[joeysteele]

I have always held back as to the word bullying on BB,except for Jade and co with Shilpa.
However, yes, this is bullying now and it is far from in any way nice to see and watch too.

[Saph]

I think because I watch so many shows focusing around bitchy women that this whole pauline/jale/helen thing seems pretty tame.. but I can see why people who aren't used to seeing stuff like this are feeling strongly about it.

[erinp5]

Ricky Gervais @rickygervais · 49m

Never seen blatant bullying in Big Brother like Helen & Pauline. Vile. Chris & Jale for the final!

[Black Dagger]

After the past couple of days, definitely.

Odious wench.

[Jack_]

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Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by Jack_

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Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me

Did she she not highlight in a quite elevated tone she was being blamed for everything. That to me showed it was affecting her.

She also showed signs of anxiety when talking about others walking away when she has tried to talk to them

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

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Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me

this just sounds like BS to me, bullying is bullying whether the victim wants to accept it as that or not. Also as noted she has mentioned and shown signs that it's getting to her.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What is big brother, what are the aims and objectives....
If BB intervenes constantly it's not really 'big brother' is it?

Well yes it is Kizzy because BB has always had rules.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

this just sounds like BS to me, bullying is bullying whether the victim wants to accept it as that or not. Also as noted she has mentioned and shown signs that it's getting to her.

True.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

this just sounds like BS to me, bullying is bullying whether the victim wants to accept it as that or not. Also as noted she has mentioned and shown signs that it's getting to her.

No the accusations of bullying are what's BS, different people cope with situations like this in different ways depending on how strong mentally a person they are. I don't feel like I could cope, I don't think someone like Ashleigh could cope either, but Jale seems perfectly strong minded enough to me so far to deal with it. If in the next few days it emerges she's getting upset by it and explicitly says she feels isolated and bullied then I'll retract all of this and agree that it's bullying. It isn't up to anyone else but the person themselves to determine whether they're being bullied or not. If you can deal with it it is just targeting and unnecessary nastiness, if it breaks you down it's bullying

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No the accusations of bullying are what's BS, different people cope with situations like this in different ways depending on how strong mentally a person they are. I don't feel like I could cope, I don't think someone like Ashleigh could cope either, but Jale seems perfectly strong minded enough to me so far to deal with it. If in the next few days it emerges she's getting upset by it and explicitly says she feels isolated and targeted then I'll retract all of this and agree that it's bullying. It isn't up to anyone else but the person themselves to determine whether they're being bullied or not. If you can deal with it it is just targeting and unnecessary nastiness, if it breaks you down it's bullying

If you believe all of this, then you will also agree that Deana wasn't bullied? Afterall she was strong through it all and stood up for herself.

Edit. Only using Deana as an example because I have seen so many times over the past day or so about how Deana was the only 'real' case of bullying etc

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

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Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me

Totally agree with this, I think how Jale is playing it is perfect, she is not rising to the provocation (though even her sister was surprised that she hadn't kicked off) Jale is aware of how well underdogs do in the house, and Helen and co are playing right into her hands.

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No the accusations of bullying are what's BS, different people cope with situations like this in different ways depending on how strong mentally a person they are. I don't feel like I could cope, I don't think someone like Ashleigh could cope either, but Jale seems perfectly strong minded enough to me so far to deal with it. If in the next few days it emerges she's getting upset by it and explicitly says she feels isolated and bullied then I'll retract all of this and agree that it's bullying. It isn't up to anyone else but the person themselves to determine whether they're being bullied or not. If you can deal with it it is just targeting and unnecessary nastiness, if it breaks you down it's bullying

We better stop protecting children bullied by abusive parents who think it's ok then! Or abused wife's who thinks its normal to be beaten and just accept it. That rational makes my blood boil, completely and utterly flawed

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Hofman

We better stop protecting children bullied by abusive parents who think it's ok then! Or abused wife's who thinks its normal to be beaten and just accept it. That rational makes my blood boil, completely and utterly flawed

Don't be ****ing ridiculous comparing some nasty comments and unnecessary targeting on a reality TV show to domestic violence where one partner controls the other through psychological and physical manipulation to convince them that they're fine and if they leave things will get worse. In fact you insinuating I'd support something like that is making MY blood boil, so quit it

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jack_

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Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me

...hmmm, it's really hard to comment fully because I missed last night's HL show with some of the 'Helen bullying'..?..so I don't know if it was bullying...

..anyway Jack, to an extent you're right and it's something that we use/schools use etc to detect bullying..'do you feel bullied..'..so that can cover quite a lot of things because it's to do with how situations/treatment of that person has made them feel when it comes to emotional/psychological bullying..?...I'm assuming that Jale hasn't said to BB that she feels bullied in the diary room otherwise I think they would have to/would have intervened..?..

