[Rob!]

Daily star claiming that the two had a massive screaming row that "they daren't show you on TV."
Can't find a link, but it's on the front page tomorrow.

[puzzled]

Dee was yelling and pointing her finger at Gary. How come James didn't run over and tell her that people don't do that in THIS country.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by puzzled

Dee was yelling and pointing her finger at Gary. How come James didn't run over and tell her that people don't do that in THIS country.

This.

[puzzled]

Why does she care how seriously Gary takes the game anyway? She just wanted to play wise Mum to Gary, and play one upmanship, and made a fool of herself.

[the truth]

i love how he picked her up on her flippancy .......shes done that many times when hes poured his heart out, shes like yeah whatever...ignorant

[Semtex]

The only thing that Gary has been found guilty of stealing is scenes from other actors.

The only thing that Dee has been found guilty of stealing is Ł13,000 from the most vulnerable people in her community.

Dee has no compassion, it's all an act. I dare not say that she has worked the system. claiming depression is so hard to debunk.

Gary has many actual illnesses, and has continued working through them.

I don't think that Dee had depression, I think she had shame.

Shame of showing her face after getting caught stealing, no shame where she lived because that is a closed community. she seems ok now because the money is flowing in.

If "salt of the earth" Dee moves back onto that street I will show my bare arse to Ant & Dec during a live takeaway.

Mamma Dee?

If you have an ounce of humanity do not vote this charleton/thief/manipulator to win CBB.

Oh, forget that, just reminded myself who won the "Civilian"

[delta]

The other bushel they are all hiding under at the moment and have seized upon is the " We now realise it's a game"


I have said this from day 1 of BB, LIFE IS A GAME. of which we all take part. All that happens in the BB house is that they go in there with their guard up and for some it takes a few days for it to slip to reveal their real personalities, others a few hours. You are dealing with quantum maths, you cannot influence the outcome, just as in the real world, you can't keep 15 balls up in the air all at once, it will be, what it will be.

What you see when you see people in the BB house is the skills, dodges, happenings and experiences that they have learnt and endured in the outside world brought to play in a more confined space. It's all heightened by the close proximity and the claustrophobic atmosphere and the inability to escape from these people, which for the most, they don't get along with.


Nothing more or nothing less, it's the GAME OF LIFE, played out in a closed environment.

[Tip]

I don't know if Dee just said what she did to be in with the crowd, or if she said it because that's what she feels and believes. If it is what she feels and believes then she has a right to say it.

I find this overdone glorification of Gary, who I find to be a great housemate, a bit too much for me to deal with. I personally don't find him to be such a perfect human being. It's true he may have done a lot more than quite a few others in life - and maybe that's got him somewhere significant - which makes it very strange that he'd be playing the reality show circuit in his latter years.

Maybe it's more like Shakespeare said, that LIFE IS A STAGE.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Tip

I don't know if Dee just said what she did to be in with the crowd, or if she said it because that's what she feels and believes. If it is what she feels and believes then she has a right to say it.

I find this overdone glorification of Gary, who I find to be a great housemate, a bit too much for me to deal with. I personally don't find him to be such a perfect human being. It's true he may have done a lot more than quite a few others in life - and maybe that's got him somewhere significant - which makes it very strange that he'd be playing the reality show circuit in his latter years.

Maybe it's more like Shakespeare said, that LIFE IS A STAGE.

..I think for me with Dee and that conversation was just silly things she said which made me feel she was just 'going with the crowd' which disappointed me because I have liked her so far...but it was just silly to say Gary had stormed off to the DR after being chosen for the scrapheap and it wasn't anything personal..of course it was personal, Leslie was asked to choose the least entertaining and other housemates were offering to be chosen because of Gary's age/health etc but Leslie just ignored them and chose Gary anyway because of their past differences/that's personal...also Kellie made much more of a fuss or an equal fuss in a different way..?...and Dee has nothing bad to say about her because they seem to have formed a bond..so she's not showing any tolerance to Gary....

