[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by rionablue

I have been struggling to understand the massive support for Jim also. He have done his time and got his counselling or whatever but a man should never EVER raise a hand to a woman and visa versa ( just in case ppl are saying why pick the man) It does happen in some instances that a woman is violent towards a man. I feel that much of Jims support for this eviction is because people hate Jas and Luisa and Liz is not a strong housemate. Even if I hated every single housemate in there and they were all up I would vote to save them rather than Jim. Domestic violence should not be accepted and even if its years ago and Jim is a 'reformed character' I would still struggle very much to support him and I know what I am talking about believe me x

Reformation and learning are the points of having experiences. Jim's ex-wife may never forgive what he has done, but I have no right to hate him on her behalf as though he beat me. The logic of punishing him eternally is flawed in that none of us are perfect and if raised differently, or having witnessed domestic violence and having become desensitised to it, taught different ideals or placed in different situations, we might be stunned at how our ethical boundaries shift. Jim is controlling himself whilst being constantly attacked. His saying he is not being his usual self may be linked to his own guilt and poor self-view due to past transgressions. That conviction that we are intrinsically evil is often the greatest motivator to effect change in our behaviour. I suspect there is a lot of displacement and projection here and Jim is taking the hatred for some posters' own experiences.

[HBB1508]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Reformation and learning are the points of having experiences. Jim's ex-wife may never forgive what he has done, but I have no right to hate him on her behalf as though he beat me. The logic of punishing him eternally is flawed in that none of us are perfect and if raised differently, or having witnessed domestic violence and having become desensitised to it, taught different ideals or placed in different situations, we might be stunned at how our ethical boundaries shift. Jim is controlling himself whilst being constantly attacked. His saying he is not being his usual self may be linked to his own guilt and poor self-view due to past transgressions. That conviction that we are intrinsically evil is often the greatest motivator to effect change in our behaviour. I suspect there is a lot of displacement and projection here and Jim is taking the hatred for some posters' own experiences.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Reformation and learning are the points of having experiences. Jim's ex-wife may never forgive what he has done, but I have no right to hate him on her behalf as though he beat me. The logic of punishing him eternally is flawed in that none of us are perfect and if raised differently, or having witnessed domestic violence and having become desensitised to it, taught different ideals or placed in different situations, we might be stunned at how our ethical boundaries shift. Jim is controlling himself whilst being constantly attacked. His saying he is not being his usual self may be linked to his own guilt and poor self-view due to past transgressions. That conviction that we are intrinsically evil is often the greatest motivator to effect change in our behaviour. I suspect there is a lot of displacement and projection here and Jim is taking the hatred for some posters' own experiences.

Great post,NONE of us are perfect,it's easy to sit here pontificating on someones past and how people should behave,people in glass houses and all that,WE don't know.WE weren't there,its done its past,so why are people still bringing it up and STILL nothing said about Jasmine and Sams violent past,WHY?,Jims ex wifes new partner also threatened to have him knee capped and killed !!! so it seems Jim probably wasn't the only violent one she hooked up to.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Great post,NONE of us are perfect,it's easy to sit here pontificating on someones past and how people should behave,people in glass houses and all that,WE don't know.WE weren't there,its done its past,so why are people still bringing it up and STILL nothing said about Jasmine and Sams violent past,WHY?,Jims ex wifes new partner also threatened to have him knee capped and killed !!! so it seems Jim probably wasn't the only violent one she hooked up to.

..yeah, none of us are perfect and everyone has flaws but some flaws are more extreme than others...and it's perfectly natural to discuss it, in the same way that other celebrities are discussed and any opinions about them...as people have said...how can Lee and Jasmine have feelings for each other in such a short time or Casey have felt the way she did etc...it's only been a week or so of Jim being in the house and it just isn't enough time for many people to have changed their opinion of him or to see him as a 'changed person'...some people are seeing something positive in him, and that's cool but not everyone is...

