[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I'd love for her to stand up for herself more, but it's not as simple as that. If you don't have high confidence, or if you're feeling intimidated because of the situation, it's not so easy to fight back. That doesn't mean she's fair game or deserves it.

And even confident people who do fight back can be bullied. I highly doubt it would suddenly stop just because she argues back.

Good post.

If anything it would probably make it worse if she argued back. It would only give them more ammo and they would use her retalliation as an excuse to justify their behaviour towards her.

Plus if she argued back, it would make it look like a 50/50 argument which it isn't. Right now it's 100% from them. Her quietness is making it very obvious who the aggressors are.

In that sense, she is dealing with it perfectly by not falling into their trap. Retalliation is EXACTLY what they want her to do.

It's still not pleasant to watch though. Put yourself in Jale's shoes and it's a horrible place to be, whether you call it bullying or not.

[Livia]

It's a hard thing to stand up for yourself when you're suddenly a complete outsider. I was very young when I was bullied, I would react very differently today... but at the time I felt powerless and utterly alone. I actually think Jale's handling it really well, but it doesn't alter the fact that the behaviour being displayed by a group of them in there is classic bullying, led by Pauline and propped up by Helen and to an extent, Toya. Jale must know that BB would never let it go too far, but it must be a horrible feeling when she's not actually done anything wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

I love how a lot of people are forgetting how Jale ostracized herself on her first proper night in the house, and saying how she doesn't connect with any of them.

Yes they've been rude to her (not bullied there is a difference) but people should admit Jale's faults in this as well instead of turning her into a saint like people did with Jim Davidson in the last CBB.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I love how a lot of people are forgetting how Jale ostracized herself on her first proper night in the house, and saying how she doesn't connect with any of them.

Yes they've been rude to her (not bullied there is a difference) but people should admit Jale's faults in this as well instead of turning her into a saint like people did with Jim Davidson in the last CBB.

Jim Davidson won. Are you suggesting that everyone who voted for him was wrong and did it because they were gullible and not as quite as switched on as as those who were against him? People call it as they see it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

Jim Davidson won. Are you suggesting that everyone who voted for him was wrong and did it because they were gullible and not as quite as switched on as as those who were against him? People call it as they see it.

When did I say that in my post? I just said when people like someone they only point out the good stuff in them and not their bad points, and when people hate someone in BB they'll make out that everything that they do is wrong when it some cases they're not.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

When did I say that in my post? I just said when people like someone they only point out the good stuff in them and not their bad points, and when people hate someone in BB they'll make out that everything that they do is wrong when it some cases they're not.

I'm not sure that's true. I don't think any one could, with a clear conscience, say that Jim Davidson was always in the right. Likewise, Jale is not a saint. However, but if you compare her to Helen and Pauline for instance, she's well on her way to beatification. We haven't seem much of Jale except when she's being singled out by the pack. I actually think it's those who are excusing the behaviour we've witnessed who are the blinkered ones.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not sure that's true. I don't think any one could, with a clear conscience, say that Jim Davidson was always in the right. Likewise, Jale is not a saint. However, but if you compare her to Helen and Pauline for instance, she's well on her way to beatification. We haven't seem much of Jale except when she's being singled out by the pack. I actually think it's those who are excusing the behaviour we've witnessed who are the blinkered ones.

Check older posts out to do with that last CBB and see any Jim supporter say that Jim was in the wrong in one argument? I know I never found any.

And with Helen and Pauline I've said that they've been rude to Jale, but bullying is what Christopher suffered, he tried to get himself out of it and for now it looks like he has, Jale from her first proper night in the house wanted to be a victim by making out that no one wanted to speak to her, well of course they're not going to if your not making an effort silly woman.

