[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

I guess she's genderqueer then, we should only use the pronouns that Kellie wishes us to use otherwise it is insulting to him or her.

Agree, was just pointing out that the usual 'she identifies as a woman' argument doesnt appear to apply here

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Kellie doesnt seem to identify as either man or woman though? From the little we have seen (and I only saw VTs and a little of LF) she sees herself as having both man and woman inside her...and a different personality for each :S

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Kellie doesnt seem to identify as either man or woman though? From the little we have seen (and I only saw VTs and a little of LF) she sees herself as having both man and woman inside her...and a different personality for each :S

I'm a bit reluctant to go down this road on this forum again but if this is the case it sounds like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigender

I guess we'll learn more over the next few weeks

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm a bit reluctant to go down this road on this forum again but if this is the case it sounds like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigender

I guess we'll learn more over the next few weeks

Tbh it came across to me as more of a split personality thing..she kinda made out like she had..suppressed her male side but it comes out when shes angry. The whole area is intriguing

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

She apparently disagrees.

No sh*t sherlock.

Originally Posted by adamski94

But her mind doesnt work that way inside she is a woman

Yes. Frankie is a woman's name.

Originally Posted by Tom!

Not even 24 hours and theres already transphobia. I hope karma makes it way around to you.

He'll get the tea and biscuits ready.

[arista]

Over 60
he left it to late

[Denver]

Originally Posted by arista

Over 60
he left it to late

there is no age limit

[arista]

Originally Posted by adamski94

there is no age limit

Of Course

[T*]

Not even 24 hours and theres already transphobia. I hope karma makes it way around to you.

[Heaven = Winner]

I'd call Kellie a woman, just because it's the respectful thing to do tbh.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by RobInnes

I see Ermentrude for him tbh.

I prefer Emily.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I prefer Emily.

Omg this bitch

[Nell_McCoy]

From what I have seen so far I like Kellie as a person and were I in her company i would have the good manners to refer to her as "she" and treat her as a woman, however I do not see this as some kind of right which a person can demand. Any woman has a right to regard an individual in possession of a penis as being male. If a man has the courage and tenacity to part with his penis and testicles I believe they then have a RIGHT to be regarded legally and in every other way as being female. Many people believe many bizarre things about themselves it does not necessarily make it so. I object to being referred to as a "Cis" woman, I am a woman and do not need the transgender community to create a prefix for me. I am NOT transphobic, I do not have an unnatural fear or dislike of transexual people, I support those wishing to have a sex change operation and would treat them with dignity and respect, until the operation is complete a M2F transexual is sadly, scientifically still male no matter how much they may wish otherwise.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Nell_McCoy

From what I have seen so far I like Kellie as a person and were I in her company i would have the good manners to refer to her as "she" and treat her as a woman, however I do not see this as some kind of right which a person can demand. Any woman has a right to regard an individual in possession of a penis as being male. If a man has the courage and tenacity to part with his penis and testicles I believe they then have a RIGHT to be regarded legally and in every other way as being female. Many people believe many bizarre things about themselves it does not necessarily make it so. I object to being referred to as a "Cis" woman, I am a woman and do not need the transgender community to create a prefix for me. I am NOT transphobic, I do not have an unnatural fear or dislike of transexual people, I support those wishing to have a sex change operation and would treat them with dignity and respect, until the operation is complete a M2F transexual is sadly, scientifically still male no matter how much they may wish otherwise.

But you are a cis woman, right? Cisgender means you're happy with the sex assigned at birth, Transgender being the opposite.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Cisgender means you're happy with the sex assigned at birth

They have a word for that?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Nell_McCoy

From what I have seen so far I like Kellie as a person and were I in her company i would have the good manners to refer to her as "she" and treat her as a woman, however I do not see this as some kind of right which a person can demand. Any woman has a right to regard an individual in possession of a penis as being male. If a man has the courage and tenacity to part with his penis and testicles I believe they then have a RIGHT to be regarded legally and in every other way as being female. Many people believe many bizarre things about themselves it does not necessarily make it so. I object to being referred to as a "Cis" woman, I am a woman and do not need the transgender community to create a prefix for me. I am NOT transphobic, I do not have an unnatural fear or dislike of transexual people, I support those wishing to have a sex change operation and would treat them with dignity and respect, until the operation is complete a M2F transexual is sadly, scientifically still male no matter how much they may wish otherwise.

Cisgender is not a word created by the transgender community, it's a sociological definition for people that feel their biological sex matches their assigned gender (which is what you're misunderstanding here, there is a difference between the two). It is anything but offensive, but some like to believe it is because it's a new word they've never seen before that looks a bit complicated~

[warrenhill]

I have spoken to BET 365 and they said...

"He is in there as a woman" .....


Anyway by the sound of things Kellie wont last that long in the house

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by warrenhill

I have spoken to BET 365 and they said...

"He is in there as a woman" .....


Anyway by the sound of things Kellie wont last that long in the house

They used the wrong pronoun then. it's she.

[Nell_McCoy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Cisgender is not a word created by the transgender community, it's a sociological definition for people that feel their biological sex matches their assigned gender (which is what you're misunderstanding here, there is a difference between the two). It is anything but offensive, but some like to believe it is because it's a new word they've never seen before that looks a bit complicated~

The term has only been in use since the 1990's in relation to gender identity. That to me makes it a NEW word despite the fact that it is derived from Latin.
Don't I have the right to decide what I want to be called?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Nell_McCoy

The term has only been in use since the 1990's in relation to gender identity. That to me makes it a NEW word despite the fact that it is derived from Latin.
Don't I have the right to decide what I want to be called?

.. if it's a term that correctly describes your gender identity why would you be angry at this?

