need to "act" like that just you're gay.Plenty of gay men don't.Callum is perfectly entitled to not like camp men without being labelled homophobic.

I hear you. I also don't generally get on with extremely camp people, it's just a bit too over the top for me. However, I don't see why Callum couldn't just say he doesn't get along with overtly camp people, instead of specifically assigning a sexual orientation to it. It's not the camp part that's controversial or problematic, it's that he specifically mentioned gay people.

In his defense, he could have just misspoke, or said it without thinking it through. It's not like he's mentioned anything in the house that's homophobic at all. He also hasn't got along with Dan though, and he's not close with the gay twin either. I'm just not sure what to make of it really.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by beano

On tonight's live feed, referring to Dexter's comment that he will "stick it in" him if Callum screws him over, Callum claimed Dexter wanted to "homosexually assault" him.

Why on earth did he choose those terms when he could have just said "sexual assault"

SAM also said he would have "punched" Dexter if he had said that to him.

From Calum's Bio:

Callum claims that others in the house would get annoyed by his “very good looks” as all the attention will be on him. He likes an argument but doesn’t like very religious or overly camp gay people.

http://www.bbspy.co.uk/bb14/housemates/callum-knell

Is Callum homophobic? What about Sam? They seem to have the mindset of many typical straight guys. Very ignorant!!

that's doesn't make him homophobic , cant say ive noticed any kind of discrimination against gay people by any hm

[MatthewS]

What if he said he doesn't get along with overtly camp black people? Problematic or fair statement to make?

[Braden]

It's almost a cliche for heterosexual guys to say they hate camp gay men in Big Brother (auditions). They probably just say it for the shock-factor so they can get into the house and show that they're "controversial".

[beano]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

I think its entirely possible he worded it incorrectly, or without thinking. If he simply said he doesn't get on with overtly camp people, I can't really see how anyone could think theirs anything wrong with a statement like that. However, when you specifically mention a particular sexual orientation and attach a negative connotation to it, it just opens the doors for speculation.

I agree

[halfacrown]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

What if he said he doesn't get along with overtly camp black people? Problematic or fair statement to make?

You have hit the nail on the head. Insert the word 'black' and suddenly people get it, I use that rule all the time. I loathe the use by people of 'gay' to mean 'lame', 'feeble' or 'rubbish', it's ridiculous. Use the word 'black' instead and people rightly wince. I'm old enough to remember a time when people used racist language regularly and casually. Political correctness is considered difficult by some people but the world before it was horribly sexist, racist and homophobic.

[Fish_Fingers]

The thing with this type of speculation is that it runs both ways. Let's imagine, for arguments sake, that someone meets a random sample of 10 gay people. Within this sample, 3 of them are overly camp. Our subject gets on very well with the seven, non-camp gay people and can be seen laughing, joking and making a good connection with them. However, he is unable to make a connection with the 3 overly camp ones and appears to be annoyed and bothered by them.

Our subject is surely entitled to say that, based on this study, he doesn't like overly camp gay people. In my book, this does not make him homophobic. Please don't forget that we don't have to like everybody in the world. It's interesting that nobody his picked up on his other comment about religious people. Is that because there is not a 'phobia' or 'ism' for disliking religion that people can label with in an attempt to be cool?

[south12345]

I expect he just likes his men masculine......a vast majority of gay and bi men do.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Originally Posted by south12345

I expect he just likes his men masculine......a vast majority of gay and bi men do.

what i was thinking. lol

[Braden]

The thing that bothers me with this whole 'disliking camp, gay men' is how ignorant it is in general. There's so much more to people who are gay and appear 'camp' on first impressions, yet people still stereotype and say that they hate "camp gay men" just for the sake of it. I personally think that shows how insecure they are about themselves tbh. It also ruins any type of equality that's trying to be formed in society.