[AnnieK]

I hate the way the word bully is thrown around these days, the more it's used the less impact it has especially for those who are actually being mercilessly bullied in real life. Lets not forget people have taken their own lives because they feel they have no where to turn / no way out. Jale is handling the situation well, the behaviour demonstrated on the show can be well be identified as bullying behaviour but jale is actually pretty hard, she takes it, knows they are dishing it out and doesn't react. Pauline, Helen and co would love her to react as it then justifies their feelings. A less self assured person could have either flipped or broken down by now. However you dress it up, childish name calling, pack mentality or bullying for me it makes pretty uncomfortably viewing and not entertaining as it's persistent. I found the Helen / Danielle argument entertainment because that's what it was, an argument. Not persistent, constant belittling and isolating behaviour.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I hate the way the word bully is thrown around these days, the more it's used the less impact it has especially for those who are actually being mercilessly bullied in real life. Lets not forget people have taken their own lives because they feel they have no where to turn / no way out. Jale is handling the situation well, the behaviour demonstrated on the show can be well be identified as bullying behaviour but jale is actually pretty hard, she takes it, knows they are dishing it out and doesn't react. Pauline, Helen and co would love her to react as it then justifies their feelings. A less self assured person could have either flipped or broken down by now. However you dress it up, childish name calling, pack mentality or bullying for me it makes pretty uncomfortably viewing and not entertaining as it's persistent. I found the Helen / Danielle argument entertainment because that's what it was, an argument. Not persistent, constant belittling and isolating behaviour.

You are right it is uncomfortable to watch.
Never before have I wanted to jump inside my tv & say something to another person as much as I have with Pauline.
That woman needs to be stood up to.
The sad thing is that people like her never really "get" just how bad they are & what an impact it has on another person's life.
A 10 minute interview with Emma if/when she get's evicted will never really get to the core of how awful she has been.

[mary poppins]

I would love jale to stand up for herself..but if she does she will probably come out the worst of it. helen is one of the worst hm ever...she has a nasty tongue and loves stirring the ****, wish she had never got that pass. so happy pauline is up and hope jale stays...that would give the rest a good kick up the backside...pauline should just sit on the couch and not utter a word until shes voted out because its painful to listen to the sh*** that comes out of her mouth!

[beardedbloke]

Originally Posted by mary poppins

.pauline should just sit on the couch and not utter a word until shes voted out because its painful to listen to the sh*** that comes out of her mouth!

Oh my. I just had the weirdest image come into my mind. Norman Bates as his mother sitting on the chair thinking 'I'll just sit here and be quiet, then they'll see how harmless I am. I wouldn't even hurt a fly'..... gave me the shivers it did

[Mystic Mock]

All hail Jale, apparently it's the only way to be fair.

[Marsh.]

Yes, victims of bullying can "get themselves out of it". It's as simple as that.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, victims of bullying can "get themselves out of it". It's as simple as that.

I'm saying he tried which is more than Jale who just isn't trying at all.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I'm saying he tried which is more than Jale who just isn't trying at all.

What is "trying" in your eyes?

What do you want her to do? Lick Helen's feet and grovel to be liked?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What is "trying" in your eyes?

What do you want her to do? Lick Helen's feet and grovel to be liked?

How about having some fun in the house, speak to people, and most importantly don't set people up into arguments just to try and make them look bad in front of the public and make yourself look sympathetic to the public.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

How about having some fun in the house, speak to people, and most importantly don't set people up into arguments just to try and make them look bad in front of the public and make yourself look sympathetic to the public.

This!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

How about having some fun in the house, speak to people, and most importantly don't set people up into arguments just to try and make them look bad in front of the public and make yourself look sympathetic to the public.

So Helen and Pauline are being set up to have arguments?

Ok then.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I'm saying he tried which is more than Jale who just isn't trying at all.

Of course she's tried. Several times she's sat with Pauline to try and sort things out and Pauline flips and refuses to speak to her.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Of course she's tried. Several times she's sat with Pauline to try and sort things out and Pauline flips and refuses to speak to her.

Pauline just can't accept other people point of view. If you don't agree with her she turns on you.

[Mystic Mock]

I've saved that picture, thanks for putting it up Vanessa.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I've saved that picture, thanks for putting it up Vanessa.

I like Helen, Steven and Toya. The only one i don't like is Pauline. Too overbearing.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I like Helen, Steven and Toya. The only one i don't like is Pauline. Too overbearing.

I like Helen and Steven there, I've got to admit that Toya's too horrible and annoying even for me.

[Mystic Mock]

At least Speidi took them on though, they didn't turn themselves into victims.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

At least Speidi took them on though, they didn't turn themselves into victims.

They were awesome!