[fingers]

Originally Posted by ChristMASS EFFECT

They can rot in jail as far as I'm concerned. No death penalty, no easy way out, no more publicity, just them and the four walls.

Enjoy your time at her Majesty's pleasure

Amen to that!

[Z]

Did I just hear on the news they only got 6 years?????

[Jake.]

That can't be right

[AnnieK]

No, I think that's the ex-soldiers who fire-bombed a mosque after the Lee Rigby killing

[fingers]

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

Did I just hear on the news they only got 6 years?????

Nope that was two soldiers convicted of bombing, or attempting to bomb, a Mosque, just after Lee Rigby's murder.

[Me. I Am Salman]

those two soldiers should have got way more than that, anyone planning to bomb and kill hundreds of people shouldn't be let free after three years

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Salman!

those two soldiers should have got way more than that, anyone planning to bomb and kill hundreds of people shouldn't be let free after three years

I agree.... Murder is Murder is Murder regardless of religious persuasion !!!!

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Are we to assume that Lee Rigby abrogated HIS Human Rights by joining the army?

[arista]

The mother of Killer Michael Adebolajo
has said she is sorry.
Her son should not have done that

Speaking on ITV1London News

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Salman!

those two soldiers should have got way more than that, anyone planning to bomb and kill hundreds of people shouldn't be let free after three years

Agreed.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

Hold on a minute. My post was made because I've seen posters calling for their torture. That's wrong, petty, and pretty ******ing barbaric. There is a difference between treating them with kid gloves, and not breaking laws to torture people, because there is a whole area in the middle, right between playstations and eye for an eye.

By the same token, if we're so much better than they are, then why is our first instinct to act in exactly the same way and mirror their behaviour? The crime committed that day was unimaginable to me (as a mostly sane person), so it is equally unimaginable to me that we should want to do the same things in retaliation.

At least they would be alive under my reign, I wouldn't be able to say the same for anybody else if they ran the country and had them two in their grasp.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

Well I break a lot of hearts naturally. It's what I do - so don't think you're special!

How many atrocities have they actually committed on our streets though? We kill more of our own people through poverty than any islamic terrorist has ever managed either alone or combined. We're so appalling blinkered by the latest shiny news item where everyone can join together in mutual rage, that we fail to see just how equally bad we can be.

I understand that most people would just want to put a bullet in their heads, but you're all wrong. There is no middle ground on this where I'm concerned. Human rights are human rights and need to be fought for and protected for everyone. Yes, even the most despicable kind of person we can all imagine.

It's weird, because all I'm actually advocating is that we don't either murder or torture them. Who'd have known that would ever be a disagreeable statement?

You mean our Government not us as the average joe on the streets.

But I agree that our Government is vile and corrupt but it's hard to really punish them when there is no actual evidence behind their corruption.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by arista

The mother of Killer Michael Adebolajo
has said she is sorry.
Her son should not have done that

Speaking on ITV1London News

His brother Jeremiah will not condemn the killing, seems to think it was justified by the presence of the British army in Afghanistan.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by TinyFingeringTim

His brother Jeremiah will not condemn the killing, seems to think it was justified by the presence of the British army in Afghanistan.

I'd be happy to chip in for a ticket to send the *******er out there. One way.

[arista]

Originally Posted by TinyFingeringTim

His brother Jeremiah will not condemn the killing, seems to think it was justified by the presence of the British army in Afghanistan.

Yes on Ch5HD News
yesterday his brother claims he did nothing wrong.

He spoke also of Drones (on SkyNewsHD)
but thats USA - not us

Originally Posted by The Godinator

At least they would be alive under my reign, I wouldn't be able to say the same for anybody else if they ran the country and had them two in their grasp.

After they've been raped and had their food pissed on, we can all pat ourselves on the back that our moral superiority has kept them alive.

Originally Posted by The Godinator

You mean our Government not us as the average joe on the streets.

But I agree that our Government is vile and corrupt but it's hard to really punish them when there is no actual evidence behind their corruption.

My point was that the establishment of this country does far more harm, and causes more death than Islamic terrorists ever could, yet isolated events like this make us ignore what happens everyday.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

.........My point was that the establishment of this country does far more harm, and causes more death than Islamic terrorists ever could, yet isolated events like this make us ignore what happens everyday.

So far as I remember, the establishment has never run over a member of the public going about their business, stabbed them and attempted to hack off their head before raising a firearm toward the police. I wonder at your reluctance to acknowledge what a freakishly dreadful event this was and take the focus off a pair of dangerous, murdering scumbags who, aside from everything else they've done, cast a very long dark shadow over honest, law-abiding Muslims.

One of your more giddy posts I think, Jesus.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

After they've been raped and had their food pissed on, we can all pat ourselves on the back that our moral superiority has kept them alive.



My point was that the establishment of this country does far more harm, and causes more death than Islamic terrorists ever could, yet isolated events like this make us ignore what happens everyday.

Because tbf while I hate all the parties in this country, they can't solve all of our poverty issues over night.

Terrorists however and this is from any country, deliberately go out of their way to hurt innocent people for petty reasons a lot of the time, and in this case they did it in the worst form of cowardice ever, so yes if they are gonna be kept alive then they need to suffer more than the victim did before he died.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Godinator

Because tbf while I hate all the parties in this country, they can't solve all of our poverty issues over night.