[MatthewS]

Dexter is pretty camp, I guess him and callum were never meant to be lol

[MatthewS]

Originally Posted by Fish_Fingers

The thing with this type of speculation is that it runs both ways. Let's imagine, for arguments sake, that someone meets a random sample of 10 gay people. Within this sample, 3 of them are overly camp. Our subject gets on very well with the seven, non-camp gay people and can be seen laughing, joking and making a good connection with them. However, he is unable to make a connection with the 3 overly camp ones and appears to be annoyed and bothered by them.

Our subject is surely entitled to say that, based on this study, he doesn't like overly camp gay people. In my book, this does not make him homophobic.

That's fair enough. However I think its important to note that straight people can obviously be camp as well, it's not something that's exclusive to a specific sexual orientation.

[Fish_Fingers]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

That's fair enough. However I think its important to note that straight people can obviously be camp as well, it's not something that's exclusive to a specific sexual orientation.

Duly noted. But I think we can reasonably assume, without too much deliberation, that our subject would probably dislike straight camp people too.

[halfacrown]

Originally Posted by Fish_Fingers

The thing with this type of speculation is that it runs both ways. Let's imagine, for arguments sake, that someone meets a random sample of 10 gay people. Within this sample, 3 of them are overly camp. Our subject gets on very well with the seven, non-camp gay people and can be seen laughing, joking and making a good connection with them. However, he is unable to make a connection with the 3 overly camp ones and appears to be annoyed and bothered by them.

Our subject is surely entitled to say that, based on this study, he doesn't like overly camp gay people. In my book, this does not make him homophobic. Please don't forget that we don't have to like everybody in the world. It's interesting that nobody his picked up on his other comment about religious people. Is that because there is not a 'phobia' or 'ism' for disliking religion that people can label with in an attempt to be cool?

Then it would be the 'camp' that your subject dislikes, not the gay. He would have the same problem with camp straight people, right? But hold on, that might only be just a minority of a few camp people. There could be many camp people in the world that you subject gets on with. The problem with Callum is that he said he dislikes 'overly camp gay people' but has he met all of them, in the whole world? What does he mean by 'overly', what in his opinion? And why does he even have a problem with camp?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Braden

The thing that bothers me with this whole 'disliking camp, gay men' is how ignorant it is in general. There's so much more to people who are gay and appear 'camp' on first impressions, yet people still stereotype and say that they hate "camp gay men" just for the sake of it. I personally think that shows how insecure they are about themselves tbh. It also ruins any type of equality that's trying to be formed in society.

nah, being camp has nothing to do with equality. It's a character quirk in the same sense that being bookish or flirtatious or childish or funny is. It's not as if it's a minute contributor to one's personality: if someone strikes you as a queen, you're not going to dig deeper and find out that, actually, listening to Britney Spears all the time isn't that annoying. I've many friends who're incredibly camp but I can completely see why it's annoying to some people, in the same way that I'll make a mental note never to try and make friends with someone who strikes me as a loudmouth "lad".

[M X]

I seem to remember Callum saying "I have gay friends, I have bi friends." so don't try and make him out to be homophobic just because you're a Dexter fan. And to be honest, saying that you will bend someone over and stick it in them DOES equate to a homosexual assault.

And I'm gay so...

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Braden

The thing that bothers me with this whole 'disliking camp, gay men' is how ignorant it is in general. There's so much more to people who are gay and appear 'camp' on first impressions, yet people still stereotype and say that they hate "camp gay men" just for the sake of it. I personally think that shows how insecure they are about themselves tbh. It also ruins any type of equality that's trying to be formed in society.

Yeah but,For example,You can get on with normal gay men but you may not like the thought of what they do with each other.If they are really camp then they are basically throwing it in your face and you can't look past that because of all the super camp act.Obviously a camp straight bloke does'nt commit gay acts,He may just do the camp thing cos he thinks it's cool or chicks like it or whatever but you would know that he's straight.You could get on with a non camp gay man fine as he's not throwing his sexuality in your face everytime he talks.Hence Callum is perfectly within his rights to say that he does'nt like overtly gay men without being branded homophobic.