[Ammi]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndLeona

It would only be fair for Stacey too be unbanned too then

..Jack, every serious action has to be looked at separately, depending what it is...so far as I know, Stacey wasn't in cohesion with any other members when she did what she did...she was also never given an indefinite ban, which indicates a ban which will be reviewed...

[arista]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndLeona

It would only be fair for Stacey too be unbanned too then

yes Admin can now do that

[Ammi]

...this ban and the clarity of it has no similarity at all with any permanently banned members or their return, which has already been made clear and for good reasons...

[Pete.]

what did he do (wasn't here)

[MeMyselfAndI]

Loads of people have come back from a perm ban & Stacey was 15 at the time.
Also loads of members have done what Stacey did (save pictures) & then go further & contact another members family with malice with said pictures. But because it was done as a group, nothing happened, when the 4 people were all 18+. So what they actually did was worse, and the mods response, "it was offsite we cant do anything". Well so was Staceys... Hypocrits. Then there response is, "It was admin's decision".

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndLeona

Loads of people have come back from a perm ban & Stacey was 15 at the time.
Also loads of members have done what Stacey did (save pictures) & then go further & contact another members family with malice with said pictures. But because it was done as a group, nothing happened, when the 4 people were all 18+. So what they actually did was worse, and the mods response, "it was offsite we cant do anything". Well so was Staceys... Hypocrits. Then there response is, "It was admin's decision".

..I'm sorry, Jack but this thread isn't about Stacey or her ban ...

[Jordan.]

Stacey and Scott unbanned please

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndLeona

Loads of people have come back from a perm ban & Stacey was 15 at the time.
Also loads of members have done what Stacey did (save pictures) & then go further & contact another members family with malice with said pictures. But because it was done as a group, nothing happened, when the 4 people were all 18+. So what they actually did was worse, and the mods response, "it was offsite we cant do anything". Well so was Staceys... Hypocrits. Then there response is, "It was admin's decision".

People saying Scott will have learnt from his 3 month ban Stacey has waited coming up 3 years...

I don't think mixing in Stacey with this thread is advancing your cause. I don't know Stacey, or the exact details of what she did, but I think 3 years is definitely enough time for a 15yr old to learn a lesson, so she should probably also be given another chance.

I think you need to take that up separately with James/mods/own thread though.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

People saying Scott will have learnt from his 3 month ban Stacey has waited coming up 3 years...

..the thing is, if Stacey had been given an indefinite ban and it had been 3 months, we'd probably be having this discussion about her as well...but her ban was specific and clear when it was given...it's not about lengths of bans, whether you have a 3 week ban/3 months/6 months/permanent etc...you know exactly what that ban time period is...but none of that applies to Scott's ban, his isn't clear at all...it kind of just isn't effective or fair to sort of say..well, we'll just decide as we go along and take it each day at a time...the person has to be clear as to what they're being sanctioned for and exactly what that sanction is...

[Smithy]

This thread isn't about Stacy, if you want her unbanned go make a thread asking for it, but she's a vile vicious bully so no she shouldn't be unbanned

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by G.U.Yule

This thread isn't about Stacy, if you want her unbanned go make a thread asking for it, but she's a vile vicious bully so no she shouldn't be unbanned

..lol....snap...

[Kate!]

I'm going out now, damn. I wanted to continue posting in here. We are actually managing to discuss this positively (surprisingly) so despite my initial opposition to the thread being made, I hope it's still open and ongoing when I come back.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Lola-Belle Humbug

I'm going out now, damn. I wanted to continue posting in here. We are actually managing to discuss this positively (surprisingly) so despite my initial opposition to the thread being made, I hope it's still open and ongoing when I come back.

...yeah, who would have thought it, LOL...enjoy your day...

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

That's so beautifully done!

[Cherie]

There are some very valid points being made here on both sides of the divide. It's certainly thought provoking. Maybe an amnesty for those banned members who would like to return could be trialed on a 3 strikes and you are out basis?

[Ammi]

..anyway, I have to go offline for a bit soon as well but I think Kate and I are like-minded in this...if we're going to move on, then we have to completely move on from what's happened this year, which hasn't had a good effect on TiBB or members...even if it means Scott is told he can never come back..I obviously hope that isn't the case because, I feel that would be a very unfair sanctionindeed...but at least it would be clear, which it needs to be...I can't see anything could be achieved from waiting longer than 3 months for him to be told, or other forum members to be told...I hope that people will discuss it..(reasonably..)..and give it thought and not just act on initial instinct....

[AnnieK]

I agree Kate, this is what was needed...

[Tom4784]

Stacey was permabanned, Scott isn't. End of discussion on that front.

As for Scott, I talked about it on Plug last night and I'll basically repeat what I said here. I didn't really agree with Scott's ban, I think modding offsite stuff is a slippery slope and it's impossible to be consistent in this area since then we'd have to then ban people for their actions in Plug, Tinychat, and other loosely-related-to-tibb forums which is ridiculous and unrealistic. I personally think enough time has passed and if it was down to me, I'd give him another shot.

[Vanessa]

I'm not opposed to this thread if it's allowed. I think Scott has been a massive part of the forum and i miss him myself.

[Ammi]

..I think it's exactly what Dezzy said..if it's a 'cool off period' to reflect on his part in what happened..if it's a sanction to 'learn a lesson', then what's the purpose/to be achieved by it being longer than 3 months, which is a significant ban length..and if it's to be more permanent, then what's to be achieved from either Scott or the forum knowing this because while none of us do, nothing can be 'moved on from..'..so it all becomes counter-productive....

[Marc]

I would argue that what Stacey did was onsite since she took the photos from MTM. The MODs are working towards getting out a clearer understanding of Indefinite Bans and how they'll come into action (if we continue to use them).

[Tom4784]

Indefinite Bans are definitely a confusing creature and it's failure on our part that they weren't clearly defined when we first put Scott on one. We're working on it though and we've got a pretty decent idea of what an 'IB' entails, we just need James' input.

As for permabanned members I go back and forth on it all the time, there's some permabans that I would undo if given the chance but I definitely think others should remain banned. When we were discussing indefinite bans a few months back we toyed with the idea of putting permabanned members on one but we were ultimately divided on it. I'd be up for giving someone like Stephanie a chance but Setanta? I'm not sure that would be a good idea at all.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Indefinite Bans are definitely a confusing creature and it's failure on our part that they weren't clearly defined when we first put Scott on one. We're working on it though and we've got a pretty decent idea of what an 'IB' entails, we just need James' input.

As for permabanned members I go back and forth on it all the time, there's some permabans that I would undo if given the chance but I definitely think others should remain banned. When we were discussing indefinite bans a few months back we toyed with the idea of putting permabanned members on one but we were ultimately divided on it. I'd be up for giving someone like Stephanie a chance but Setanta? I'm not sure that would be a good idea at all.

I'm still a bit confused on the whole Setanta thing. He was a bit ... involved ... with this whole using the internet business but at the same time it felt like a group of young kids kicking a dog to death then screaming "YOU ALL SAW HIM. HE BIT ME".

He became incredibly popular to bait by the same group of fucking boring thugs for weeks on end. Even if he killed the pope and gave the queen a wedgie in the meantime it's important to note that, I think. Total mob justice.