Terrorists however and this is from any country, deliberately go out of their way to hurt innocent people for petty reasons a lot of the time, and in this case they did it in the worst form of cowardice ever, so yes if they are gonna be kept alive then they need to suffer more than the victim did before he died.

Good points Mock, what these 2 did was for me beyond forgiveness and beyond any kind of accepted behaviour anywhere.

It is obscene that the family of Lee Rigby have to live with this loss, in such a savage and barabaric way that it was done,for the rest of their lives.
These miserable rotten excuses for human beings wil get all they need for the rest of their lioves except for the fact they will not be able to have their freedom.

For me that is a very tiny price they are going to have to pay for the rotten savage and pure evil of the murder they committed and the way they went about it too.

[Nemo123]

As I sat here it dawned on me the enormous hypocrisy about the murder of Lee Rigby. I wasn't comfortable yesterday, now today my thoughts are clearer. Some muslims killed him brutally for being a British soldier. But what do people, soldiers with X-Box controllers do, sending drones over to far-flung parts of the world to kill "Al-Qaeda"? Hm!? They arbitrarily decide from high up in the sky to execute someone on the ground, killing men, women and children. That's OK is it, but a couple of muslims savagely murdering a soldier in London isn't?

I mean people have called his murder brutal and cowardly, but what's sitting with an x-box in another part of the world reigning down death? Hm? Brutal and cowardly.

And think, just like in Lee Rigby's case, these drone attacks are not combat situations. They reign down extra-judicial execution on peaceful homes, fields and villages. Not battlefields.

If these drone attacks are not murder, then neither is the killing of Lee Rigby. In other words, they are exactly the same by any sane measure of morality.

[arista]

"If these drone attacks are not murder, then neither is the killing of Lee Rigby. In other words, they are exactly the same by any sane measure of morality."



No USA Evil Drone Attacks are
wrong killing family's near it ,
all the time.


Killing Lee Rigby in London was wrong
as he was not working at a Waz Zone.


The Preacher that guided those killers
ran off to Libya right after the Murder
He must be killed by a Bullet.
As Every Day he goes on the Web
getting more and more Young British
Muslims to do the same.

Originally Posted by Livia

So far as I remember, the establishment has never run over a member of the public going about their business, stabbed them and attempted to hack off their head before raising a firearm toward the police. I wonder at your reluctance to acknowledge what a freakishly dreadful event this was and take the focus off a pair of dangerous, murdering scumbags who, aside from everything else they've done, cast a very long dark shadow over honest, law-abiding Muslims.

One of your more giddy posts I think, Jesus.

Not for the first time in this thread, you have completely missed the point. Why wonder at my reluctance to acknowledge what a dreadful freakishly event this was, when I've actually referenced a number of times how dreadful this crime was? So wonder no more.

My only issue, is the completely abhorrent revenge killing/torture being called for in this thread. That's it. I'm not excusing the killing, I'm not ignoring it, and I'm certainly not giving cover to Islamic terrorism.

Murder and torture are equally wrong, whether committed by a so-called soldier of Allah, or whether it's done on my behalf by a government, for the sole purpose of revenge. That this should be so controversial is completely incomprehensible to me.

Punish these men for their crimes within the legal framework that exists. Nothing more, nothing less.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

Not for the first time in this thread, you have completely missed the point. Why wonder at my reluctance to acknowledge what a dreadful freakishly event this was, when I've actually referenced a number of times how dreadful this crime was? So wonder no more.

My only issue, is the completely abhorrent revenge killing/torture being called for in this thread. That's it. I'm not excusing the killing, I'm not ignoring it, and I'm certainly not giving cover to Islamic terrorism.

Murder and torture are equally wrong, whether committed by a so-called soldier of Allah, or whether it's done on my behalf by a government, for the sole purpose of revenge. That this should be so controversial is completely incomprehensible to me.

Punish these men for their crimes within the legal framework that exists. Nothing more, nothing less.

in a nut shell, good people have to kill bad people to keep the rest of the good people safe.

bad people kill good people and good people kill good people without wanting to,

all this eye for an eye making the whole world blind is utter nonsense.

the human race has survived for thousands of years killing each other, it can be with a gun or a knife, or starvation.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

in a nut shell, good people have to kill bad people to keep the rest of the good people safe.

bad people kill good people and good people kill good people without wanting to,

all this eye for an eye making the whole world blind is utter nonsense.

the human race has survived for thousands of years killing each other, it can be with a gun or a knife, or starvation.

I don't quite agree with you Sheriff we aren't savages anymore we shouldn't live by those standards.

The fact is these people were given trial and sentenced within the system of our law and that's good enough for me.

Making examples of these people will turn them into martyrs and that's exactly what they want. Sentence them like you would sentence any British citizen and let them rot away without ever gaining any more publicity.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by ChristMASS EFFECT

I don't quite agree with you Sheriff we aren't savages anymore we shouldn't live by those standards.

The fact is these people were given trial and sentenced within the system of our law and that's good enough for me.

Making examples of these people will turn them into martyrs and that's exactly what they want. Sentence them like you would sentence any British citizen and let them rot away without ever gaining any more publicity.

Agreed