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Great post,NONE of us are perfect,it's easy to sit here pontificating on someones past and how people should behave,people in glass houses and all that,WE don't know.WE weren't there,its done its past,so why are people still bringing it up and STILL nothing said about Jasmine and Sams violent past,WHY?,Jims ex wifes new partner also threatened to have him knee capped and killed !!! so it seems Jim probably wasn't the only violent one she hooked up to.

Dos that mean we can't have a negative view of sex offenders or murderers because we might have stole a packet of chewing gum when we were 10?

Fact of the matter is I'm disgusted at men who raise their hands to women, there is no excuse for it and I don't care how long ago it was.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Dos that mean we can't have a negative view of sex offenders or murderers because we might have stole a packet of chewing gum when we were 10?

Fact of the matter is I'm disgusted at men who raise their hands to women, there is no excuse for it and I don't care how long ago it was.

Ok Kyle,that's your opinion,I have mine,you can have a negative view on anything My God I have some myself,but I think to equate it with murderers and sex offenders is way ott,you don't like him,I don't mind him so far,simple as that.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Dos that mean we can't have a negative view of sex offenders or murderers because we might have stole a packet of chewing gum when we were 10?

Fact of the matter is I'm disgusted at men who raise their hands to women, there is no excuse for it and I don't care how long ago it was.

Murder and sex offences are on a whole different level to Jim having a scrap with the misses tbh.A little perspective i think is needed here.

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Dos that mean we can't have a negative view of sex offenders or murderers because we might have stole a packet of chewing gum when we were 10?

Fact of the matter is I'm disgusted at men who raise their hands to women, there is no excuse for it and I don't care how long ago it was.

Noone should raise their hand to anyone, but I struggle with the outdated sentiment that a man should never raise his hand/voice to a woman, whilst attacking Dappy for his inability to acknowledge equality. Made me chuckle during the Dappy/Luisa argument: everyone acknowledged he was wrong for saying women could not do what men do, whilst stating that a "real man" would have walked away when she stood screaming in his face.

[Kazanne]

I support Jim as what he did was over 20 years ago and he seems to have changed his life around ,so kudos to him for doing that,Jasmine and Sam are also violent,dont see the constant disapproval for them

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I support Jim as what he did was over 20 years ago and he seems to have changed his life around ,so kudos to him for doing that,Jasmine and Sam are also violent,dont see the constant disapproval for them

Oh FFS, can't you see the difference in someone giving someone a one - off slap and the deeper problem of domestic violence which affects innocent young children and deep emotional connections between married couples. Jesus......

[Shaun]

I do wonder if there even IS a limit on what people are willing to overlook prior to a person entering a reality TV show. Ian Huntley? I mean he did it over a decade ago and it wasn't on TV so that's cool then if he goes in and calls Lynda Bellingham a "boring slag" right?

I'm just at a loss for words that people are willing to overlook such an obvious case of lifelong bigotry and hatred because he isn't as trashy as the others.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I do wonder if there even IS a limit on what people are willing to overlook prior to a person entering a reality TV show. Ian Huntley? I mean he did it over a decade ago and it wasn't on TV so that's cool then if he goes in and calls Lynda Bellingham a "boring slag" right?

I'm just at a loss for words that people are willing to overlook such an obvious case of lifelong bigotry and hatred because he isn't as trashy as the others.

Couldn't have put it better my self, 100% agree with you, another thing people on here seem to he overlooking as well he is homophobic pig, the way he treated Brian Dowlan on Hells Kitchen was vile ....IMHO

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by BigBrotherfan4ever

Couldn't have put it better my self, 100% agree with you, another thing people on here seem to he overlooking as well he is homophobic pig, the way he treated Brian Dowlan on Hells Kitchen was vile ....IMHO

That's what makes him even more objectionable of a casting choice, especially when you consider that he was this close to entering a series Brian hosted

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

That's what makes him even more objectionable of a casting choice, especially when you consider that he was this close to entering a series Brian hosted

Exactly, I can't believe he's is favourite to win at the moment, can't understand why people would consider putting money on him.

