[daniel-lewis-1985]

Did anyone else change their opinion of Winston last night? I felt like I saw the real side of him, Toya was right she calculated exactly what would happen, whos true colours would come out by splitting up "the gang" which Ash had called his "crew" and had the audacity to say this like they were better than anyone else in there.

His dumb act seem to slip and Toya mocking it was hilarious "err im Winston du uh duh" HAHA.

Im probably in the minority who sees it but does anyone else think Winstons been putting on this fake act this whole time and it took him to be nominated to have a tantrum? He looked like he was holding back a lot aswell trying to save face.

[chuff me dizzy]

What personality ? hes one of the fakest hm8s ever

[Niamh.]

Yeah for sure, loved her choices so much, she really shook things up in there and it was much needed, great change to the way it usually goes in there, the popular kids out number the individuals and we're forced to evict them week after week. Pity it'll probably be Toya who goes though

[Ammi]

..yeah it really was a 'true colour' argument and brought out a really interesting and not in a good way side to Ash/Winston and Marlon....

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Did anyone else change their opinion of Winston last night? I felt like I saw the real side of him, Toya was right she calculated exactly what would happen, whos true colours would come out by splitting up "the gang" which Ash had the audacity to say like they were better than anyone else in there.

His dumb act seem to slip and Toya mocking it was hilarious "err im Winston du uh duh" HAHA.

Im probably in the minority who sees it but does anyone else think Winstons been putting on this fake act this whole time and it took him to be nominated to have a tantrum? He looked like he was holding back a lot aswell trying to save face.

I didnt really have any opinion of him at all but seeing him put the bint back in her box has made him my No.1 fave!!

GET TOYA OUT!

[smudgie]

I have yet to see any personality belonging to Winston.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I have yet to see any personality belonging to Winston.

I just thought he was a genuine nice guy.

He definitely is not.

[chuff me dizzy]

Why didnt anyone tell him to shut his childish mouth and grow up when he stood spinning lies to them the other day about the shark ? the spewing BS was bad enough but hes getting worse by the episode ,sick on nude women ? fighting sharks ? now sex in his sleep ? GROW UP little boy

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Why didnt anyone tell him to shut his childish mouth and grow up when he stood spinning lies to them the other day about the shark ? the spewing BS was bad enough but hes getting worse by the episode ,sick on nude women ? fighting sharks ? now sex in his sleep ? GROW UP little boy

Thought he did actually have an incident with a shark he has a huge scar on his arm.

Hoping Toya can do a Gina and the public save her simply for being entertaining.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Thought he did actually have an incident with a shark he has a huge scar on his arm.

Hoping Toya can do a Gina and the public save her simply for being entertaining.

Load of bollox if you ask me ,as if it was done by a shark ? hes not wrapped up right lying swine him

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Load of bollox if you ask me ,as if it was done by a shark ? hes not wrapped up right lying swine him

It does look like it though, have you seen it its looks like his arm was sown back on lol its a very big scar looks like a shark bite to me.

[00Jamie00]

He stood up for himself

[Verbal]

It changed my opinion of him...a bit. Was good to see him stick up for himself. But he is so thick and slow with comebacks.

When he talks, or when he's about to you can see the cogs of his brain firing up and your sat there looking at him waiting for what he's gonna say.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Verbal

It changed my opinion of him...a bit. Was good to see him stick up for himself. But he is so thick and slow with comebacks.

When he talks, or when he's about to you can see the cogs of his brain firing up and your sat there looking at him waiting for what he's gonna say.

I think those cogs are him thinking *calm down Winston don't kick off you're up for eviction down blow your dumb character you created.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

I think those cogs are him thinking *calm down Winston don't kick off you're up for eviction down blow your dumb character you created.

I don't get the impression that there is an aggressive bone in his body, let alone against women.

I hate the attitude where people say 'you can't talk like that to a woman'. Well, sorry, if she's mouthing off at me she's gonna get a mouthful back.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Verbal

I don't get the impression that there is an aggressive bone in his body, let alone against women.

I hate the attitude where people say 'you can't talk like that to a woman'. Well, sorry, if she's mouthing off at me she's gonna get a mouthful back.

Who said he was aggressive or anything about his actions towards women?

That's not what the threads about please don't bring the annoying sexism, aggression talk we get every year into this thread its going to take it into a sexism debate which this is not about.

Its just about him showing a different side and not him being aggressive or the fact his argument was with a woman.

Please, please lets not go down that route.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Who said he was aggressive or anything about his actions towards women?

That's not what the threads about please don't bring the annoying sexism, aggression talk we get every year into this thread its going to take it into a sexism debate which this is not about.

Its just about him showing a different side and not him being aggressive or the fact his argument was with a woman.

Please, please lets not go down that route.

I thought this was about him arguing with Toya, and Danielle saying 'you can't talk to a woman like that'

Whatever, carry on

[Josy]

I don't get how retaliating to someone shouting at you makes you a bad person. Must just be me though.

[Me. I Am Salman]

i didn't really see a different side him, he was his usual boring irrelevant self. I do think he's a nice person

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Verbal

I don't get the impression that there is an aggressive bone in his body, let alone against women.