[Nell_McCoy]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

.. if it's a term that correctly describes your gender identity why would you be angry at this?

How about because it is just ridiculous and women have had all kinds of male-defined labels attached to them for millenia, why should I not have the right to say that I do not wish to be labelled in this way? Furthermore I don't need to justify my feelings to a male who is no doubt still in his teens on an internet forum OK End of....

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Cisgender is not a word created by the transgender community, it's a sociological definition for people that feel their biological sex matches their assigned gender (which is what you're misunderstanding here, there is a difference between the two). It is anything but offensive, but some like to believe it is because it's a new word they've never seen before that looks a bit complicated~

I was trying to find out about that when Facebook added all of it's gender indenty options. I don't quite understand cisgender's definition though. You agree with your biological gender? So I'm a man and believe I'm a man, I am cisgender?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by warrenhill

Be in the betting for .."Top woman"....


Just cause you have womens clothes on and call yourself Kellie surely doesnt make you a women?


You can put a dress on a pig but underneath its still a pig.....

I agree

[sampvt]

This Frank/Kellie thing is doing my head in. I am not a homophobe, in fact my eldest is gay, but he isn't effeminate, he is pretty masculine but prefers the company of men and he has a regular partner he lives with, so please don't get on my case like some people always do when this subject rears its head.

I have been researching Frank Maloney's story and it just does not ad up. He is homophobic for a start. He calls gays queers and puffs and when he went with U kip, he was pretty damming against them. He is not on record as coming out for sexual reasons, in fact the best I could find was that last year or a little earlier, he went through depression and then decided to tell his wife of over 20yrs, he was a cross dresser.

They got divorced and now all of a sudden, the cross dressing thing has sprouted wings and she is getting shed loads of dosh for her story but after 60 yrs of being a macho man/heterosexual, she now wants to be treated like a lady. She is regarded as a lady in every way, but can she legally go into a ladies loo, can she walk into a ladies shower, indeed can she legally do things now that men like me would be arrested for just because she has a dress and a very bad hairdo.

I am a sceptic (my right) and I am beginning to think that this isn't Kelly the real transgender person, but maybe its a man that can see a way of making money from a situation as a way to resurrect his flagging career and get back into the limelight and be very handsomely rewarded.

Is she indeed doing real transgenders, that struggle for acceptance, a big dishonour, or should we the public simply drop protocol and massage his ego by giving her a great big sympathy card vote, because the real and honest truth is that, if she went in there as Frank Maloney, he would be out on his ear in no time as Frank Maloney was a bit of a dick and a social outcast, if you go by his bios.

Only time will tell, but the typical tell tale signs of a transgender type are defo missing from Kelly's actions. In fact if you look at her, she is a tad creepy round the good looking girls in the house but stays away from the not so pretty ones. In fact to the untrained eye and someone who didn't know his back story, she comes across as a very bad drag act and a bit of a pervert by virtue of his actions, hand holding, stroking, leering and all round creepy actions.

She even sits like an Irish navvy and talks like someone drugged up. You would think that Kelly would make an effort to look more feminine and drop the whole me me me thing that is struggling for acceptance, its all way too strange for me and I was wondering how many FM's felt the same.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by sampvt

This Frank/Kellie thing is doing my head in. I am not a homophobe, in fact my eldest is gay, but he isn't effeminate, he is pretty masculine but prefers the company of men and he has a regular partner he lives with, so please don't get on my case like some people always do when this subject rears its head.

I have been researching Frank Maloney's story and it just does not ad up. He is homophobic for a start. He calls gays queers and puffs and when he went with U kip, he was pretty damming against them. He is not on record as coming out for sexual reasons, in fact the best I could find was that last year or a little earlier, he went through depression and then decided to tell his wife of over 20yrs, he was a cross dresser.

They got divorced and now all of a sudden, the cross dressing thing has sprouted wings and she is getting shed loads of dosh for her story but after 60 yrs of being a macho man/heterosexual, she now wants to be treated like a lady. She is regarded as a lady in every way, but can she legally go into a ladies loo, can she walk into a ladies shower, indeed can she legally do things now that men like me would be arrested for just because she has a dress and a very bad hairdo.

I am a sceptic (my right) and I am beginning to think that this isn't Kelly the real transgender person, but maybe its a man that can see a way of making money from a situation as a way to resurrect his flagging career and get back into the limelight and be very handsomely rewarded.

Is she indeed doing real transgenders, that struggle for acceptance, a big dishonour, or should we the public simply drop protocol and massage his ego by giving her a great big sympathy card vote, because the real and honest truth is that, if she went in there as Frank Maloney, he would be out on his ear in no time as Frank Maloney was a bit of a dick and a social outcast, if you go by his bios.

Only time will tell, but the typical tell tale signs of a transgender type are defo missing from Kelly's actions. In fact if you look at her, she is a tad creepy round the good looking girls in the house but stays away from the not so pretty ones. In fact to the untrained eye and someone who didn't know his back story, she comes across as a very bad drag act and a bit of a pervert by virtue of his actions, hand holding, stroking, leering and all round creepy actions.

She even sits like an Irish navvy and talks like someone drugged up. You would think that Kelly would make an effort to look more feminine and drop the whole me me me thing that is struggling for acceptance, its all way too strange for me and I was wondering how many FM's felt the same.

I thought i was the only one to think this tbh, but i agree with what you said in bold.. Her past as part of UKIP and being homophobic and then deciding she wanted to become a women didn't quite add up in my head.. And if she truly does feel like she should be like a woman, then how come she isn't used to doing her make up? Most transgender people would say that they tried putting make up on in secret and stuff, so that didn't quit ring true to me
Don't get me wrong, if it's all genuine and she truly does want to transition, good on her and good luck t her.. but i am a bit skeptical about it all