[reece(:]

The scary thing is he's an identified misogynist, and it's mostly women supporting him. And what makes it worse is that he confirmed he was putting on an act, the public have fell for it hook, line and sinker.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by reece(:

The scary thing is he's an identified misogynist, and it's mostly women supporting him. And what makes it worse is that he confirmed he was putting on an act, the public have fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Reece we all interact every day with people who do not share our views, I have a friend who is an out and out racist, I also have family members who hold racist views and sexist views on women, that doesn't mean I cut them out of my life, mainly it means I just roll my eyes, or we have a bit of a debate about it. It is possible to know and get on with people who have completely different views and outlooks in life.

Interesting article here, even if it is from the DM if anyone cares to read it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ilderness.html

[sampvt]

Jim haters constantly drag his past up because that's all they can find on him apart from the boring old fart tag, which incidentally, like \jimmy Carr, he makes a living out of it.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Jim haters constantly drag his past up because that's all they can find on him apart from the boring old fart tag, which incidentally, like \jimmy Carr, he makes a living out of it.

It's a pretty horrible past to have.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

It's a pretty horrible past to have.

Being at the top of the tree for many decades, not years, takes a bit of doing. Most of the people you champion have wet ink on their first pay check still.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

It's a pretty horrible past to have.

It is his past though. So far in the house have we seen him do anything unwarranted and nasty? Personally I don't think so but I've not been able to keep up with all of the shows so I don't really know.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Jim haters constantly drag his past up because that's all they can find on him apart from the boring old fart tag, which incidentally, like \jimmy Carr, he makes a living out of it.

To me there are few things worse a man can do than lay a finger on a woman. Alcoholism or not there is no excuse. I find it very hard to attach myself to a man that has done that I don't care how long ago it was and what he does in the house.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Reformation and learning are the points of having experiences. Jim's ex-wife may never forgive what he has done, but I have no right to hate him on her behalf as though he beat me. The logic of punishing him eternally is flawed in that none of us are perfect and if raised differently, or having witnessed domestic violence and having become desensitised to it, taught different ideals or placed in different situations, we might be stunned at how our ethical boundaries shift. Jim is controlling himself whilst being constantly attacked. His saying he is not being his usual self may be linked to his own guilt and poor self-view due to past transgressions. That conviction that we are intrinsically evil is often the greatest motivator to effect change in our behaviour. I suspect there is a lot of displacement and projection here and Jim is taking the hatred for some posters' own experiences.

Great post.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

To me there are few things worse a man can do than lay a finger on a woman. Alcoholism or not there is no excuse. I find it very hard to attach myself to a man that has done that I don't care how long ago it was and what he does in the house.

Very well said absolutely agree

[Macie Lightfoot]

I get the whole idea of judging someone solely on their time in the house but certainly there's a point where there's too much to overlook. My thing with Jim is that as far as I'm concerned, his whole life and celebrity-dom is super sketchy and shady that he shouldn't have even been cast in the first place. This especially rings true when you factor in that he was initially supposed to be on CBB11 and would have to interact with Brian Dowling again.

[Z]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

I get the whole idea of judging someone solely on their time in the house but certainly there's a point where there's too much to overlook. My thing with Jim is that as far as I'm concerned, his whole life and celebrity-dom is super sketchy and shady that he shouldn't have even been cast in the first place. This especially rings true when you factor in that he was initially supposed to be on CBB11 and would have to interact with Brian Dowling again.

I don't disagree with that view at all and I completely respect anyone who feels that Jim's past is too extreme to let go for the sake of an entertainment program. I certainly wouldn't want anyone who has been the victim of domestic violence to be upset with my casual support for Jim as a housemate.