..she also sais something like...'we all get on and like each other..'...really, are you in the same show that we're watching Dee.....the conflicts have been quite monumental...

[Tip]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think for me with Dee and that conversation was just silly things she said which made me feel she was just 'going with the crowd' which disappointed me because I have liked her so far...but it was just silly to say Gary had stormed off to the DR after being chosen for the scrapheap and it wasn't anything personal..of course it was personal, Leslie was asked to choose the least entertaining and other housemates were offering to be chosen because of Gary's age/health etc but Leslie just ignored them and chose Gary anyway because of their past differences/that's personal...also Kellie made much more of a fuss or an equal fuss in a different way..?...and Dee has nothing bad to say about her because they seem to have formed a bond..so she's not showing any tolerance to Gary....

..she also sais something like...'we all get on and like each other..'...really, are you in the same show that we're watching Dee.....the conflicts have been quite monumental...

Yeah, I wouldn't say that Dee was talking perfect sense. In that kind of confrontational situation with Gary I'm not surprised that she came out with some nonsense.

I can't decide one way or another regarding whether she has just adopted a group attitude or if it's her individual attitude genuinely.

I can understand Gary wanting to "put her straight" if he thought her opinion was wrong - but I can't imagine why he'd think he would be able to alter opinions by confrontation.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Tip

Yeah, I wouldn't say that Dee was talking perfect sense. In that kind of confrontational situation with Gary I'm not surprised that she came out with some nonsense.

I can't decide one way or another regarding whether she has just adopted a group attitude or if it's her individual attitude genuinely.

I can understand Gary wanting to "put her straight" if he thought her opinion was wrong - but I can't imagine why he'd think he would be able to alter opinions by confrontation.

..I think the thing for me with many of these conversations with Gary is not so much that I can't see why others often get frustrated/irritated etc with him...it's more that I think other housemates show him zero tolerance whereas I think they would do for others, it's kind of got a bit extreme and because of that, they kind of lose validity in what they say...for me anyway...they just don't show him tolerance because they don't like him, so even if he had a point or was right about anything, I don't think they would see it...it just starts to become a very uncomfortable 'pack' situation ...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think the thing for me with many of these conversations with Gary is not so much that I can't see why others often get frustrated/irritated etc with him...it's more that I think other housemates show him zero tolerance whereas I think they would do for others, it's kind of got a bit extreme and because of that, they kind of lose validity in what they say...for me anyway...they just don't show him tolerance because they don't like him, so even if he had a point or was right about anything, I don't think they would see it...it just starts to become a very uncomfortable 'pack' situation ...

This is why Gary supporters are becoming so passionate. I think Gary is a little eccentric and he may even be irritating to live with but so are a lot of people. The way he is being treated and dismissed bothers me a lot. Its not about him being perfect, its about them being intolerant and unkind.

I find it pretty disturbing that Stephanie can throw out the comments she is and not get called on it once. Are people so superficial about a pretty face that it is acceptable for her to be rude and cruel but others condemn Gary when he isn't the one calling Stephanie an animal, a pet and telling her he doesn't like her. I am developing a great deal of respect for how Gary is handling himself. I think most of us would be in tears if we had to put up with what he is.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Tip

Yeah, I wouldn't say that Dee was talking perfect sense. In that kind of confrontational situation with Gary I'm not surprised that she came out with some nonsense.

I can't decide one way or another regarding whether she has just adopted a group attitude or if it's her individual attitude genuinely.

I can understand Gary wanting to "put her straight" if he thought her opinion was wrong - but I can't imagine why he'd think he would be able to alter opinions by confrontation.

Ah the thing is though, he is being upfront and not talking about anyone behind their backs. It could have gone better had Dee been able to cope with being on her own in a situation but she was away from her sheep pen.

[Tip]

It's true, if you dislike someone you aren't necessarily going to give their opinions a lot of house room - probably quite a widespread human trait tbh?

