[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Solve problems like Farage is trying to you mean? I'l try and solve issues when he starts trying to solve them and not just making a name for himself like he's doing at the moment.

he made a name for himself years ago, what on earth are you on about?

[Kizzy]

only 23 boroughs to go mostly London

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

he made a name for himself years ago, what on earth are you on about?

But he himself refers to his party as 'serious players' so its time for him to tell us what he's going to do.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

only 23 boroughs to go mostly London

From what I can see this has turned out to be a mixed bag for Labour but also a pretty good result overall that does have them in a winning position despite the UKIP intervention and rise in votes.
More hard work to do but still near 11 months to get there.
Around 300 gains and 200 losses for the Conservatives.

As for the Lib Dems well they may as well throw in the towel now I would say.

[joeysteele]

I cannot remember a local election results to take this long to get the results all finalised.
Am I the only one too who is likely fed up of hearing of this great success of UKIP in these elections.
Yes,they have won over 150 councillors but they have not a single council and are not even in 2nd place in any except for a small few.

They have done well in getting their vote up to 17% nationally but that is not going to win them seats in general elections either.
Yet it is UKIP all over the news.

For me some of the main points were Labour failing to take Tamworth, there is a result that they should have worked harder to achieve,Tamworth being an inportant target seat for the 2015 election.
Other major news for me would be.Labour's rather incredible success across London councils, the Conservatives taking Kinston from the Lib Dems, Labour wiping the Lib Dems out in Manchester,where Labour now have 95 seats along with one Independent on the council.

The Conservatives against the odds holding on to Swindon and then for Labour too also in Birmingham,despite some switching of seats, Labour strenghteneing their grip on that council after years of it being a Con/Lib run council.

There are loads more too but all we are getting is UKIP.
For crying out loud, had they won about 4 or 5 councils fair enough, to have not won any or come close to while doing pretty well, that is hardly the success of these elections.

Sunday and the European results may well be the major success for UKIP and then it will be justified all this attention and lauding over them but 'not' for what they have managed to do in these Local elections.
The media really do make you despair at times.

[arista]

[With two results still to come, UKIP had gained 167 seats - giving them 184 seats
in all but with no councils under their control; and Labour had gained
284 seats - giving them 4,111 seats and control of 81 councils - an increase of five.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1267177/lo...nificant-gains

What amazes me is All the Labour voters
who Voted UKIP.
They want to punish New Labours Open Door Policy
that Labour says was wrong.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there we go again. an insult and then a moral high ground assumption..


instead of having a pop at a legitimate party why not try and solve some problems, any fool can highlight them?

Well said, unfortunately there are a few posters on this forum who sit in their anonymous ivory towers dispensing pearls of wisdom which are at total odds to real events in the real non TiBB world.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

[With two results still to come, UKIP had gained 167 seats - giving them 184 seats
in all but with no councils under their control; and Labour had gained
284 seats - giving them 4,111 seats and control of 81 councils - an increase of five.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1267177/lo...nificant-gains

What amazes me is All the Labour voters
who Voted UKIP.
They want to punish New Labours Open Door Policy
that Labour says was wrong.

I do think a fair number of the votes cast for UKIP on thursday are a sort of protest vote and I also agree with Nigel Farage that a good number of UKIP's votes come from people who don't usually vote too.

That doesn't sit well for UKIP at the general election then.
Also, I talked to some people yesterday who said they had voted UKIP but couldn't say why because they didn't really know any of their policies other than on immigration.
They then also said they didn't in truth understand UKIP's immigration policy either.

I really think the media hype of the last few weeks has been in part the reason for people going out and voting UKIP,the general election should and will be different.
There will be no UKIP MP's to interview for starters and I really hope both Labour and the Conservative party get their act together and fight good strong campaigns, media permitting.
The media seem obsessed with UKIP and yesterday really went over the top on them, you would think they swept the board in these elections.

As I said earlier, I really despair at the media at times.
To be fair to both parties,Labour did pretty well,even on BBC news projections,they said Labour would have been only 4 short of an overall majority.
A projection which included 10% for the 'OTHERS' which was daft because the 'other' parties won't get 10% in a general election at all.
The Conservatives also could have had a worse result,they did score some of what could have been termed unlikely successes on the day too.

Only the Lib Dems have absolutely nothing to crow about.
What has happened to them since 2011,is the fury of their former voters, who sickened and really annoyed at the betrayal of their trust are sick of waiting to get those votes cast in 2010 back to use again now against the Lib Dems.

The media too need to get things in balance.
If the presentation of the general election follows the pattern of this one then it could turn into a tedious affair.
I was sick of David Dimbledy's voice yesterday and then he was telling the people he was talking to to keep it short.
That ridiculous map on the floor of the entrance to the house of commons was also rather pathetic.

[arista]

"I was sick of David Dimbledy's voice yesterday"


Yes I put him onto a 10" LCD
leaving SkyNewsHD on the LG LED 32"

That way you
get a better vision of it all
and control the sound levels better

[Cherie]

I'm actually surprised Labour did so well, imagine what they could do if they ousted Ed.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Well said, unfortunately there are a few posters on this forum who sit in their anonymous ivory towers dispensing pearls of wisdom which are at total odds to real events in the real non TiBB world.

