[joeysteele]

The pass when given was not a pass to just be a finalist, it was a 'free pass to the final'.
That is what was said,it means Helen is one of the finalists left 'on the final day' of the series.

To be gone any earlier would mean it was not a pass to the final at all.

[mrflibble]

Originally Posted by HBB1508

I would agree with this, as when Helen got her pass they did say congratulations you are now a big brother finalist - so if they announce to the house this Friday after the eviction that everyone is now a finalist in big brother then I would take it that Helens pass is finished as she would then be a finalist - semantics I know but that's how I see it.

Yeah that's how I took it. If on Friday they said 'you are all finalists' it means THEY ARE ALL IN THE FINAL. They said she had a pass to the final and was a finalist, not a pass to the final night (I think). If everyone is a finalist then they are all on equal grounds and therefore she shouldn't get more specialist treatment. If they don't say they are all finalists then they can get away with it.

Either way, I agree that Ash would be first out in VTE (assuming Pav goes tomorrow)

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Big Brother finalists are housemates that are present in the house on the very last day during the final show...yes that's right...the actual final. The last show. The Final. The show where Emma evicts everyone from the house and crowns a winner. The same show that happens on the last day of every series ever. Remember that? It's called the final, and that's what Helen has a pass to. Not the final week, or the final 'line up' (which by the way is all of the people present on the last day, if you're evicted before the final you aren't a finalist)...the actual final.

So can people drop the act of pretending they don't know what a pass to the final means because they're desperate to have her leave before the end. You just know if that pass had gone to a dullard we wouldn't be having this ridiculous discussion which only has one answer to it.

Exactly. Regardless of when the vote opens, the finalists are all those left inside the house on the very last day.

Her pass guaranteed her to stay right until the end.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Big Brother finalists are housemates that are present in the house on the very last day during the final show...yes that's right...the actual final. The last show. The Final. The show where Emma evicts everyone from the house and crowns a winner. The same show that happens on the last day of every series ever. Remember that? It's called the final, and that's what Helen has a pass to. Not the final week, or the final 'line up' (which by the way is all of the people present on the last day, if you're evicted before the final you aren't a finalist)...the actual final.

So can people drop the act of pretending they don't know what a pass to the final means because they're desperate to have her leave before the end. You just know if that pass had gone to a dullard we wouldn't be having this ridiculous discussion which only has one answer to it.

Excellent summing up again Jack_

[Achilles]

Week 10 is THE FINAL
Friday 15th is THE FINAL NIGHT
This Friday after the 2 evictions, the 6 remaining housemates have made the final.
They could evict 1 or even 2 before the final night and that wouldn't change the fact that they made the FINAL.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The pass when given was not a pass to just be a finalist, it was a 'free pass to the final'.
That is what was said,it means Helen is one of the finalists left 'on the final day' of the series.

To be gone any earlier would mean it was not a pass to the final at all.

Depends what you regard the final to be. The World Snooker Final starts on a Saturday and generally ends on a Monday night. Some people have won with a session to spare however. It doesn't mean the other person wasn't a finalist because he didn't get to the last session to be played.

Helen is a finalist the moment the vote to win opens. I don't recall them saying anything other than her being a "finalist". As long as she's part of the final vote to win then she was.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Big Brother finalists are housemates that are present in the house on the very last day during the final show...yes that's right...the actual final. The last show. The Final.

No, Big Brother finalists are those involved in the final vote. Which helen would be.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The pass when given was not a pass to just be a finalist, it was a 'free pass to the final'.
That is what was said,it means Helen is one of the finalists left 'on the final day' of the series.

To be gone any earlier would mean it was not a pass to the final at all.

Do you think? I would have thought it meant she was just a finalist and eligible to be voted for once the Vote to Win lines open, how else would that work?

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly. Regardless of when the vote opens, the finalists are all those left inside the house on the very last day.

Her pass guaranteed her to stay right until the end.

No, it guaranteed she was a finalist. And the finalist is anyone involved in the final vote.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Week 10 is THE FINAL

Of course it is.

So Craig BB6, Stu BB5 both made the final did they?

They didn't have Davina evicting them 2 days beforehand?

[VanessaFeltz.]

Anyways we owe her at least 4th place.

[Josy]

I'm guessing vote to win lines will open and the one with the least votes gets evicted mid week maybe?

Obviously not including Helen because I think she will be there right up til final night because of the pass?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Do you think? I would have thought it meant she was just a finalist and eligible to be voted for once the Vote to Win lines open, how else would that work?

A finalist is a housemate still in the house on the final day. Hence the word "final".

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Depends what you regard the final to be. The World Snooker Final starts on a Saturday and generally ends on a Monday night. Some people have won with a session to spare however. It doesn't mean the other person wasn't a finalist because he didn't get to the last session to be played.

Helen is a finalist the moment the vote to win opens. I don't recall them saying anything other than her being a "finalist". As long as she's part of the final vote to win then she was.

Pardon, the Snooker final only has 2 people in it from the Saturday to the Monday and they are both obviously there until the end of Monday night when one wins and the other is a runner up.
I don't get your point as to that one I'm afraid.