To me it's more a query as to why they dislike him - I still haven't quite got what's behind that - apart from the aggravation of having to speak clearly and loudly and be prepared to repeat yourself.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Tip

It's true, if you dislike someone you aren't necessarily going to give their opinions a lot of house room - probably quite a widespread human trait tbh?

To me it's more a query as to why they dislike him - I still haven't quite got what's behind that - apart from the aggravation of having to speak clearly and loudly and be prepared to repeat yourself.

..I think the speaking more clearly etc and repeating themselves is a part of it and what they probably find irritating but I also think that Gary is a different 'type' of person/housemate to the 'norm' of either celebrity or civilian...not in a 'oh I'm a big Hollywood Star' type way.....but just that through his life experiences, he can't be bothered to engage in the smaller stuff that housemates do just I guess because of the type of environment...like the little bitches/groans and gripes etc...you know, when people do that together and commonly agree on things, it's a bond forming of types and I think Gary takes himself off from all of that...I also think he likes to chat about 'deeper' things in general...whereas the others are more thinking in terms of 'the game/show' because they're just more aware in general of BB than he is....

[Tip]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think the speaking more clearly etc and repeating themselves is a part of it and what they probably find irritating but I also think that Gary is a different 'type' of person/housemate to the 'norm' of either celebrity or civilian...not in a 'oh I'm a big Hollywood Star' type way.....but just that through his life experiences, he can't be bothered to engage in the smaller stuff that housemates do just I guess because of the type of environment...like the little bitches/groans and gripes etc...you know, when people do that together and commonly agree on things, it's a bond forming of types and I think Gary takes himself off from all of that...I also think he likes to chat about 'deeper' things in general...whereas the others are more thinking in terms of 'the game/show' because they're just more aware in general of BB than he is....

Perhaps, but I find it hard to think that Gary isn't aware - he's on this reality show circuit for whatever reason - and I don't really think he doesn't know. It could just be a case of dealing with it differently.

Maybe it's true that he isn't that interested in chit chat - it might have been interesting if they'd had a philosopher of some sort in the house too, although I suspect that Gary may not have been interested in that type of discussion either, but I'm easily wrong.

I like Gary as a housemate, but I certainly wouldn't like to be living with him 24/7. It's fine to put yourself out for a while when you find someone "hard work" but you do need time to get away from them. They seemed to make their decisions about him pretty quickly though.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Tip

Perhaps, but I find it hard to think that Gary isn't aware - he's on this reality show circuit for whatever reason - and I don't really think he doesn't know. It could just be a case of dealing with it differently.

Maybe it's true that he isn't that interested in chit chat - it might have been interesting if they'd had a philosopher of some sort in the house too, although I suspect that Gary may not have been interested in that type of discussion either, but I'm easily wrong.

I like Gary as a housemate, but I certainly wouldn't like to be living with him 24/7. It's fine to put yourself out for a while when you find someone "hard work" but you do need time to get away from them. They seemed to make their decisions about him pretty quickly though.

..oh I agree, as much as I like Gary, it would be hard to be around him all of the time and have to repeat yourself etc and explain yourself constantly because he doesn't understand...?..and that's the thing with the BB house, you can't get away and it's all so intensified etc...I think I would like to see more tolerance from some of the slightly older housemates at least rather than zero tolerance which is how it's coming across atm..it's hard though Tip because that balance of tolerance could be there and we're just not being shown it or it could be that they're 'heard Gary's story' and been interested etc but get impatient and annoyed that they feel he brings it up in conversations often which they don't feel is relevant...there is just so much we don't see of the other 23 hours each day and we can only comment on the things we do which may not give anything accurately...I think that's why I can never really dislike housemates either and hate when they're booed because it's all what BB have engineered for them, you know...darn BB.....

[Patricia4]

I think Dee voted for him being least favourite housemate and the most manipulative because he's a easy target she knew the rest of the housemates would laugh and she knew they would stick up for her.There is nothing nice about Dee she is very sly she even ran Leslie down to Kellie so why didn't she vote him.