I hate the attitude where people say 'you can't talk like that to a woman'. Well, sorry, if she's mouthing off at me she's gonna get a mouthful back.

[Drew.]

I hate the saying "Did he/she show their real side"

He's been exactly the same guy throughout the two weeks, he's been calm and hes been having a good laugh in the house.. You can't class one moment where he's been annoyed/angry and got into an argument as someones real side.. that goes for the rest of the housemates too.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Drew.

I hate the saying "Did he/she show their real side"

He's been exactly the same guy throughout the two weeks, he's been calm and hes been having a good laugh in the house.. You can't class one moment where he's been annoyed/angry and got into an argument as someones real side.. that goes for the rest of the housemates too.

..I think for me though it's more that Toya was just being exactly how she has also been from the start and I also have found her very annoying, who wouldn't if they had to live with her..?..so the argument was less about his reaction to her and more about his reaction to being up for eviction which was the telling part and the same as the rest of 'the gang of untouchables'...

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think for me though it's more that Toya was just being exactly how she has also been from the start and I also have found her very annoying, who wouldn't if they had to live with her..?..so the argument was less about his reaction to her and more about his reaction to being up for eviction which was the telling part and the same as the rest of 'the gang of untouchables'...

He seemed like he was influenced by his friends speaking up and used that as a way to join in and let his frustration out which to me comes across as someone who isn't brave enough to take on someone by himself and maybe isn't used to it. He comes across immature and pretty stupid but we all knew that before last night. All i learnt from him last nights episode is that he panics during confrontations and uses insulting words as his way to get to someone rather than personal insults by the way they act or something they've done in the past.

I wouldn't class myself as a fan of him at all.. But the guy had no idea what to say during the argument. He doesn't strike me as someone who sits there and listens to other peoples conversations whilst building up his own views and opinions on housemates. Toya thrives of that, she knew exactly what to say during the argument, she has bad things to say about people already stored up just waiting to come out. Winston is definitely misunderstood in there.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Drew.

He seemed like he was influenced by his friends speaking up and used that as a way to join in and let his frustration out which to me comes across as someone who isn't brave enough to take on someone by himself and maybe isn't used to it. He comes across immature and pretty stupid but we all knew that before last night. All i learnt from him last nights episode is that he panics during confrontations and uses insulting words as his way to get to someone rather than personal insults by the way they act or something they've done in the past.

I wouldn't class myself as a fan of him at all.. But the guy had no idea what to say during the argument. He doesn't strike me as someone who sits there and listens to other peoples conversations whilst building up his own views and opinions on housemates. Toya thrives of that, she knew exactly what to say during the argument, she has bad things to say about people already stored up just waiting to come out. Winston is definitely misunderstood in there.

...hmm, with Toya..?..credit to her though that she did hold her own against all three of them because no one else really said much or got involved, even Helen who is often quite outspoken and although just by being the Power Housemate and having to make those decisions would have meant that in a way yeah, she would have been 'ready' for confrontations more/more prepared etc..?..I don't think that she would have foreseen all three of them reacting like that so I don't think she would have known exactly what to say but was also herself in a reaction and quite defensive situation...I know she has her flaws and how that must frustrate anyone around her and maybe cause them to lose their temper etc...especially as they just realised they were up for eviction but I still also think that it's how housemates react to these things that is a large part of the show and our 'judgement' of them and to me the insults from all of them was pretty telling of their characters...I think you're right in that to react in anger or annoyance would be quite 'normal' but thyen it's how you are with that anger..the things you say etc and 'how low you go..'....

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmm, with Toya..?..credit to her though that she did hold her own against all three of them because no one else really said much or got involved, even Helen who is often quite outspoken and although just by being the Power Housemate and having to make those decisions would have meant that in a way yeah, she would have been 'ready' for confrontations more/more prepared etc..?..I don't think that she would have foreseen all three of them reacting like that so I don't think she would have known exactly what to say but was also herself in a reaction and quite defensive situation...I know she has her flaws and how that must frustrate anyone around her and maybe cause them to lose their temper etc...especially as they just realised they were up for eviction but I still also think that it's how housemates react to these things that is a large part of the show and our 'judgement' of them and to me the insults from all of them was pretty telling of their characters...I think you're right in that to react in anger or annoyance would be quite 'normal' but thyen it's how you are with that anger..the things you say etc and 'how low you go..'....

Yeah, nobody could have expected all 3 of them to suddenly pipe up and have a go at her so she wouldn't have been prepared.. but she thrives of bitching, she sits there and talks about housemates a lot & thinks about them regularly.. she has very strong opinions on every housemate which then comes as a strength to her when arguments do finally come around. I think Winston is the complete opposite, he's a bit of a wuss and his only arguments towards her were "do one" and "**** off".. if i was on the end of an argument i'd rather be told to do one than have someone insult me or embarrass me in front of everyone like Toya did. Neither came away from the argument well in my opinion, i just think hes very misunderstood at this stage.. if he continues to start bickering, arguing and bitching from now on then that will definitely be classed as showing his true personality and real side, but from one very weak argument it's harsh to put that kind of label on someone.