Spot on. My town (Rotherham) which has been let down on so many levels by a consecutive Labour Council has seen a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP and I kind of feel guilty I didn't bother to add my vote in with the rest of my kinsmen.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I'm actually surprised Labour did so well, imagine what they could do if they ousted Ed.

Really good point Cherie.
I myself am impressed with Ed Miliband, I like when he makes his conference speeches and the warmth,compassion and detail that he relays at that time.

Having said that, I agree with you, that they did do well, they are in a winning position at present and still after yesterday's results too.
I do however feel that someone else would be doing much better at this time as leader but nothing will change now as to that.

I would like to see too, where there is a swing back to Govt. at election time as so called experts say there will be, reading back, the only time I have come across that since the war,was 1959 when it seemd possible Labour under Hugh Gaitskell could do really well but did disastrously in the end.
Also in 1992 when it seemed a possible close call between John Major and Neil Kinnock when in the end a swing back to the govt. saw John Major home then and Labour slip away.
The only other freak result was in 1983 when the opposition vote was split between Labour and the SDP/Liberal Alliance which resulted in a greatly increased majority for Margaret Thatcher albeit with a lower share of the votes cast.


In just about near all other general elections,the campaign has seen a move towards the opposition and not the Govt.
1945, 1950, 1964,1970.1974(both elections), 1979, 2001,2005,2010.

[MTVN]

Farage out celebrating with the lads

[Livia]

From virtually a standing start UKIP have had an amazing result. People suddenly have an alternative and they've grabbed it and I'm afraid those people can no longer be dismissed with "oh, it's just a protest vote...". All the other parties have to step up now. All of them. Otherwise we're going to end up with a whole bunch of UKIP MPs after next year's general election, and maybe a Conservative/UKIP alliance. Let's hope during the next year the other parties step up and the people who sit on their arse on polling day realise that it's their civic duty to vote.

[Vicky.]

Laughed at nick clegg on the radio yesterday in the car...he was saying how optimistic he was and how they can 'still win'..

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Laughed at nick clegg on the radio yesterday in the car...he was saying how optimistic he was and how they can 'still win'..

and like his odious lying deputy saying it was a good night for the wretched liberals

i hate these lying career politicians

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Laughed at nick clegg on the radio yesterday in the car...he was saying how optimistic he was and how they can 'still win'..

Whatever happy pills they're giving him, I want some.

[Kizzy]

He doesn't have fingers in pies... he's having an American pie moment making money hand over fist with all his corrupt cronies, that's what's making him happy.
Excellent turnout for Labour yesterday, UKIP are still a joke party, photo ops with skinheads are never going to be enough to convince anyone the NHS needs privatising...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Whatever happy pills they're giving him, I want some.

He knows there could already be a nice lucrative European position he can fall back on after leading his party out of the forest and then leading them right into a bleak wilderness after doing so.

It really wouldn't surprise me to see a freak result in Sheffield Hallam in 2015 and this hypocrite losing his seat.
One can hope.

[arista]

[Kizzy]

'More than half of Ukip's support in the European elections came from disenchanted Conservative voters, a poll commissioned by Lord Ashcroft has found.

In a survey of over 4,000 people, just over half of Ukip voters said they had chosen the Conservatives in the 2010 general election. Nearly 20% had voted Lib Dem in 2010 and 15% Labour.'

Labour voters not as easily fooled now it seems?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-ashcroft-poll

[joeysteele]

The thing is and now Labour have gained over 300 seats and the Conservatives lost over 200 these local election results, while being a mixed bag still, say more to the positive for Labour than the other 2 main parties.

Talking to a few people this morning,who voted UKIP who were Conservative voters, they said if the don't vote for UKIP in the general election then they won't be bothering to vote at all in 2015.
Whereas 3 who said,(and yes,it is only 3),who usually vote Labour voted UKIP hoping it would make Ed Miliband also offer a referendum on the EU too.
Then they revealed however, even if he didn't, they would still then vote Labour again in the general election to get rid of this coalition govt.

I found no one who said they usually vote Lib Dem but voted UKIP but then again I rarely find anyone who would own up to voting Lib Dem now anyway.

[Kizzy]

That was the biggest shock to me... who has stayed loyal to lib dem after the last few years?

[MTVN]

Those who have witnessed the good work the Lib Dems might have done in their local area I presume, they have always had a strong reputation for the hard work and effort they put into local government

[Livia]

Everyone can see the Tories had a shellacking at the election. Even their most ardent supporter wouldn't disagree with that. Labour though... they never admit that their having a bad day. If they were on the Titanic, they'd say no, it's fine... we fancied a swim, and we're happy to see all our supporters have turned out to swim with us. Trust us. Vote for Ed... he was navigating when Brown crashed the car last time... but it'll be different next time, honest!