..also if I recall, things like the 'slug' comment weren't something that Jale heard or were said directly to her/in earshot of her..(I may be wrong about that..)..so they would be mean/spiteful etc but not necessarily bullying...

..for me so far though, I would class Pauline's behaviour as bullying even if Jale herself didn't feel bullied because it's not so much to do with a 'mean girls' thing and more to do with how she almost 'sinisterly' tries to make people feel small and as though they're treatment is all their fault..she chose Jale for the killer nomination..?..that's cool, she had to choose someone and maybe she didn't get along with Jale so much/didn't like her but then she told Jale how it was all her fault that she'd nominated her and tried to make her feel awful about herself..maybe she didn't think Jale felt quite awful enough..?..so she then went on to try to influence the others but not just in thyeir opinion of Jale which she wanted to be the same as hers but also influence their treatment of Jale and their behaviour toward her, which was to isolate her...the words 'you must isolate Jale/we must isolate Jale..' may not have been used, they wouldn't would they..?..but she was quite aware of her influence over some of the housemates and to me, that;s the 'message' she was giving them and that is also a definition of bullying Jack...

..it's hard also I think when you're actually in that situation and for Jale there are lots of other things like being cut off from her support group/knowing that she's up for eviction each week etc..and even if she felt bullied..?..would expressing that to BB make her a 'pity me' to the public and vote her out etc...there may be reasons why she's reluctant to say anything openly either to BB or the other housemates in a 'confrontational' way...I guess with Helen, she's got her pass to the final so she feels she can act any way she wants to and maybe the more awful the better because it'll get her airtime..?..but with Jale, she's the opposite with a ki8ller nomination so maybe she feels that just 'keeping a lower profile' and not reacting etc or expressing 'bullying' to BB would be the best thing atm..?...

[Kizzy]

What is big brother, what are the aims and objectives....
If BB intervenes constantly it's not really 'big brother' is it?

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What is big brother, what are the aims and objectives....
If BB intervenes constantly it's not really 'big brother' is it?

Do we not remember BB5 fight night, or Shilpa?

Rules are needed for a reason!

Without rules it would dissolve in to the Hunger Games

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Hofman

Do we not remember BB5 fight night, or Shilpa?

Rules are needed for a reason!

Without rules it would dissolve in to the Hunger Games

Those cases included violence and racial slurs... neither of which have occurred here.
This is the name of the game... of course it's possible that bb has spoken to jale and asked how she feels and if she's fine then there's no need to intervene.

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Those cases included violence and racial slurs... neither of which have occurred here.
This is the name of the game... of course it's possible that bb has spoken to jale and asked how she feels and if she's fine then there's no need to intervene.

I agree with what you are saying in many ways, I just think BB needs to demonstrate to the viewers that they are monitoring how she is feeling and coping with the situation. Then at least we will know if intervention is really necessary.

[Samm]

This is my view on it, Helen was being harsh to Jale in tonight's episode that's why I have gone off Helen, some of it can be classed as bullying but imo it's not as bad as previous years for example the first week of BB7 & CBB5 imo also BB3, but I get annyoned when people on here class toya and Kimberly as the bullies as well just because both like Helen

[Cal.]

Helen is not bullying Jale, the situation is going over the top now and it better not turn out in some mass rebellion or something by the fans because it's completely over the top. I haven't agreed with some of the things Helen has done, like the lip balm thing and calling her a slug, but I think Helen speaks before she thinks and I think once she sits back and thinks about what she's doing/done, she'll show her decent side and apologize, much like she did with Danielle. That's my personal opinion, obviously it could change but if she persists I will not be happy.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Helen is not bullying Jale, the situation is going over the top now and it better not turn out in some mass rebellion or something by the fans because it's completely over the top. I haven't agreed with some of the things Helen has done, like the lip balm thing and calling her a slug, but I think Helen speaks before she thinks and I think once she sits back and thinks about what she's doing/done, she'll show her decent side and apologize, much like she did with Danielle. That's my personal opinion, obviously it could change but if she persists I will not be happy.

Well good for her then

She can be a total **** but its ok as long as she apologizes?

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Well good for her then

She can be a total **** but its ok as long as she apologizes?

Of course it's OK

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Well good for her then

She can be a total **** but its ok as long as she apologizes?

Well I don't see Toya being accused of being a bully but people seem to think that it's okay if she apologized to Helen, why the different rules for Helen?

I think people need to watch the first week of BB7 and CBB5 like someone said earlier before they start all this **** about Helen.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Well I don't see Toya being accused of being a bully but people seem to think that it's okay if she apologized to Helen, why the different rules for Helen?

I think people need to watch the first week of BB7 and CBB5 like someone said earlier before they start all this **** about Helen.

As far as we've seen, toya hasn't been completely OTT nasty at Jale for NO reason like Helen.