Except that as a final, the people really in the final should be there until the very end.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Of course it is.

So Craig BB6, Stu BB5 both made the final did they?

They didn't have Davina evicting them 2 days beforehand?

They were both involved in the final vote. So yes, they were. They just didn't make the last night.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

They were both involved in the final vote. So yes, they were. They just didn't make the last night.

No, they were evicted before the final. As Davina used to repeat a million times.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by mrflibble

Yeah that's how I took it. If on Friday they said 'you are all finalists' it means THEY ARE ALL IN THE FINAL. They said she had a pass to the final and was a finalist, not a pass to the final night (I think). If everyone is a finalist then they are all on equal grounds and therefore she shouldn't get more specialist treatment. If they don't say they are all finalists then they can get away with it.

Either way, I agree that Ash would be first out in VTE (assuming Pav goes tomorrow)

Yeah if they said they're all finalists...they are all finalists and aren't being evicted until...you guessed it...the final night. Which is the final. If they're planning to have a midweek eviction then telling them they're all finalists is a deliberate lie to give them a false sense of security, and I don't actually recall them ever having done that. Usually they tell them they're finalists when there's going to be no more evictions.

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Depends what you regard the final to be. The World Snooker Final starts on a Saturday and generally ends on a Monday night. Some people have won with a session to spare however. It doesn't mean the other person wasn't a finalist because he didn't get to the last session to be played.

Helen is a finalist the moment the vote to win opens. I don't recall them saying anything other than her being a "finalist". As long as she's part of the final vote to win then she was.

Actually the World Snooker Final begins on a Sunday but this is a totally useless comparison. The snooker final is a two day event, the Big Brother final is a one night event. Not a weeks long, there isn't live shows every night. It's one night. At the end of the series. Of every series. That's one thing that doesn't change. If you don't make the final night, you aren't a finalist. This isn't even up for discussion, you all know full well what a finalist is and you're just pretending you don't because you're desperate for her to leave somehow before the final show.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Pardon, the Snooker final only has 2 people in it from the Saturday to the Monday and they are both obviously there until the end of Monday night when one wins and the other is a runner up.
I don't get your point as to that one I'm afraid.

The snooker final is divided up into sessions. There is a final session, but sometimes one player has already beaten the other before they get to it. Think of final night as the final session.

Except that as a final, the people really in the final should be there until the very end.

No, they should be finalists and that's it. If they go out before the very last night, that doesn't mean they weren't part of the final vote.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

A finalist is a housemate still in the house on the final day. Hence the word "final".

Nah, I think a finalist is those who are eligible to be in the Vote to Win, it wouldn't really be fair otherwise imo

[Marsh.]

Snooker and Big Brother are two entirely different things, worlds apart. So instead of making a useless comparison, use the actual 14 years of BB history.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nah, I think a finalist is those who are eligible to be in the Vote to Win, it wouldn't really be fair otherwise imo

It's not about what you think. It's about facts lady.

A finalist is there to the last night of the show.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

No, Big Brother finalists are those involved in the final vote. Which helen would be.

No they are not, finalists are those who are there in the BIG BROTHER FINAL. You know that live show that's listed like that on TV guides on the last day of each series? Yeah that's right it's called the final, and that's where the pass takes her. If you don't make the final show, you are NOT a finalist. You are an evictee.

As I've already said, had this pass gone to a dullard (thank God it didn't) we wouldn't be having this discussion and none of the people crying all series for her to leave before the final would have cared.

[puzzled]

Let's face it, BB doesn't care about fair, and they could come up with a new twist, or a new definition of what The Final is. Could be anything. This whole season has been off-the-wall.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yeah if they said they're all finalists...they are all finalists and aren't being evicted until...you guessed it...the final night.

They can be. And they would still be finalists because the final is about the vote to win.

Which is the final. If they're planning to have a midweek eviction then telling them they're all finalists is a deliberate lie to give them a false sense of security, and I don't actually recall them ever having done that. Usually they tell them they're finalists when there's going to be no more evictions.

They would be going out because of a final vote to win and they came bottom. They were still finalists.

Actually the World Snooker Final begins on a Sunday but this is a totally useless comparison. The snooker final is a two day event, the Big Brother final is a one night event.

That's absurd. The Big Brother final begins the moment the Vote to win begins. It is the culmination of the voting. Obviously.

Not a weeks long, there isn't live shows every night. It's one night. At the end of the series. Of every series. That's one thing that doesn't change. If you don't make the final night, you aren't a finalist. This isn't even up for discussion, you all know full well what a finalist is and you're just pretending you don't because you're desperate for her to leave somehow before the final show.

The Big Brother final crowns a winner after days of voting. The final therefore begins when the voting to win begins.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Do you think? I would have thought it meant she was just a finalist and eligible to be voted for once the Vote to Win lines open, how else would that work?

It isn't a free pass to be a finalist though Niamh, it was a free pass to the final.

I cannot recall what happened the week after when Luke S and Conor had the chance of one getting money and the other a pass to the final.

However the outcome was that Luke S. got the pass to the final and was there right until the final night's results.
After very narrowly escaping going out the week before they did the pass to the final for one and money for the other.