[poppsywoppsy]

My thoughts were, who is Dee to try and tell Gary anything.

What has she done which is so special that she can advise someone who has had a career stretching over decades, made it through illness and accidents, yet has come through it all, damaged but still functioning.

She has sat on her backside pontificating whilst actually doing nothing at all and living off taxpayers handouts. She is all too quick with her mouth but lacking in actions. By not being at work and having to work in a hierarchy, she speaks as if her contributions to society are as equal as those who have worked all their lives and earned that right.

She may be a warm caring person, couldn't we all be in her situation, of course we could but when it comes to her telling others what they can and cannot do, she should remember that she could do with the same dose of home truths she doles out to others.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

My thoughts were, who is Dee to try and tell Gary anything.

What has she done which is so special that she can advise someone who has had a career stretching over decades, made it through illness and accidents, yet has come through it all, damaged but still functioning.

She has sat on her backside pontificating whilst actually doing nothing at all and living off taxpayers handouts. She is all too quick with her mouth but lacking in actions. By not being at work and having to work in a hierarchy, she speaks as if her contributions to society are as equal as those who have worked all their lives and earned that right.

She may be a warm caring person, couldn't we all be in her situation, of course we could but when it comes to her telling others what they can and cannot do, she should remember that she could do with the same dose of home truths she doles out to others.

SO YOU NEED A JOB TO BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE IN SOCIETY.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

SO YOU NEED A JOB TO BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE IN SOCIETY.

It does help or if everyone did the same as Dee, where do you think we all would be, like it or not, you need money from earnings to keep society fed and watered.

As for Gary, some people say he is manipulative but my point is that when he is able to hear, he responds to it but if he can't hear when several conversations go on all at once, he can be seen trying to work it out. I think he is dreadfully misunderstood and isolated in there.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

It does help or if everyone did the same as Dee, where do you think we all would be, like it or not, you need money from earnings to keep society fed and watered.

As for Gary, some people say he is manipulative but my point is that when he is ables to hear, he responds to it but if he can't hear when several conversations go on all at once, he can be seen trying to work it out. I think he is dreadfully misunderstood and isolated in there.

yes you do need a job to contribute to society. if youre sick or seriously disabled and cat work thats different. but many people who are sick and seriously disabled still do work , in some cases disabled people are better at their jobs than the so called able bodied , or raise funds for charity. look at that legend of a bloke stephen sutton who raise millions for cancer as he himself was dying. it puts into perspective a healthy able bodied person sick on the anus for decades smoking and drinking and doing nothing, free houses, free heating, free water, free prescriptions, free rent, free council taxes, plus tax free income.....living off the fat of the land or rather living off the lifetime of work of others like gary busey

[Ellen]

[QUOTE=the truth;7215587]yes you do need a job to contribute to society. if youre sick or seriously disabled and cat work thats different. but many people who are sick and seriously disabled still do work , in some cases disabled people are better at their jobs than the so called able bodied , or raise funds for charity. look at that legend of a bloke stephen sutton who raise millions for cancer as he himself was dying. it puts into perspective a healthy able bodied person sick on the anus for decades smoking and drinking and doing nothing, l taxesfree houses, free heating, free water, free prescriptions, free rent, free counci, plus tax free income.....living off the fat of the land or rather living off the lifetime of work of others like gary busey[/QUOTE]

This is not true any more. Apart from a certain section anyone who is not working for any reason has to pay their own water,gas,electric,phone bills. They pay part of their council tax and they also pay some of the rent.
They still get free prescriptions & dentistry though.

[mary poppins]

For god sakes the man needs to shut up about himself!! They are probably all sick of listening to him going on about the genius in him and being to the other side..people dont want to listen to that all the time...he's thinks hes superior to the rest of them because of this!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by mary poppins

For god sakes the man needs to shut up about himself!! They are probably all sick of listening to him going on about the genius in him and being to the other side..people dont want to listen to that all the time...he's thinks hes superior to the rest of them because of this!